Luck b*********
Discussion
jonby said:
the only bit of your post that I agree with is that you 'don't get it'
As it happens, I'm more a fan of the outgoing hypercars (zonda, F40, F50, Carrera gt) than the new breed of hybrids but these cars are far from undriveable
In fact on one of my European jaunts last year, one of the guys brought his F40 (he has quite a few cars, including a 918 on order). The F40 was close to undriveable - no air con, hard work to drive, has to stop every hour or 2 to cool down. He'll never sell it mind you because of it's character, but it's bl**dy hard work. These new hybrid hypercars are the very opposite of undriveable.
yes, not great for driving round a city because of width, visibility, potholes, parking, etc but then again, neither are most sports cars in the £100k+ price range. That's why people with sports cars often have DDs.
But if you are wealthy enough that you aren't paranoid about the car's value, a Porsche 918 is no less practical than my v12 vantage roadster and in turn, no less driveable than say a 50k Lotus Exige. In fact arguable the Exige is less driveable as it has less space and poorer visibility
Fewer places to explore the limits of the car ? Well yes, but you can still push hard on country roads, alpine passes and such like and get thorough enjoyment out of the car. The makers have dumbed down the ability needed to drive the likes of these cars, veyrons and such like to the point almost anyone can get in and drive them. These specific cars may not float your boat but to make the comments you do............well as you put it yourself, you just don't get it
I think we are using "undrivable" in different senses. I have no doubt that they are pretty easy to drive, but that, if anything, makes them even less appealing to me. But if the vast bulk of the car's ability is inaccessible on a public road, you are not "driving" it properly in the sense that it may as not have the power, grip, etc, because you cannot use it. As it happens, I'm more a fan of the outgoing hypercars (zonda, F40, F50, Carrera gt) than the new breed of hybrids but these cars are far from undriveable
In fact on one of my European jaunts last year, one of the guys brought his F40 (he has quite a few cars, including a 918 on order). The F40 was close to undriveable - no air con, hard work to drive, has to stop every hour or 2 to cool down. He'll never sell it mind you because of it's character, but it's bl**dy hard work. These new hybrid hypercars are the very opposite of undriveable.
yes, not great for driving round a city because of width, visibility, potholes, parking, etc but then again, neither are most sports cars in the £100k+ price range. That's why people with sports cars often have DDs.
But if you are wealthy enough that you aren't paranoid about the car's value, a Porsche 918 is no less practical than my v12 vantage roadster and in turn, no less driveable than say a 50k Lotus Exige. In fact arguable the Exige is less driveable as it has less space and poorer visibility
Fewer places to explore the limits of the car ? Well yes, but you can still push hard on country roads, alpine passes and such like and get thorough enjoyment out of the car. The makers have dumbed down the ability needed to drive the likes of these cars, veyrons and such like to the point almost anyone can get in and drive them. These specific cars may not float your boat but to make the comments you do............well as you put it yourself, you just don't get it
You cannot drive these kind of cars at anything like full throttle at pretty much any of the time on the road, so you may as well be driving a much less powerful car that would, in fact, be more enjoyable to drive because it would be closer to its grip limits and you could rev it out a bit more. How long would it take to get from 40mph to 120mph in the 918, for example? I doubt it is much more time that it takes to say "Wow", lift off and then say "There goes my licence".
The Lotus is a good example of how a much less powerful and less showy car would be a lot more fun on pretty much any given road (once you have stopped wetting your own knickers about how expensive the 918 is). There are plenty of threads on here about how many modern sports cars are too fast and too grippy to much fun on public roads - see the comparisons between the 991 and the 993, for example, or the current M3 and the M3s from the 1990s. As I see it, the hypercar market is the very extreme end of that trend away from accessible limits and towards speed for the sake of speed.
I should add that I think it's great that this guy has got all 3 of his dream cars in one go, and I hope he really enjoys them. But I cannot see how much of that enjoyment can be derived from actually driving them on public roads.
ORD said:
I think we are using "undrivable" in different senses. I have no doubt that they are pretty easy to drive, but that, if anything, makes them even less appealing to me. But if the vast bulk of the car's ability is inaccessible on a public road, you are not "driving" it properly in the sense that it may as not have the power, grip, etc, because you cannot use it.
You cannot drive these kind of cars at anything like full throttle at pretty much any of the time on the road, so you may as well be driving a much less powerful car that would, in fact, be more enjoyable to drive because it would be closer to its grip limits and you could rev it out a bit more. How long would it take to get from 40mph to 120mph in the 918, for example? I doubt it is much more time that it takes to say "Wow", lift off and then say "There goes my licence".
The Lotus is a good example of how a much less powerful and less showy car would be a lot more fun on pretty much any given road (once you have stopped wetting your own knickers about how expensive the 918 is). There are plenty of threads on here about how many modern sports cars are too fast and too grippy to much fun on public roads - see the comparisons between the 991 and the 993, for example, or the current M3 and the M3s from the 1990s. As I see it, the hypercar market is the very extreme end of that trend away from accessible limits and towards speed for the sake of speed.
I should add that I think it's great that this guy has got all 3 of his dream cars in one go, and I hope he really enjoys them. But I cannot see how much of that enjoyment can be derived from actually driving them on public roads.
I see what you're trying to say but who's to say he uses them to drive around town in? You cannot drive these kind of cars at anything like full throttle at pretty much any of the time on the road, so you may as well be driving a much less powerful car that would, in fact, be more enjoyable to drive because it would be closer to its grip limits and you could rev it out a bit more. How long would it take to get from 40mph to 120mph in the 918, for example? I doubt it is much more time that it takes to say "Wow", lift off and then say "There goes my licence".
The Lotus is a good example of how a much less powerful and less showy car would be a lot more fun on pretty much any given road (once you have stopped wetting your own knickers about how expensive the 918 is). There are plenty of threads on here about how many modern sports cars are too fast and too grippy to much fun on public roads - see the comparisons between the 991 and the 993, for example, or the current M3 and the M3s from the 1990s. As I see it, the hypercar market is the very extreme end of that trend away from accessible limits and towards speed for the sake of speed.
I should add that I think it's great that this guy has got all 3 of his dream cars in one go, and I hope he really enjoys them. But I cannot see how much of that enjoyment can be derived from actually driving them on public roads.
If I was that wealthy I'd certainly make the most of these cars and take them on track, or abroad etc or basically take them to places where I could make the most of them.
Also some people simply want them for a collection, and there's nothing wrong with that.
But I think some people are trying to apply owning those cars in their current life, i.e with it parked outside their semi detached house and driving to tesco or on the m25 in it a few times a week on their commute to work....
pops and bangs said:
I still can't believe people are giving their two pence worth on how a stranger spends his money.
I think some of you are on the wrong website to be honest. If I came into a large sum of money or a lottery win etc I'd certainly treat myself to a car collection.
Ooo don't do that otherwise you'll be ostracised. I think some of you are on the wrong website to be honest. If I came into a large sum of money or a lottery win etc I'd certainly treat myself to a car collection.
pops and bangs said:
I'd haet to think how miserable some of you must be in the real world....
pops and bangs said:
Also some people simply want them for a collection, and there's nothing wrong with that.
But I think some people are trying to apply owning those cars in their current life, i.e with it parked outside their semi detached house and driving to tesco or on the m25 in it a few times a week on their commute to work....
I agree with both points. But I think some people are trying to apply owning those cars in their current life, i.e with it parked outside their semi detached house and driving to tesco or on the m25 in it a few times a week on their commute to work....
I would probably still find it infuriating not being able to pin the throttle except for a few seconds on the Autobahn, but it's different strokes again.
(That said, I just imagined taking an Alpine pass in the dead of night in the 918 and became very slightly aroused...so I may be completely wrong after all
.)ORD said:
I agree with both points.
I would probably still find it infuriating not being able to pin the throttle except for a few seconds on the Autobahn, but it's different strokes again.
(That said, I just imagined taking an Alpine pass in the dead of night in the 918 and became very slightly aroused...so I may be completely wrong after all.)
I agree with you that it would be frustrating to not be able to make the most of it, although if I had 30 million to spend on cars I imagine I'd have enough money to take them on track, or somewhere where I can make the use of them.I would probably still find it infuriating not being able to pin the throttle except for a few seconds on the Autobahn, but it's different strokes again.
(That said, I just imagined taking an Alpine pass in the dead of night in the 918 and became very slightly aroused...so I may be completely wrong after all
.)Although in saying that it's not all about the speed, I like the feeling of the "event", I love getting into a car that feels special even if I'm not using the capabilities of the car.
I'd rather walk up to my supercar and fire that up even if I was then travelling 50 miles on the traffic jam that is the M25, than walk up to my silver 320d.
But as you say though "different strokes".
For me personally as someone that is obsessed with cars I dream of owning a collection of cars that I deem special.
Edited by pops and bangs on Wednesday 28th January 15:55
Europa1 said:
hairyben said:
davamer23 said:
Shrewd investment.
probably, fairly unimaginative spread of cars IMHO.
It's his cash, he can spank it on what he wants.
something a bit too box-ticking for my liking though.
people getting their knickers in a twist over a few less-than-fawning responses - he's happy to have his 5 minutes showing his stuff off to all in the dailymail so whats the problem?
LiamB said:
Don't worry, they're not his. He just sucks off the old men that drives them so he can sit in the passenger seat.
On topic, I bet half the people that are saying the guy is stupid would do EXACTLY the same if they were in the position to. I know I would, that 918 is just lovely
On topic, I bet half the people that are saying the guy is stupid would do EXACTLY the same if they were in the position to. I know I would, that 918 is just lovely
Yep, 918 for me too!
ORD said:
jonby said:
the only bit of your post that I agree with is that you 'don't get it'
As it happens, I'm more a fan of the outgoing hypercars (zonda, F40, F50, Carrera gt) than the new breed of hybrids but these cars are far from undriveable
In fact on one of my European jaunts last year, one of the guys brought his F40 (he has quite a few cars, including a 918 on order). The F40 was close to undriveable - no air con, hard work to drive, has to stop every hour or 2 to cool down. He'll never sell it mind you because of it's character, but it's bl**dy hard work. These new hybrid hypercars are the very opposite of undriveable.
yes, not great for driving round a city because of width, visibility, potholes, parking, etc but then again, neither are most sports cars in the £100k+ price range. That's why people with sports cars often have DDs.
But if you are wealthy enough that you aren't paranoid about the car's value, a Porsche 918 is no less practical than my v12 vantage roadster and in turn, no less driveable than say a 50k Lotus Exige. In fact arguable the Exige is less driveable as it has less space and poorer visibility
Fewer places to explore the limits of the car ? Well yes, but you can still push hard on country roads, alpine passes and such like and get thorough enjoyment out of the car. The makers have dumbed down the ability needed to drive the likes of these cars, veyrons and such like to the point almost anyone can get in and drive them. These specific cars may not float your boat but to make the comments you do............well as you put it yourself, you just don't get it
I think we are using "undrivable" in different senses. I have no doubt that they are pretty easy to drive, but that, if anything, makes them even less appealing to me. But if the vast bulk of the car's ability is inaccessible on a public road, you are not "driving" it properly in the sense that it may as not have the power, grip, etc, because you cannot use it. As it happens, I'm more a fan of the outgoing hypercars (zonda, F40, F50, Carrera gt) than the new breed of hybrids but these cars are far from undriveable
In fact on one of my European jaunts last year, one of the guys brought his F40 (he has quite a few cars, including a 918 on order). The F40 was close to undriveable - no air con, hard work to drive, has to stop every hour or 2 to cool down. He'll never sell it mind you because of it's character, but it's bl**dy hard work. These new hybrid hypercars are the very opposite of undriveable.
yes, not great for driving round a city because of width, visibility, potholes, parking, etc but then again, neither are most sports cars in the £100k+ price range. That's why people with sports cars often have DDs.
But if you are wealthy enough that you aren't paranoid about the car's value, a Porsche 918 is no less practical than my v12 vantage roadster and in turn, no less driveable than say a 50k Lotus Exige. In fact arguable the Exige is less driveable as it has less space and poorer visibility
Fewer places to explore the limits of the car ? Well yes, but you can still push hard on country roads, alpine passes and such like and get thorough enjoyment out of the car. The makers have dumbed down the ability needed to drive the likes of these cars, veyrons and such like to the point almost anyone can get in and drive them. These specific cars may not float your boat but to make the comments you do............well as you put it yourself, you just don't get it
You cannot drive these kind of cars at anything like full throttle at pretty much any of the time on the road, so you may as well be driving a much less powerful car that would, in fact, be more enjoyable to drive because it would be closer to its grip limits and you could rev it out a bit more. How long would it take to get from 40mph to 120mph in the 918, for example? I doubt it is much more time that it takes to say "Wow", lift off and then say "There goes my licence".
The Lotus is a good example of how a much less powerful and less showy car would be a lot more fun on pretty much any given road (once you have stopped wetting your own knickers about how expensive the 918 is). There are plenty of threads on here about how many modern sports cars are too fast and too grippy to much fun on public roads - see the comparisons between the 991 and the 993, for example, or the current M3 and the M3s from the 1990s. As I see it, the hypercar market is the very extreme end of that trend away from accessible limits and towards speed for the sake of speed.
I should add that I think it's great that this guy has got all 3 of his dream cars in one go, and I hope he really enjoys them. But I cannot see how much of that enjoyment can be derived from actually driving them on public roads.
And yes, you can't get close to the limits for a lot of the time. But neither can you in many £100k cars. You can't put your foot flat to the floor, to use your expression, in many lotuses for a significant period of time. But you can, if you go out in search of them, find roads, in addition to racetracks, where you really can enjoy the breadth of abilities a car like the 918 has to offer.
I also don't get the bit about it's cost that you keep referencing ('wetting your knickers about the price'). There are some people who have these kinds of cars to pose in, to make a statement. But that's no different to some owners of much cheaper (but still expensive) cars. To assume all owners of these cars, or specifically in this instance PB, has that kind of attitude, is just plain wrong. You also refer to this by mentioning the lotus is less showy than the porsche. Rightly or wrongly, the language you use, to me, suggests that you are more concerned about the price & image of cars like the 918 than PB is.
The only thing about this I don't get is why he goes running to the press?? The cars, meh whatever, everyone has their choices and these wouldn't be mine but he's happy so be it. What I don't understand is why the need have everyone know it?
He may be the first person to own all 3, maybe not. But it's not through inability on the behalf of others. There are many people who own 1 or 2 of these and they are worth considerably more than this guy, but they just didn't want to. All of these cars were commercially available and are present models so available from anywhere if you are willing to pay over list, proven by the fact he picked up 2 on the same day.
I think most other rich/sup-rich just though that one hybrid-hyper car is much like another and they'd rather have a varied collection. To me it has smatterings of the Arabs who buy cars for the purpose of showing off and not the love of cars. I see them all the time in Knightsbridge curbing alloys and not seeming to care about them.
Buy it, enjoy it, hire a track to thrash them, but why the need to take the press along with you?
He may be the first person to own all 3, maybe not. But it's not through inability on the behalf of others. There are many people who own 1 or 2 of these and they are worth considerably more than this guy, but they just didn't want to. All of these cars were commercially available and are present models so available from anywhere if you are willing to pay over list, proven by the fact he picked up 2 on the same day.
I think most other rich/sup-rich just though that one hybrid-hyper car is much like another and they'd rather have a varied collection. To me it has smatterings of the Arabs who buy cars for the purpose of showing off and not the love of cars. I see them all the time in Knightsbridge curbing alloys and not seeming to care about them.
Buy it, enjoy it, hire a track to thrash them, but why the need to take the press along with you?
The best thing about him is surely the fact that he will be using all three and take them on the track (if his use of of the P1 is anything to go by).
Whether he makes money out of doing this or not he is giving people once in the life time rides and wear & tear for these ain't going to come cheap is it.
Whether he makes money out of doing this or not he is giving people once in the life time rides and wear & tear for these ain't going to come cheap is it.
PorkInsider said:
Wow. Well I guess that's narcissism for you...
You wouldn't be able see where you were going with your head so far up your own arse though.
Had a bad day have we poppet? I've worked hard to be able to enjoy being involved with supercars. I'm far from a narcissist, in fact, I like to keep myself to myself. You wouldn't be able see where you were going with your head so far up your own arse though.
StarmistBlue400 said:
The best thing about him is surely the fact that he will be using all three and take them on the track (if his use of of the P1 is anything to go by).
Whether he makes money out of doing this or not he is giving people once in the life time rides and wear & tear for these ain't going to come cheap is it.
Well if that is the case then you have answered my question. If he has bought all of these for commercial purposes then getting his mug in the Daily Fail is all good promotional for his enterprise. If not then it's narcissism. Whether he makes money out of doing this or not he is giving people once in the life time rides and wear & tear for these ain't going to come cheap is it.
pops and bangs said:
I still can't believe people are giving their two pence worth on how a stranger spends his money.
I think some of you are on the wrong website to be honest. If I came into a large sum of money or a lottery win etc I'd certainly treat myself to a car collection. A collection that would include exotica, something fast and practical, something fun, infact a car for every occasion.
People are here moaning about how unpractical a supercar is etc, it's not as though he's spent every last penny of his on a super car that he has to now use every day. I also don't for one second believe that someone truly into cars would not want a nice car collection where they have a choice of what beautiful supercar to take for a drive on a nice summers day.
If you'd rather drive a common run of the mill german diesel as it meets your needs then that's fine but my god I'd hate to think how miserable some of you must be in the real world....
Well said.I think some of you are on the wrong website to be honest. If I came into a large sum of money or a lottery win etc I'd certainly treat myself to a car collection. A collection that would include exotica, something fast and practical, something fun, infact a car for every occasion.
People are here moaning about how unpractical a supercar is etc, it's not as though he's spent every last penny of his on a super car that he has to now use every day. I also don't for one second believe that someone truly into cars would not want a nice car collection where they have a choice of what beautiful supercar to take for a drive on a nice summers day.
If you'd rather drive a common run of the mill german diesel as it meets your needs then that's fine but my god I'd hate to think how miserable some of you must be in the real world....
Edited by pops and bangs on Wednesday 28th January 15:40
Slow news day perhaps but quite frankly, who cares and good on him. As others have said, it is hardly as though he is going shopping in them. And I am sure he has other cars he can "enjoy on the road".
Some very odd comments from "car enthusiasts" on this thread. The green eyed monster is a wonderful thing.
Some very odd comments from "car enthusiasts" on this thread. The green eyed monster is a wonderful thing.
daveky said:
TTmonkey said:
Badly titled thread.
'Luck b*********'
He didn't win these cars, he worked hard, sold his business, and now is enjoying his wealth.
He's not 'luck'
and he's not a b******** as far as I'm aware - although if he is, so what?
Good on him actually buying dreams.
How do you know he's worked hard? There's plenty of tossers out there who've had a big helping hand being in the family business when there's no way they'd cut it if they had to stand on their own two feet. Of course they don't see it that way and don't like to be reminded of the fact. There are few successful people who've started with jack nothing and not had assistance on the way. Who was it who said the first million is the most difficult and it's easy from there.'Luck b*********'
He didn't win these cars, he worked hard, sold his business, and now is enjoying his wealth.
He's not 'luck'
and he's not a b******** as far as I'm aware - although if he is, so what?
Good on him actually buying dreams.
The cars though, it was be out of this world to be able to own and drive these 3 hyper cars, they are the pinnacle of road going performance cars.
I think the colours for each look awesome, the Porsche suits the white and the Ferrari... it is just out of this world for me, especially in black. I like the P1 but if I had the choice of the 3 it would be my 3rd.
The Ferrari is king in my eyes.
lord trumpton said:
I get irritated with things like this and no; I'm not jealous of him having those cars.
I know it's unrealistic but I just wish the world had a slightly better distribution of wealth. When you have seen some of the things I have seen then it really underlines how unfair life can be for some people who desperately need money to survive.
When I see people with so much it just bugs me, but hey thats life and I guess it will always be like that.
It's like that, and that's the way it is.I know it's unrealistic but I just wish the world had a slightly better distribution of wealth. When you have seen some of the things I have seen then it really underlines how unfair life can be for some people who desperately need money to survive.
When I see people with so much it just bugs me, but hey thats life and I guess it will always be like that.
Alway's has been, always will be, unless you want to live in Communism....
It only bugs you becuase you don't have it, put it this way, if you won the Euromillions would you splach out or distribute all of your new found wealth? I can tell you for a fact I'd blow 90% of it and keep the remainder to live a quiet life (if the partying didn't kill me) when I get older.
ORD said:
StottyEvo said:
Christ this thread makes for depressing reading
Different strokes for different folks. Lots of people, and I am one of them, are car enthusiasts but would not buy any of these 3 cars even if they had infinite money.
I don't see the point in a car that is impossible to rev out in any gear on the road. Nor do I see the point in a 1800kg "sports car" that is as wide as a house and has AWD. If I lived somewhere with huge roads and no speed limits, I would buy a 918, but I don't. I live in a country with very low speed limits and tiny, pothole-covered roads.
I can well imagine spending millions of pounds on cars, but I don't think I would want a hypercar even if they cost about 1/10 of what they do. I would rather have a 991 S than a 918 because it would be more fun to drive, and I would rather have a Singer than all 3 of these cars put together.
Journos rave about hypercars because they are obsessed with numbers and drive on closed roads. Back in the real world, these are heavy, tech-laden monsters that wouldn't serve up much enjoyment at all.
Everybody to their own opinion but come on mate:
"Back in the real world, these are heavy, tech-laden monsters that wouldn't serve up much enjoyment at all."
Heavy? they would be of no enjoyment??
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