RE: Porsche 911 GT3 vs The Track

RE: Porsche 911 GT3 vs The Track

Monday 26th January 2015

Porsche 911 GT3 vs The Track

New GT3 too high tech to be scary? Um, no, as it turns out...



Driving a 911 with scaffolding in the back and a big wing used to come with certain qualifications, like accepting it could make you look like a complete idiot if you didn't master basic things like balancing a hair-trigger throttle against a quad-straining clutch. But, going by the automotive fellatio dished out by cars like the Ferrari 458, the modern supercar buyer doesn't want to be made to look like an idiot.

Squeeze 'em tight and hope for the best
Squeeze 'em tight and hope for the best
Hence the fears PDK and four-wheel steering would dumb down the 991 GT3 and sanitise a model line born to track day paddocks and the car parks of Eifel hostelries. Not the supercar rat runs of Knightsbridge.

Frankly it's a relief to report that this is utter bollocks. Driving a 991 GT3 at pace remains a proper challenge. And like its predecessors it'll readily shatter the egos of those who think outright speed is something you buy rather than earn.

All of this becomes abundantly clear within just a few laps of a sodden Silverstone GP. As one of the more vocal anti-PDK commentators I will now conclude that particular discussion by saying I stick by the emotional argument for a three-pedal GT3. But completely buy the functional, paddle shifted reality.

Great tyres. Just not on a day like this.
Great tyres. Just not on a day like this.
Now, more on how the GT3 made me look like a fool.

Slip sliding away
The Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres are very good and a big step up from the originals. They also have a much wider operating window, one that conceivably includes wet tarmac.

Silverstone GP in the midst of a winter downpour is, however, not wet tarmac. It's basically a lake. As I discover at the Vale chicane, PSM angrily intervening to curtail an ambitious turn-in speed of... less than 30mph. Not exactly the dream I had in mind having secured - in writing, dammit - blessing from Porsche, PH management and the insurance company to be here. A dream rapidly unravelling into a sweaty-palmed nightmare.

In the dry I've no doubt the GT3 would inspire a very different story. But the rain doesn't abate and this is the one you're getting.

This is the least of the concerns, it turns out
This is the least of the concerns, it turns out
Am I to smear this car over the pit wall Porsche GB will have to source a replacement on the open market, 991 GT3s now sold out. And have required our insurers be good for a total loss value of £160,000. For a car with a sticker price of £115,796. Remember all those buyers demanding compensation when their cars were impounded to have new engines fitted?

Run-off means I'm not so scared of going off a corner at Silverstone. No, it's the straights. The ones with pit walls, large amounts of standing water and committed entries and exits. The number nine at the sharp end of the rev counter looks appealing. But even short shifting to half that unleashes savage spits of oversteer and flicked half-turns of correction, even with the PSM fully on. It feels crossing a tightrope over a pond full of hungry piranha fish. While wearing stilettos.

Confidence trick
The last 991 I drove here was a Turbo S. In similar conditions it made the track feel as if it was bone dry. The GT3 couldn't be more different.

Swallow brave pill, MTFU, etc...
Swallow brave pill, MTFU, etc...
Even smooth applications of the brakes have the back end weaving around as the front end skates on. Back off and it threatens a sudden rotation - heads left, tails right. Settle it, finally get it turned in, feed in the power and just as you think you've caught a neat four-wheel slide the rear wheels hit a puddle, the revs flare and the correction you thought was adequate proves anything but. PSM is relaxed enough to open a delightful window between turn-in understeer and power oversteer but it's devilishly narrow and hard to pinpoint in these conditions.

With stability control, four-wheel steering and a fully active locking diff there's a lot of technology supposedly geared towards making the GT3 more exploitable. But the team of GT cars boss Andreas Preuninger hasn't used it that way. Rather they've gone the opposite direction, rear-axle steering able to effectively shorten the wheelbase to make the 991 feel more pointy and aggressive than before, the diff assertively distributing drive torque across the rear axle. Far from being dumbed down it's instead a more complex and demanding car to drive quickly because you have to understand the technology and how to exploit it rather than depend on it as a face-saving safety net. Details matter too - the sports exhaust button improves torque delivery between 3,000-4,000rpm rather than deploy contrived bangs and pops for high street showboating.

Maybe we'll just sit it out for a bit, eh?
Maybe we'll just sit it out for a bit, eh?
There are quirks, like the 'paddle neutral' ability to open the clutches by pulling both shifters together. Porsche says this can "neutralise the driving behaviour of the vehicle when oversteering in a wet curve by pulling the paddles, thus redirecting the additional cornering force to the wheels of the rear axle." If anyone can explain the logic of what seems like dipping the clutch mid-oversteer situation I'd love to hear from you; for all the opportunities to try it my hands and head are too full for experimentation.

Scratch and sniff
There's at least a visceral link to the considerable mechanical mayhem behind you in the GT3, be that the sniffs and sneezes of the induction system, the clunks of clutches opening and closing or the thrilling, piercing shriek that erupts in the final 1,000rpm dash to the 9K redline. At maximum attack PDK shifts with the ferocity of a race sequential too. Sadly this soundtrack also includes the very obvious pinches of brake that prevent tense discussions with underwriters about GT3 market values in relation to listed RRP.

Pointing forwards for a brief moment
Pointing forwards for a brief moment
Interventions when they happen - which is to say frequently - are marked with a nasty sounding graunch of pad biting PCCB disc and a violent correction. It's not smooth, it's not flattering and every time it happens it's another hammer blow to your already fragile confidence.

Eventually I feel a degree of trust forming and think I can second guess where these interventions are going to come. Because there is fabulous feel in the GT3. The mush around the dead ahead in standard 991 steering systems has gone, the crisp springiness to the weighting and total lack of hesitation in response feeling near as dammit to the old 997's hydraulic system. Clamped low to the floor in carbon seats the sense of lateral slip comes straight through your hips and palms, making a connection with the car far more intimate.

This happens at all of 20mph in these conditions
This happens at all of 20mph in these conditions
My finger hovers over the ESC off button. Oh what the hell. Tentatively peeling onto the Wellington Straight I immediately have the most gigantic tank slapper, proving conclusively quite how much the electronics have been making up for the talent vacuum. Damn.

I turn it back on and do a couple more laps.

MTFU
After a deep breath I press it again, ignoring the fact a real man would go all the way and press the second button that turns traction control off too. Those walls haven't got any further away though. The low speed corners remain a frustrating muddle of understeered entry but at least the collection on the way out is all my own work and, dare I say it, smoother.

Sneaking 9K in fourth up Hanger Straight I glimpse a very big three-figure number before hitting the brakes, the back end swinging and pitching the car into a sustained slide requiring a quarter turn of corrective lock. Mercifully it's gone the right way and the nose is now pointing into the apex of Stowe and as I tentatively pick up the throttle the lock unwinds and we're skating diagonally towards the exit kerbs, wheel dead straight. Forward motion is restored before tyres meet painted surface and there's a little wriggle to the right as the tail slides back the other way and across the gradient. Golly the wall is close at that point.

And the sun sets on a successful day
And the sun sets on a successful day
And then we're back at the Vale chicane, ABS chattering as speed is brought back to the humiliatingly pedestrian pace required to get it to turn in and tip-toe through.

I decide to re-engage the safety nets and am rewarded with an utterly vicious snap of oversteer on a trailing throttle through Club Corner, PSM once again keeping me out of the wall.

Sanitised? Is it heck.

 

GT3 at Silverstone - slithers

GT3 at Silverstone - full lap


PORSCHE 911 GT3 (991)
Engine:
 3,799cc flat-6
Transmission: 7-speed dual-clutch auto (PDK), rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 475@8,250rpm
Torque (lb ft): 325@6,250rpm
0-62mph: 3.5sec
Top speed: 196mph
Weight: 1,430kg (DIN)
MPG: 22.8mpg (NEDC combined)
CO2: 289g/km
Price: £100,540 (£115,796 as tested, comprising Club Sport pack £0, Porsche Composite Brakes £6,248, Bluetooth £558, auto dimming mirrors £372, fixed sports seats £2,258, clear rear lights £344, LED lights with Porsche Dynamic Lighting System £1,926, DAB £324, Porsche Communication Management £2,141 and Sport Chrono pack with 'Track Precision' app £1,085)


Previously on PH ... 991 GT3 archive
Geneva 2013: Porsche 911 GT3 unveiled
PDK or the highway: PH Blog
Porsche 911 GT3timeline
Porsche 997 GT3 farewell blog
Why GT3 is just a trim level: PH Blog
FlamingGT3s - the official line
Flaming GT3s - the owners bite back
Porsche 991 GT3 Chris Harrisvideo
Porsche 991 GT3: Review


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Photos: Anthony Fraser

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Discussion

macky17

Original Poster:

2,212 posts

189 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Sorry, lost concentration after 'automotive fellatio'. What the hell? Is that on the options list?

flyingscot68

241 posts

139 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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I was lucky enough to spend some time in the passenger seat of one of these round Oulton last November.

The pace this car could get round at was very impressive to say the least, amazing grip and stability everywhere.

It was far too fast for it ever to be dull from the pax seat, amazing car.

P4ROT

1,219 posts

193 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Awesome, but still a shame they went for a paddle-shift.

Edit: those wheels are ridiculous as well - way too big.

Edited by P4ROT on Monday 26th January 12:38

DT398

1,745 posts

148 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Michelin Cup tyres rubbish in the wet shocker. I know the Cup 2s are better than the last lot, but wouldn't a set of MPSS have dealt with most of this drama?

WokkaWokka

699 posts

139 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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That looked like great fun!

drakart

1,735 posts

210 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Having driven in those conditions at Silverstone in the GT3, I fully understand everything you have written/experienced! The only difference being that for some reason, ours came from the factory on Dunlop Sport Maxx Race tyres.

It doesn't take prisoners and I fully agree that it's the straights that are dangerous. I find the 3rd to 4th gear change at 105mph usually provokes oversteer/wheelspin if the ground is so much as damp.

I was a die hard manual 'box fan, but now I prefer the pdk to manual on the track. I must admit that I now drive it with all the aids off as I find it much easier due to no unwanted assistance occurring when I don't want it.

JDMDrifter

4,041 posts

165 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Looks like great fun in the wet!

juansolo

3,012 posts

278 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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...and yet I still have no interest in one or any other electronic wonder car. Maybe I'm getting old...?

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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"It's the straights that you have to watch out for"

Sounds wrong but is spot on.

If I only I'd known this before testing my M3 on worn Toyo 888's in the wet...

Matt UK

17,696 posts

200 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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You did well to save it in that first video hehe

BoyRacerChaser

54 posts

196 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Looks lairy as hell. Good fun though!

Still want one, that noise in the final 1000 revs is sublime. Who needs a rev counter?

Wkotuning

44 posts

155 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Nice save clap

The Pits

4,289 posts

240 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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What would have been really interesting would be to read about the steering feel, or lack of, in wet conditions. A perfect opportunity to assess the new electric steering but all we got was that it's better than a regular 991.

I drove a new GT3 around Spa and was shocked how lifeless the steering was after all I had read. You can keep PDK too.

It begs the question: which was the real issue at Silverstone? Lack of grip or lack of communication?

Robert Elise

956 posts

145 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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it was very wet when i was at Silverstone on a Caterham circuit day. Participants, all keen amateurs, had real difficulty. Instructor, maybe soothing our dented egos, suggested that a wet Silverstone is far worse than a wet public road, and other tracks too. The oils come to the surface with the new tarmac and make it particularly slippery. It felt more treacherous than other tracks, though i'm not experienced in Caterhams in the wet elsewhere. Anyone have views?

V8KSN

4,711 posts

184 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Anthony Fraser said:
If anyone can explain the logic of what seems like dipping the clutch mid-oversteer situation I'd love to hear from you
Would it not help to dip the clutch (in this case pull both paddles) to limit any damage to the engine if you find yourself suddenly going backwards at speed?

Fishy Dave

1,026 posts

245 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Robert Elise said:
it was very wet when i was at Silverstone on a Caterham circuit day. Participants, all keen amateurs, had real difficulty. Instructor, maybe soothing our dented egos, suggested that a wet Silverstone is far worse than a wet public road, and other tracks too. The oils come to the surface with the new tarmac and make it particularly slippery. It felt more treacherous than other tracks, though i'm not experienced in Caterhams in the wet elsewhere. Anyone have views?
I find Silverfence one of this countries most slippery circuits in the wet (right up there with Rockingham), but grip off line isn't too bad.

iloveboost

1,531 posts

162 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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This video reminds me of hitting three patches of black ice, some snow, and driving on some roads covered in white frost. redface
I guess aquaplaning is an even bigger problem on those 'Cup' tyres, than it would otherwise be. Any track day tyre isn't designed for wet weather.




Edited by iloveboost on Tuesday 27th January 14:41

The Pits

4,289 posts

240 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Slippery stone is bad but no-where is as tricky as Donington in the wet!

The rumours of it being down to jet fuel from nearby East Midlands Airport are entirely believable.

Pirelli P-Zero Trofeos are surprisingly good in the wet but when it gets torrential they are hopeless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5OAeDzU7Ls



Edited by The Pits on Monday 26th January 17:03

red997

1,304 posts

209 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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I've driven a few GT3s around Silverstone including a 997 cup car - all in the wet
yes, it is very slippery
the wet line is very different to the dry line - mainly due to the rubber / oil on the dry line making it interesting if you try and stick to the dry line in the wet
I've had many a four wheel drift around Stowe as the track was getting wetter... any I was still on the dry line

thegreenhell

15,320 posts

219 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Dan Trent said:
...and the car parks of Eiffel hostelries.
Would that be the Eiffel Tower, or did you mean the Eifel (one 'f') region of Germany?