Luck b*********

[marcosgt]

TTmonkey said:

mikebradford said:

My favourite is the P1
But im starting to like the styling of the 918s

I've really started liking the Ferrari. Slow start for me, but it seems much more special than first impressions.

Just the silly name really, if it had a 'great' name like the Enzo for example, then it would be a winner.

Maybe the P1 should be renamed the Bruce or the Ron?

I always thought the "Enzo" was a stupid name, but I'll grant you that the Laugherrari (Am I the only one who hears Ricky Gervais saying "Is 'e 'aving a larf?" when I see that name?) is much worse!

M.

[ORD]

Europa1 said:

Sorry, I've missed something - who's using what tax avoidance practices?

OT diversion re the recent(ish) charity single from Geldof.

[Pesty]

like his style.

You can't take it with you,and they probably won't lose anyway.

Well done that man.

Edited by Pesty on Friday 30th January 19:18

[Jaguar steve]

ORD said:

swerni said:

ORD said:

Baryonyx said:

What a top bloke, raising £20,000 from the public's pocket for charity for a chance to be near to his nearly-three million pounds worth of sports cars!

It reminds me a bit of all those celebrities producing a God-awful song for the public to buy so that money could be given to charity

What's your contribution been to the welfare of others?

Must be massive seeing as you're so critical.

Plenty. Thanks for asking.

Certainly a lot more than someone who bangs on about charity while using dubious tax avoidance practices, that's for sure.

Unless you've spent way too much time reading The Guardian you ought to be aware tax avoidance is a perfectly legal and acceptable means of preserving assets and wealth. Everybody should be encouraged to do so whenever possible.

[walm]

Jaguar steve said:

Unless you've spent way too much time reading The Guardian you ought to be aware tax avoidance is a perfectly legal and acceptable means of preserving assets and wealth. Everybody should be encouraged to do so whenever possible.

Rubbish.
Anyone saving in an ISA or a pension should be taken out and shot at dawn.
Frankly if you aren't writing HMRC a check for 50% of your post-tax income, just to help them out a little, then you don't deserve to have your bins emptied.
Next you'll be suggesting that making something and selling it for more than it cost you should be allowed or even encouraged.
If you're not careful we are going to kick you right out of Mother Russia.

[Davey S2]

Jaguar steve said:

Unless you've spent way too much time reading The Guardian you ought to be aware tax avoidance is a perfectly legal and acceptable means of preserving assets and wealth. Everybody should be encouraged to do so whenever possible.

I think you're getting confused between tax avoidance and tax mitigation.

[k-ink]

Good luck to him. Although if I had spent years planning this i'd have made sure all three cars colour matched. They would have looked so much better all in exactly the same shade, rather than off the peg random colours.

First world problems of the highest order.

[Europa1]

Davey S2 said:

Jaguar steve said:

Unless you've spent way too much time reading The Guardian you ought to be aware tax avoidance is a perfectly legal and acceptable means of preserving assets and wealth. Everybody should be encouraged to do so whenever possible.

I think you're getting confused between tax avoidance and tax mitigation.

No, I think you're gettingh confused between tax evasion and tax avoidance.

[ORD]

Europa1 said:

Davey S2 said:

Jaguar steve said:

Unless you've spent way too much time reading The Guardian you ought to be aware tax avoidance is a perfectly legal and acceptable means of preserving assets and wealth. Everybody should be encouraged to do so whenever possible.

I think you're getting confused between tax avoidance and tax mitigation.

No, I think you're gettingh confused between tax evasion and tax avoidance.

Here's the distinction: evasion is illegal (and so presumptively morally blameworthy); avoidance is sometimes lawful and sometimes not and sometimes blameworthy and sometimes not. Using an ISA is neither tax avoidance nor even plausibly blameworthy - it is responding as intended to a government incentive to save.

It is perfectly open to me, you, or anyone to form a view that someone else's tax practices are immoral. If a very high earner pays 5% as an effective tax rate, I regard that as undesirable and morally blameworthy. And I find it galling to be preached at by someone who adopts that kind of practice while telling others to be good and charitable souls.

[Jaguar steve]

Europa1 said:

Davey S2 said:

Jaguar steve said:

Unless you've spent way too much time reading The Guardian you ought to be aware tax avoidance is a perfectly legal and acceptable means of preserving assets and wealth. Everybody should be encouraged to do so whenever possible.

I think you're getting confused between tax avoidance and tax mitigation.

No, I think you're gettingh confused between tax evasion and tax avoidance.

My understanding is it's simply a case of: Evasion - illegal. Avoidance or mitigation - legal.

There is a determined, politicaly motivated and often very badly informed effort in some sections of the media to blurr and distort the clear distinction between the two actions in order to cast aspersions on those whose tax reduction activities they disaprove of. The intention seems to be to tar everybody who's either motivated or wealthy enough to benefit from such - perfectly legal - actions with the same brush as those who choose to break the law by evading their tax obligations alltogether.

Anyway... back O/T

[A4B]

Wow! Some of the comments on this thread are worse than on the daily mail website! Thought everyone here were meant to be car enthuiasts?

I was with Paul last Saturday as he collected the LaF and 918, he's worked bloody hard to own those cars and good on him for spending his cash as im sure we would all do! They will be used as intended like a lot of his other cars...

The LaF is his prize possesion as you have to be invited by Ferrari and has a high level of personalisation, the other two were relatively easy to get hold of. Seeing all three on the road was quite a sight, wherever we went people were asking if it was a TG shoot!

A video featuring him and his Koenigsegg: http://youtu.be/0s-AkKweSZI

If i had to choose.....the 918 for me please

[clarki]

I'll have the Koenisegg please.

Have you watched the vids of just how fast these Koenisegg things really are??!!

I can't help but feel they don't get the recognition they deserve. OK maybe not as technically advanced as the other 3 cars in this thread, but would that really matter when your fairly easily pulling away from them at pretty much any speed in any gear...Hmm, maybe Mr Koenisegg and his customers prefer it that way.

Ferrari is the nicest of the 3 IMO...by miles.

[TIGA84]

Roo said:

Makes it a good colour for the car.

A bit bland IMO they had a couple at the old timer GP back in august in Liquid Silver? - Rohrl pulled up in one and everyones jaw hit the floor - stunning.

[Europa1]

clarki said:

I'll have the Koenisegg please.

Have you watched the vids of just how fast these Koenisegg things really are??!!

I can't help but feel they don't get the recognition they deserve. OK maybe not as technically advanced as the other 3 cars in this thread, but would that really matter when your fairly easily pulling away from them at pretty much any speed in any gear...Hmm, maybe Mr Koenisegg and his customers prefer it that way.

Ferrari is the nicest of the 3 IMO...by miles.

I'd love a Koenigsegg if I had the financial wherewithal. There was a very good "Megafactories" episode on National Geographic channel last weekend, which left me doffing my imaginary cap to Christian von Koenigsegg for his single mindedness in pursuing his vision. To my mind they are a fantastically designed, engineered thing, and in these days when Lamborghinis are perceived as being "too Audi", here is a car that looks stunning, has even cooler doors than a Lambo, and is properly barking and will bite you.

[Wacky Racer]

ORD said:

Stupid way to spend a fairly limited fortune, but it's his money!

What a silly comment.

I'm pretty sure at his age he will have enough money to live better than most for the rest of his life.

Plus, it's not as though he has wasted the money, if, heaven forbid he was down to his last tin of beans he could always flog them.....(and probably make a profit)

[Europa1]

Wacky Racer said:

ORD said:

Stupid way to spend a fairly limited fortune, but it's his money!

What a silly comment.

I'm pretty sure at his age he will have enough money to live better than most for the rest of his life.

Plus, it's not as though he has wasted the money, if, heaven forbid he was down to his last tin of beans he could always flog them.....(and probably make a profit)

Yes, even with interest rates as low as they are, you can still find accounts/financial products that will pay interest. Even if he put 10% of his £28m into an account that paid 2%, that's still way, way over the average annual UK salary.

[northwest monkey]

Thread Said said:

blah blah blah

I'd have the 918.

[ORD]

northwest monkey said:

I'd have the 918.

Me too.

That or a 320d to save on fuel costs.

[TTmonkey]

Europa1 said:

I'd love a Koenigsegg if I had the financial wherewithal. There was a very good "Megafactories" episode on National Geographic channel last weekend, which left me doffing my imaginary cap to Christian von Koenigsegg for his single mindedness in pursuing his vision. To my mind they are a fantastically designed, engineered thing, and in these days when Lamborghinis are perceived as being "too Audi", here is a car that looks stunning, has even cooler doors than a Lambo, and is properly barking and will bite you.

I think the term 'bite you' is very pertinent in the Egg. I think most 'super rich' types are probably scared of this particular car, as it is just too raw, too powerful.

[TTmonkey]

marcosgt said:

TTmonkey said:

mikebradford said:

My favourite is the P1
But im starting to like the styling of the 918s

I've really started liking the Ferrari. Slow start for me, but it seems much more special than first impressions.

Just the silly name really, if it had a 'great' name like the Enzo for example, then it would be a winner.

Maybe the P1 should be renamed the Bruce or the Ron?

I always thought the "Enzo" was a stupid name, but I'll grant you that the Laugherrari (Am I the only one who hears Ricky Gervais saying "Is 'e 'aving a larf?" when I see that name?) is much worse!

M.

I wasn't a lover of the name Enzo myself, but it was at least pertinent to the brand and was relevant, as it came so close after his death.