Motorway 80mph limit back on the agenda !!!!!
Discussion
Wills2 said:
Mr Tidy said:
Exactly - when it was introduced my dad had a 1954 Austin A40 Somerset - with its 1200cc engine it was revving its nuts off the one time it got to 75!
He replaced it in 1967 with a 1964 Hillman Minx 1600cc (still with crossply tyres) and couldn't get that past 85.
If 70 was a realistic limit then it needs to be at least 100 now - but I doubt it will ever increase.
A higher limit is about as likely as a referendum on the EU or a protestant Pope!
Ha! If we were still driving Ford Anglias then they would want the limit to be 30mph! He replaced it in 1967 with a 1964 Hillman Minx 1600cc (still with crossply tyres) and couldn't get that past 85.
If 70 was a realistic limit then it needs to be at least 100 now - but I doubt it will ever increase.
A higher limit is about as likely as a referendum on the EU or a protestant Pope!
I reckon my car could brake from 70mph in half the distance the highway code states of 244ft which was set in a Anglia IIRC.
The advent of smart motorways is a concern they are slowly but surely controlling us but for what reason?
M60 implementation that's ongoing for the next 2+ years is an example of lots of money spent & plenty of misery to achieve little.
DukeDickson said:
Money, control and shouty people (both speed and environment related).
M60 implementation that's ongoing for the next 2+ years is an example of lots of money spent & plenty of misery to achieve little.
You are so right - I use 2 junctions of the M3 at least once a week and it is being converted to a "smart" motorway (about as smart as the Swatch car or a politician) which will apparently take until December 2016! Or it was until the signs disappeared so maybe 2017/2018, or forever most likely!M60 implementation that's ongoing for the next 2+ years is an example of lots of money spent & plenty of misery to achieve little.
Which means 50 mph average cameras while they put up a few signs - f
k me, Wembley stadium nearly got built in that time!
DukeDickson said:
Money, control and shouty people (both speed and environment related).
M60 implementation that's ongoing for the next 2+ years is an example of lots of money spent & plenty of misery to achieve little.
A friend of mine decided to go to the Trafford Centre for the sales after Christmas and spent seven hours on the M60 before managing to get out of the jam and come home. M60 implementation that's ongoing for the next 2+ years is an example of lots of money spent & plenty of misery to achieve little.
Theoretically the smart motorway system will stop waves of traffic slowing and bunching up and will warn of dangers and congestion ahead, therefore making it safer to travel faster than you an on an ordinary motorway should the stretch you're on be clear enough.
Blakewater said:
DukeDickson said:
Money, control and shouty people (both speed and environment related).
M60 implementation that's ongoing for the next 2+ years is an example of lots of money spent & plenty of misery to achieve little.
A friend of mine decided to go to the Trafford Centre for the sales after Christmas and spent seven hours on the M60 before managing to get out of the jam and come home. M60 implementation that's ongoing for the next 2+ years is an example of lots of money spent & plenty of misery to achieve little.
Theoretically the smart motorway system will stop waves of traffic slowing and bunching up and will warn of dangers and congestion ahead, therefore making it safer to travel faster than you an on an ordinary motorway should the stretch you're on be clear enough.
. The problems of that stretch of road are down to piss-poor design and a lack of desire to solve that (e.g. Simister Island and the Eccles/Swinton interchanges). Nigh on 20 miles of 50 limits to protect the precious cones has done two parts of sweet FA to solve any of the issues so far. The Trafford Centre stuff is as much down to the local roads as much as anything else.
robinessex said:
Yes! It's back on the agenda
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/life/motoring/articl...
Go eat that BRAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/life/motoring/articl...
Go eat that BRAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You believe something a politician says
The best possible thing you could hope for is they do nothing as any time they actually do something it goes spectacularly wrong
I'll believe it when I see it.
Thing is, if it got increased to 80, you just know the very first accident after the rise (regardless of cause) will be used by these anti-car (anti-everything it seems) groups to reinforce their blinkered view that speed obviously kills.
Also I remember reading on here last time this came up and someone made a good point by saying they would rather have the current 70 limit but enforced sensibly by real police, than an 80 limit strictly enforced by computers.
Thing is, if it got increased to 80, you just know the very first accident after the rise (regardless of cause) will be used by these anti-car (anti-everything it seems) groups to reinforce their blinkered view that speed obviously kills.
Also I remember reading on here last time this came up and someone made a good point by saying they would rather have the current 70 limit but enforced sensibly by real police, than an 80 limit strictly enforced by computers.
percymk4 said:
I'll believe it when I see it.
^This. In this area a lot of the A-roads have been reduced from NSL to 50pmh for no apparent reason. The motorways with those variable/average speed camera sections always seem to be restricted to 40 - 50 mph regardless of the 'congestion'.
I find it hard to believe they will get the 80mph limit past the 'won't somebody think of the children' brake brigade. Even if they do it will be enforced by variable speed limit cameras meaning for much of the time the real achievable speed will be reduced.
McWigglebum4th said:
robinessex said:
Yes! It's back on the agenda
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/life/motoring/articl...
Go eat that BRAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/life/motoring/articl...
Go eat that BRAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You believe something a politician says
The best possible thing you could hope for is they do nothing as any time they actually do something it goes spectacularly wrong
It's utter crap, the election is looming, and let's face it, it's more likely to drop to 60 than rise to 80, let alone 90.
The problem is, is that the vast majority of mindless morons would still continue to do 65 in the middle lane if the limit was 80/90, meaning there's a higher closing speed for them to pull out in front of you.
The war on the motorist is still raging and they won't be happy until they either remove us from it, or make us all move about at 4mph.
The problem is, is that the vast majority of mindless morons would still continue to do 65 in the middle lane if the limit was 80/90, meaning there's a higher closing speed for them to pull out in front of you.
The war on the motorist is still raging and they won't be happy until they either remove us from it, or make us all move about at 4mph.
That's fine but I'm still going to do 60-70 mph in my car because of fuel economy, noise and the fact that whenever I speed up, I eventually end up having to slow down because everyone else struggles with hills and stuff. What's the point of pressing on when I would still cover the same distance in the same time...
Riding my bike, on the other hand, would be much nicer at 80 mph than 70 mph
Riding my bike, on the other hand, would be much nicer at 80 mph than 70 mph
Edited by thatdude on Monday 26th January 09:04
RobM77 said:
budfox said:
I recall that last time it was on the agenda was just before an election.
The Tories promised they'd raise the motorway speed limit to 80mph if they were voted in. It didn't happen.I predicted, correctly, that we would get the former but the latter would be dropped.
RobM77 said:
The Tories promised they'd raise the motorway speed limit to 80mph if they were voted in. It didn't happen.They promised a review which happened.
I was on the side of keeping the limit to 70mph and allow the police to sensibly enforce, but with all the new smart motorways I would rather have an enforced 80mph limit rather than a 70mph and when the smart motorway stops 90mph will be fine.
Dog Star said:
As I recall it was that we would get a lot of blanket 20mph limits in towns and cities, but that we would also be getting the motorway limit raised.
I predicted, correctly, that we would get the former but the latter would be dropped.
I wasn't aware that there were any cities in the UK with blanket 20 limits? I predicted, correctly, that we would get the former but the latter would be dropped.
Blakewater said:
DukeDickson said:
Money, control and shouty people (both speed and environment related).
M60 implementation that's ongoing for the next 2+ years is an example of lots of money spent & plenty of misery to achieve little.
A friend of mine decided to go to the Trafford Centre for the sales after Christmas and spent seven hours on the M60 before managing to get out of the jam and come home. M60 implementation that's ongoing for the next 2+ years is an example of lots of money spent & plenty of misery to achieve little.
Theoretically the smart motorway system will stop waves of traffic slowing and bunching up and will warn of dangers and congestion ahead, therefore making it safer to travel faster than you an on an ordinary motorway should the stretch you're on be clear enough.
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