Lowering a car... Genuine intrigue

[vx220]

I wonder if the driver was watching the OP thinking "glad I'm not voluntarily shortening my life by smoking despite years of health warnings"

Each to his own. Yes, he's limited the albilities of his car, but your limiting the abilities of your body.

Who's right and who's wrong?

[swisstoni]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Mr Ben said:

just how do people live with a vehicle like this?

when you join the scene you are held down and have your skull repeatedly smashed with house bricks, after about an hour the resultant soup slopping about inside your head thinks this is a good look, et voilà your in!

There are religions that do that when you leave.

Edited by swisstoni on Monday 26th January 15:37

[budfox]

People do this because they want the world to know they are a moron but they don't have the intellectual capacity to write it on their car with a spray can.

[vx220]

budfox said:

People do this because they want the world to know they are a moron but they don't have the intellectual capacity to write it on their car with a spray can.

Smoking?

[StottyEvo]

A pal of mine lowered his Ibiza FR on cheap coilovers, he took the helper springs out too to make it have "ultimate lows" or something like that. Its ruined and terrible, he's owned about 2yrs now and has matured a bit in this time. Even he hates it now

That will be on air-ride, when he gets in the car he'll press a button and it will self level to the drive height. The ride will be very nice as air is very good at absorbing bumps. It won't be very stable during high speed cornering though.

[balls-out]

AW111 said:

It could be an air suspension system that settles to full droop when parked, like the Citroen DS (although that was hydraulic).
In which case the ride height can be whatever the system is set to, or whatever the driver wants (although probably pretty low, from the lack of stupid camber at that height).

The Citroen DS suspension was Hydropneumatic or possibly oléopneumatique - sorry, but these things matter (to me at least).

[Streetrod]

budfox said:

People do this because they want the world to know they are a moron but they don't have the intellectual capacity to write it on their car with a spray can.

Is this person also a moron? The nature of the Macs hydraulic suspension allows this to be done without any detrimental effects on the quality of the ride. Also the lift system still works in the normal way

[robinessex]

OK. Here goes. It's pretty well general that the majority of cars have an increase in negative camber bump. Therefore, if you just lower the standard suspension, you will be driving most of the time with this increased negative camber, and it's most likely going to completely bugger up the straight line tracking ability of the car, tramlining like crazy. Anyone who added a bit of negative camber to their track car will probably have experienced this on the road. If you must lower your car, then you generaly need to replace one of the suspension arms to restore the camber back to the designed value.

[Devil2575]

vx220 said:

I wonder if the driver was watching the OP thinking "glad I'm not voluntarily shortening my life by smoking despite years of health warnings"

Each to his own. Yes, he's limited the albilities of his car, but your limiting the abilities of your body.

Who's right and who's wrong?

Well said.

[whysub]

I'd love this on my T5 at the moment=a knee problem means its difficult to get in mine at the moment without something (like a milk crate) to step on first.

[Europa1]

balls-out said:

AW111 said:

It could be an air suspension system that settles to full droop when parked, like the Citroen DS (although that was hydraulic).
In which case the ride height can be whatever the system is set to, or whatever the driver wants (although probably pretty low, from the lack of stupid camber at that height).

The Citroen DS suspension was Hydropneumatic or possibly oléopneumatique - sorry, but these things matter (to me at least).

I remember seeing a very surreal short film explaining the Citroen DS suspension - it was an animation, involving, if I recall, a fish and a balloon, and some trippy music. It was Gallic, Citroen weirdness at its best.

[MrBarry123]

StottyEvo said:

That will be on air-ride, when he gets in the car he'll press a button and it will self level to the drive height. The ride will be very nice as air is very good at absorbing bumps. It won't be very stable during high speed cornering though.

Bang on.

I think the term for those in the know is "bagged".

[balls-out]

Europa1 said:

I remember seeing a very surreal short film explaining the Citroen DS suspension - it was an animation, involving, if I recall, a fish and a balloon, and some trippy music. It was Gallic, Citroen weirdness at its best.

this one?

http://youtu.be/169cV--FtCA

[remkingston]

MrBarry123 said:

StottyEvo said:

That will be on air-ride, when he gets in the car he'll press a button and it will self level to the drive height. The ride will be very nice as air is very good at absorbing bumps. It won't be very stable during high speed cornering though.

Bang on.

I think the term for those in the know is "bagged".

I thought "bagged" was a term for when someone has done a load of heroin or cocaine or something?

[Europa1]

balls-out said:

Europa1 said:

I remember seeing a very surreal short film explaining the Citroen DS suspension - it was an animation, involving, if I recall, a fish and a balloon, and some trippy music. It was Gallic, Citroen weirdness at its best.

this one?

http://youtu.be/169cV--FtCA

That's the one! Thanks

[Digitalize]

I can't find the video, and it was on Instagram as well so a pain to show on here, but it's on hydraulics.

Airride - Excellent, with the right equipment it's better than any standard suspension for comfort, and with preload, camber and dampening adjustability, as well as stiffness control from the level of inflation of the bag, matches a high quality coilover for performance.

Hydros - Much quicker to operate, usually a larger range of movement, stiffer, still uses a conventional spring, just it's mounted in a spring box rather than on the damper. Cheaper as far as I'm aware. No ride/performance benefits.

[StottyEvo]

remkingston said:

MrBarry123 said:

StottyEvo said:

That will be on air-ride, when he gets in the car he'll press a button and it will self level to the drive height. The ride will be very nice as air is very good at absorbing bumps. It won't be very stable during high speed cornering though.

Bang on.

I think the term for those in the know is "bagged".

I thought "bagged" was a term for when someone has done a load of heroin or cocaine or something?

That's so 90s

[balls-out]

Digitalize said:

I can't find the video, and it was on Instagram as well so a pain to show on here, but it's on hydraulics.

Airride - Excellent, with the right equipment it's better than any standard suspension for comfort, and with preload, camber and dampening adjustability, as well as stiffness control from the level of inflation of the bag, matches a high quality coilover for performance.

Hydros - .....

Does Airride allow camber adjustability? that interesting (if correct)

[Digitalize]

balls-out said:

Does Airride allow camber adjustability? that interesting (if correct)

Not the bag itself, but the highend kits come with camber adjustable top mounts if possible usually. It's a pretty key part of setting it up correctly. Also has the plus side of being able to adjust for weight, so the car is always sitting correctly as it was tracked.

[StottyEvo]

balls-out said:

Does Airride allow camber adjustability? that interesting (if correct)

Imagine a coilover but with a bag in place of the spring. The bag is like a large doughnut and the strut/shocker runs through the middle. I believe most air-ride is now camber adjustable, the stuff I've messed with certainly is. I used to have to put maximum negative camber on a car when putting the show wheels on so the wing would rest on the allow when it was "aired out"

It was once "aired out" without the camber being adjusted and the tyre bent the wing