Ford Mondeo TDCi 6 speed Dual Mass Flywheel
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My 2005 Ford Mondeo TDCi has just started to make a noise, like a tinkling, when starting. The garage tells me that this is likely to be the DMF.
I have had the car from 37,000 miles, now done 160,000, is this likely, I assume it would also be worth changing the clutch at the same time? Still on the original so I suppose it has done very well.
I have had the car from 37,000 miles, now done 160,000, is this likely, I assume it would also be worth changing the clutch at the same time? Still on the original so I suppose it has done very well.
Yes. While in there I would have the clutch done and if theres anything else in there whichcold be renwed aswell. I don't know about the Fords but if theres a slave cylinder mounted in there I would get it done for example. Also maybe renew the gearbox oil too?
How have you found the TCDi by the way? Might be looking for a newer daily drive.
How have you found the TCDi by the way? Might be looking for a newer daily drive.
The TDCi has been an excellent car. I have owned it for 7 years and this is the first major thing that has gone wrong in the 130,000 miles I have done in it.
It is the 6 six speed and generally averages 50MPG. My daughter borrowed it a few months ago and did 450-475 motorway miles, she got 56.4MPG.
It is the 6 six speed and generally averages 50MPG. My daughter borrowed it a few months ago and did 450-475 motorway miles, she got 56.4MPG.
DMF flywheel a robust and effective piece of kit when the car is driven properly shocker! Everyone on the internet knows they all go pop every 30,000 miles and you have to cut off a toe every time you change one.
Joking aside the flywheel itself will probably be £300 - £400 but you would have been taking on the labour cost of a clutch change at around that mileage even without it. Usually costs about a grand to get it all done, including the concentric slave cylinder if your car has one.
Joking aside the flywheel itself will probably be £300 - £400 but you would have been taking on the labour cost of a clutch change at around that mileage even without it. Usually costs about a grand to get it all done, including the concentric slave cylinder if your car has one.
dme123 said:
DMF flywheel a robust and effective piece of kit when the car is driven properly shocker! Everyone on the internet knows they all go pop every 30,000 miles and you have to cut off a toe every time you change one.
Joking aside the flywheel itself will probably be £300 - £400 but you would have been taking on the labour cost of a clutch change at around that mileage even without it. Usually costs about a grand to get it all done, including the concentric slave cylinder if your car has one.
It shouldn't cost £1000 at all. Joking aside the flywheel itself will probably be £300 - £400 but you would have been taking on the labour cost of a clutch change at around that mileage even without it. Usually costs about a grand to get it all done, including the concentric slave cylinder if your car has one.
I had my Clutch, DMF and concentric slave cylinder done 2 months ago at a transmissions specialists for £580, and bearing in mind my Grande Punto is the only one with a DMF, and it took 2 days to get hold of one, I don't think it's too bad at all.
R2T2 said:
It shouldn't cost £1000 at all.
I had my Clutch, DMF and concentric slave cylinder done 2 months ago at a transmissions specialists for £580, and bearing in mind my Grande Punto is the only one with a DMF, and it took 2 days to get hold of one, I don't think it's too bad at all.
That is not so bad, I really like the car. I was going to stick with a DMF rather than a single mass flywheel on the basis that this should see out the car if I get another 160,000 out of it. Good point abut the slave cylinderI had my Clutch, DMF and concentric slave cylinder done 2 months ago at a transmissions specialists for £580, and bearing in mind my Grande Punto is the only one with a DMF, and it took 2 days to get hold of one, I don't think it's too bad at all.
Davidandall said:
The TDCi has been an excellent car. I have owned it for 7 years and this is the first major thing that has gone wrong in the 130,000 miles I have done in it.
It is the 6 six speed and generally averages 50MPG. My daughter borrowed it a few months ago and did 450-475 motorway miles, she got 56.4MPG.
Thanks, I caught my self looking at one of the st TDCI estates the other day and quite liking it.It is the 6 six speed and generally averages 50MPG. My daughter borrowed it a few months ago and did 450-475 motorway miles, she got 56.4MPG.
R2T2 said:
dme123 said:
DMF flywheel a robust and effective piece of kit when the car is driven properly shocker! Everyone on the internet knows they all go pop every 30,000 miles and you have to cut off a toe every time you change one.
Joking aside the flywheel itself will probably be £300 - £400 but you would have been taking on the labour cost of a clutch change at around that mileage even without it. Usually costs about a grand to get it all done, including the concentric slave cylinder if your car has one.
It shouldn't cost £1000 at all. Joking aside the flywheel itself will probably be £300 - £400 but you would have been taking on the labour cost of a clutch change at around that mileage even without it. Usually costs about a grand to get it all done, including the concentric slave cylinder if your car has one.
I had my Clutch, DMF and concentric slave cylinder done 2 months ago at a transmissions specialists for £580, and bearing in mind my Grande Punto is the only one with a DMF, and it took 2 days to get hold of one, I don't think it's too bad at all.
dme123 said:
Parts must be very cheap then, just the flywheel, clutch and CSC cost close to that for my Volvo C70.
Or he used cheap motor-factor parts. Should be about £350 - £400 for good quality parts for the Mondeo - same as the focus, then if like the focus you've got to drop the gearbox (wouldn't surprise me) in a main dealer or premium independent, £1k isnt far off the mark. Matthen said:
Or he used cheap motor-factor parts. Should be about £350 - £400 for good quality parts for the Mondeo - same as the focus, then if like the focus you've got to drop the gearbox (wouldn't surprise me) in a main dealer or premium independent, £1k isnt far off the mark.
Used LUK parts.R2T2 said:
Matthen said:
Or he used cheap motor-factor parts. Should be about £350 - £400 for good quality parts for the Mondeo - same as the focus, then if like the focus you've got to drop the gearbox (wouldn't surprise me) in a main dealer or premium independent, £1k isnt far off the mark.
Used LUK parts.
Although you are well overdue a DMF, the symptoms may well be the damped bottom pulley, which gets a rattle noticeable on start up and turn off too. You hear it low down on the UK drivers side of the motor.
But if may be a DMF. DMF failure is often preceded by a starter motor failure, the starter motor being contaminated by a horrible black dust, that is actually caused by the DMF begining to fail. So if you have needed a starter recently, and when removed it was covered in lots of black dust and I mean loads!) well the dust is why it failed and the DMF is going to go soon.
howrver, if you've had no starter issues, and no obvious black dust issues, it may well be the bottom pulley squeeking and rattling. Still not cheap, but cheaper than a DMF / Clutch.
BTW, if you do need a DMF, just change the DMF to another well made or recon one (LUK are good). I tried a replaced solid flywheel and it made a mondeao diesel 130 I had very juddery to drive and just not "nice". There is a readon they developed the DMF s for diesels...
But if may be a DMF. DMF failure is often preceded by a starter motor failure, the starter motor being contaminated by a horrible black dust, that is actually caused by the DMF begining to fail. So if you have needed a starter recently, and when removed it was covered in lots of black dust and I mean loads!) well the dust is why it failed and the DMF is going to go soon.
howrver, if you've had no starter issues, and no obvious black dust issues, it may well be the bottom pulley squeeking and rattling. Still not cheap, but cheaper than a DMF / Clutch.
BTW, if you do need a DMF, just change the DMF to another well made or recon one (LUK are good). I tried a replaced solid flywheel and it made a mondeao diesel 130 I had very juddery to drive and just not "nice". There is a readon they developed the DMF s for diesels...
R2T2 said:
dme123 said:
It appears parts are cheaper than for a Mondeo and perhaps it doesn't take as long. Or your guy did it at a loss I suppose.
I doubt they did it as a loss, but probably is, smaller car, smaller diameter and less torque running through it maybe.Clutch was around £400 from our local parts supplier. The Flywheel was a dealer only part (at the time) and was £1200.
R2T2 said:
jhfozzy said:
A while ago, 2010-ish, we had a Mitsubishi Shogun 3.2Di-D in for a clutch and flywheel.
Clutch was around £400 from our local parts supplier. The Flywheel was a dealer only part (at the time) and was £1200.
Clutch was around £400 from our local parts supplier. The Flywheel was a dealer only part (at the time) and was £1200.
Mine is 6 years old, so development's made it cheaper?
Edited by jhfozzy on Tuesday 27th January 14:40
s3fella said:
Although you are well overdue a DMF, the symptoms may well be the damped bottom pulley, which gets a rattle noticeable on start up and turn off too. You hear it low down on the UK drivers side of the motor.
But if may be a DMF. DMF failure is often preceded by a starter motor failure, the starter motor being contaminated by a horrible black dust, that is actually caused by the DMF begining to fail. So if you have needed a starter recently, and when removed it was covered in lots of black dust and I mean loads!) well the dust is why it failed and the DMF is going to go soon.
howrver, if you've had no starter issues, and no obvious black dust issues, it may well be the bottom pulley squeeking and rattling. Still not cheap, but cheaper than a DMF / Clutch.
BTW, if you do need a DMF, just change the DMF to another well made or recon one (LUK are good). I tried a replaced solid flywheel and it made a mondeao diesel 130 I had very juddery to drive and just not "nice". There is a readon they developed the DMF s for diesels...
But if may be a DMF. DMF failure is often preceded by a starter motor failure, the starter motor being contaminated by a horrible black dust, that is actually caused by the DMF begining to fail. So if you have needed a starter recently, and when removed it was covered in lots of black dust and I mean loads!) well the dust is why it failed and the DMF is going to go soon.
howrver, if you've had no starter issues, and no obvious black dust issues, it may well be the bottom pulley squeeking and rattling. Still not cheap, but cheaper than a DMF / Clutch.
BTW, if you do need a DMF, just change the DMF to another well made or recon one (LUK are good). I tried a replaced solid flywheel and it made a mondeao diesel 130 I had very juddery to drive and just not "nice". There is a readon they developed the DMF s for diesels...
Thank you for your comments, the starter is still original with no issues. I will get them to check the bottom pulley before committing to a new DMF. I was going to stick with a DMF as that is what it is meant to have and I am sure Ford would have used a solid flywheel if they could get away with it.
I will let you know when I get a quote
jhfozzy said:
being a diesel, and a 3.2, and turbocharged it'll need to be stronger than mine.Mine only has 155lb-ft, whereas the Mitsu probably has twice that, if not more.
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