RE: Jaguar XE: Driven
Discussion
SidewaysSi said:
Fox- said:
SidewaysSi said:
Besides, I can categorically say that any infotainment system in 2015 is more than capable for me!
The one in the XF is absolutely terrible compared to the competition.The XE looks good too.
not bad looking at all, nice style inside too.But I fear same story with Jag's, when a new one comes out they get highly praised by the motoring press,with the usual "this is the new class leader", then within a year everyone realizes it just is't.
drove an XF3.0d, a few years ago expecting something great,and it just was't anything special to drive and now from the rear look similar to a Mondeo.
no wonder you can find them littering the local facebook selling pages from £6k odd.
do hope the XE does better....time will tell.
drove an XF3.0d, a few years ago expecting something great,and it just was't anything special to drive and now from the rear look similar to a Mondeo.
no wonder you can find them littering the local facebook selling pages from £6k odd.
do hope the XE does better....time will tell.
Interesting read and seems to be a different view compared to other reviews.
The vast majority of reviews from other sources have been very postitive regarding the XE. Autocar's conclusion: "Should I buy one? As an enthusiast, you might well, because it’s good to drive. Jaguar’s intent was to give the XE the comfort of the best C-classes and the composure of a decent 3-series. To my mind, it exceeds both in both areas."
It's worth bearing in mind that a lot of the issues regarding NVH and the entertainment system are likely to be resolved before customer's recieve their cars. If the German rivals had given their prototype vehicles to journalists I'm sure that they would've had their fair share of issues too!
It also surprises me how many people have such a negative opinion on the car purely based on pictures, a pistonheads review of the prototype and some PCP calculations.
On the whole I think the front end looks superb, the interior looks great and it's refreshing to see a new, driver focused, approach to this segment.
The vast majority of reviews from other sources have been very postitive regarding the XE. Autocar's conclusion: "Should I buy one? As an enthusiast, you might well, because it’s good to drive. Jaguar’s intent was to give the XE the comfort of the best C-classes and the composure of a decent 3-series. To my mind, it exceeds both in both areas."
It's worth bearing in mind that a lot of the issues regarding NVH and the entertainment system are likely to be resolved before customer's recieve their cars. If the German rivals had given their prototype vehicles to journalists I'm sure that they would've had their fair share of issues too!
It also surprises me how many people have such a negative opinion on the car purely based on pictures, a pistonheads review of the prototype and some PCP calculations.
On the whole I think the front end looks superb, the interior looks great and it's refreshing to see a new, driver focused, approach to this segment.
gentleman2012 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Fox- said:
SidewaysSi said:
Besides, I can categorically say that any infotainment system in 2015 is more than capable for me!
The one in the XF is absolutely terrible compared to the competition.The XE looks good too.
A) end up in a BMW because it's £40 less a month. I mean really? Spending hundreds per month on a new car but let £40/month dictate which one you end up with??? I just can't relate to that. I just get what I want. I don't usually bother to compare the competition if it doesn't interest me.
B) let infotainment sway your car choice. There are so many layers of things that matter so much more than how slick the infotainment is. If you get angry with it, you need some real problems and responsibilities in life to worry about instead.
anonymous said:
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But I like mine , cost me £12,000 at 3 yrs old Looked at Audi and BMW at same time
They were a lot more for a 4 door car with electric windows in the front only , cd with 4 speakers , electric fold mirrors , reversing sensors etc. very similar spec to 4 circles or typical german rep car
Each to their own as they say
The XE was always going to provoke a divisive reaction from us lot, go avantgarde like the XJ and people will slate it as being too out there and ugly. Play it too safe (as they have done) and they get accused of being too boring.
The point is that this segment of the market is the safest/most conformist one out there, so Jaguar in fairness to them did need to make a car that was pretty much all things to all people. Volume is the key with this market so they had no choice but to play it safe. With the F-Pace they could afford to be a bit more daring but with XE they were always going to be held prisoner to what the market wants.
I wish that more of the F-Type design magic could have been sprinkled on the car and like many of said, perhaps this is being saved for the revised 2018 car. This after all was probably designed circa original XF time.
If it helps Jaguar stay alive then I don't care, a great Company employing great British talent.
Regards,
MyCC.
The point is that this segment of the market is the safest/most conformist one out there, so Jaguar in fairness to them did need to make a car that was pretty much all things to all people. Volume is the key with this market so they had no choice but to play it safe. With the F-Pace they could afford to be a bit more daring but with XE they were always going to be held prisoner to what the market wants.
I wish that more of the F-Type design magic could have been sprinkled on the car and like many of said, perhaps this is being saved for the revised 2018 car. This after all was probably designed circa original XF time.
If it helps Jaguar stay alive then I don't care, a great Company employing great British talent.
Regards,
MyCC.
loudlashadjuster said:
bertie said:
Im not a BMW fan but knowing how much my mate 328i was, I thought that unlikely.
Sure enough, a 335i Luxury auto is £41,170 before any options.
I'm sure the Jag will be competitive on price, Merc, BMW, Audi....they all know exactly what each other are doing.
Apologies, you are correct and the 335i Luxury Touring is indeed £41k, not £38k. I was looking at an out of date price list.Sure enough, a 335i Luxury auto is £41,170 before any options.
I'm sure the Jag will be competitive on price, Merc, BMW, Audi....they all know exactly what each other are doing.
Evens things up a bit. The Jag has more power I guess to account for its higher price.
Maldini35 said:
I'll ignore your ill-informed dig and simply challenge you on your acceptance of mediocrity.
This is a brand new car. A design starting from a clean sheet of paper. Do you honestly think this is a triumph? Is this a classic in waiting?
If everybody had your attitude we would never have had the E-Type...
Oh, and you stayed very quiet about the sub-standard touch screen.
We all want Jaguar to flourish - of course we do - but if it wants to make the next step it has to improve across the board.
I can forgive an average infotainment system on the F-Type because it's a stunningly beautiful sports car.
But in a generic-styled executive saloon in which people will drive 15,000 miles a year, it is just not good enough.
A wasted opportunity to shake up the category and make the world take notice.
I am not happy about this, in fact I'm angry. And you should be too.
God, where to start?This is a brand new car. A design starting from a clean sheet of paper. Do you honestly think this is a triumph? Is this a classic in waiting?
If everybody had your attitude we would never have had the E-Type...
Oh, and you stayed very quiet about the sub-standard touch screen.
We all want Jaguar to flourish - of course we do - but if it wants to make the next step it has to improve across the board.
I can forgive an average infotainment system on the F-Type because it's a stunningly beautiful sports car.
But in a generic-styled executive saloon in which people will drive 15,000 miles a year, it is just not good enough.
A wasted opportunity to shake up the category and make the world take notice.
I am not happy about this, in fact I'm angry. And you should be too.
Jaguar tried to "shake up the category" when they launched the XJ. IT DIDN'T WORK!
You want an E-type equivalent launched in the most conservative, competitive and clearly defined segment in the whole industry?
Inoffensive, slightly attractive and respectable is what this segment demands and Jaguar have delivered.
The reason I stayed quiet about the substandard touch screen is that I don't know if it is as I suspect you don't, where did you try it? Are you basing it on today's first drives?
The reason you are angry is that you live in a fantasy land where the reality of what people actually buy is second to your Homer Simpson style car wet dream.
Ps. have you ever met XJflyer?
Maldini35 said:
I am not happy about this, in fact I'm angry. And you should be too.
Get over yourself will you. Better infotainment is coming soon and this car was designed to be conservative as that's what the market demands. Design and development is compressed into a matter of months these days so there'll be compromises. Name me one product that was perfect from launch. I've played around with the infotainment system at a recent Castle Browmich preview event - it seemed ok to me. OK not as intuitive as iDrive but surely not a deal breaker?
While I think Jag has played a blinder offering the sub 100g//km across a variety of trim lines, I do hope they don't sacrifice everything to the fleet market - it will play havoc with RVs and therefore impact unpleasantly on retail business.
While I think Jag has played a blinder offering the sub 100g//km across a variety of trim lines, I do hope they don't sacrifice everything to the fleet market - it will play havoc with RVs and therefore impact unpleasantly on retail business.
The Vambo said:
Inoffensive, slightly attractive and respectable is what this segment demands and Jaguar have delivered.
In terms of attributes, it's actually quite like the criteria for men's business suits, isn't it. You're taken seriously for having a proper execution of the expected (and not for showing up with an odd pattern, flared trousers or flappy wide lapels).It's not called "the exec" segment for nothing.
I don't have a car of this category, and haven't had one for many years since having company cars. Once I started paying for cars myself (and working for myself so no expectations of having something for particular company duties), and then more specifically when I had less need to carry children around as much, I didn't look closely at four door saloons or estates. However, having read the comments on here today suggesting the XE is bland whilst driving this afternoon I did pay a lot more attention to the cars it is competing with in the category. Basically, as others have said, this category is bland, presumably because that is what people want - or at least have come to expect. The X-Type looked different to other cars in the class, but didn't sell well. The current Mazda 6 looks different, but there aren't many around. The Citroen C5 also offers something different, but there aren't many of those. I guess due to the overall blandness I hadn't paid much attention to most of the offerings.
Jaguar need to establish themselves in the segment and therefore have to conform, which the XE does. Maybe with a facelift and then subsequent replacement they can be braver in design as they will already (hopefully) have a good customer base who will repeat purchase the brand. But being different is unlikely to generate the initial sales needed. It pains me to say it but they can't afford to offend anyone - and I say that because I generally believe that if you can get a percentage of the market to absolutely love your product so much they have to have it, it doesn't matter if the remainder of the population hate it. But with "exec" category cars this doesn't seem to apply - I find that a shame but if that is what the market wants....
Jaguar need to establish themselves in the segment and therefore have to conform, which the XE does. Maybe with a facelift and then subsequent replacement they can be braver in design as they will already (hopefully) have a good customer base who will repeat purchase the brand. But being different is unlikely to generate the initial sales needed. It pains me to say it but they can't afford to offend anyone - and I say that because I generally believe that if you can get a percentage of the market to absolutely love your product so much they have to have it, it doesn't matter if the remainder of the population hate it. But with "exec" category cars this doesn't seem to apply - I find that a shame but if that is what the market wants....
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