RE: Jaguar XE: Driven
Discussion
jl34 said:
Very depressing to hear negative comments from people who havent seen or driven the car. It has a nice sporty profile when put next to a 3 series or A4 with the rakish front pillars. I think in terms of packaging constraints and requirements of the fleet market they have a done a great job. It was never going to look like an e-type or Mk2 was it ???? !!!! Today you have strict crash safety and aero constraints before you even start on the styling. As for comparing it to a mustang, why not compare an Audi A4 to a Mustang ?
Double wishbone suspension , aluminium body, app controlled functions, 99g CO2 engine , you dont get those on the Germans so whats the matter with you lot?
Well said, 100% agree. Seems like some will do anything to justify their continued allegiance to the German execs....Double wishbone suspension , aluminium body, app controlled functions, 99g CO2 engine , you dont get those on the Germans so whats the matter with you lot?
jl34 said:
Very depressing to hear negative comments from people who havent seen or driven the car. It has a nice sporty profile when put next to a 3 series or A4 with the rakish front pillars. I think in terms of packaging constraints and requirements of the fleet market they have a done a great job. It was never going to look like an e-type or Mk2 was it ???? !!!! Today you have strict crash safety and aero constraints before you even start on the styling. As for comparing it to a mustang, why not compare an Audi A4 to a Mustang ?
Double wishbone suspension , aluminium body, app controlled functions, 99g CO2 engine , you dont get those on the Germans so whats the matter with you lot?
The British love to pan British products. All a car needs is to not be German to automatically be rubbish. How can we expect other nations to denigrate everything we produce if we don't condemn it before it's on sale ourselves?Double wishbone suspension , aluminium body, app controlled functions, 99g CO2 engine , you dont get those on the Germans so whats the matter with you lot?
It's hard not to get lots of exposure to German cars these days despite having never bought one myself. I have yet to be impressed by any of the German cars assumed to be better than any Jag. The "stupid design features" thread ongoing suggests BMWs are rubbish. Most discussions on reliability reveal German reliability to be a myth. Most discussions on handling agree that Audis are all rubbish and ride on concrete springs, whereas non M3 BMWs are lack lustre and with half-arsed automatic gearbox development. They're mostly bland, ugly or both inside and out but they make a nice clunk when you shut the door. A very young Merc taxi I suffered in Stavanger in December had an interior stolen from a clapped out Crown Victoria taxi I suffered in Florida in September.
The British can't get enough ass-rogering from German car makers it seems.
Edited by jamieduff1981 on Wednesday 28th January 08:17
jamieduff1981 said:
I'm not sure if people are being deliberately stupid or just ignorant regarding pricing.
Jaguar have for the last decade and a half provided a base model with far more equipment as standard than the Germans. That's bad news for drivers who just want the cheapest, nastiest poverty spec model because Jaguar doesn't do poverty spec very well. If you intend to spec the option doors, windows and seats to your BMW then you'll find the pricing much closer.
Much also depends on the individual. Some are happy to pay a very small premium not to be seen in a generic German car.
I personally find the interior of the jags very dated with poor exterior styling .. except for the F type which is gorgeous. The brand still has a very old image.Jaguar have for the last decade and a half provided a base model with far more equipment as standard than the Germans. That's bad news for drivers who just want the cheapest, nastiest poverty spec model because Jaguar doesn't do poverty spec very well. If you intend to spec the option doors, windows and seats to your BMW then you'll find the pricing much closer.
Much also depends on the individual. Some are happy to pay a very small premium not to be seen in a generic German car.
Edited by Jonny TVR on Wednesday 28th January 08:25
Jonny TVR said:
jamieduff1981 said:
I'm not sure if people are being deliberately stupid or just ignorant regarding pricing.
Jaguar have for the last decade and a half provided a base model with far more equipment as standard than the Germans. That's bad news for drivers who just want the cheapest, nastiest poverty spec model because Jaguar doesn't do poverty spec very well. If you intend to spec the option doors, windows and seats to your BMW then you'll find the pricing much closer.
Much also depends on the individual. Some are happy to pay a very small premium not to be seen in a generic German car.
Utter rubbish .. jags always had to position themselves below german rivals in order to sell any. I personally find the interior of the jags very dated with poor exterior styling .. except for the F type which is gorgeous. The brand still has a very old image.Jaguar have for the last decade and a half provided a base model with far more equipment as standard than the Germans. That's bad news for drivers who just want the cheapest, nastiest poverty spec model because Jaguar doesn't do poverty spec very well. If you intend to spec the option doors, windows and seats to your BMW then you'll find the pricing much closer.
Much also depends on the individual. Some are happy to pay a very small premium not to be seen in a generic German car.
I personally find the interior of the jags very dated with poor exterior styling .. except for the F type which is gorgeous. The brand still has a very old image.
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So exactly which cars in the XE class do you find well styled then ?
Edited by Jonny TVR on Wednesday 28th January 08:25
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So exactly which cars in the XE class do you find well styled then ?
tadaah said:
jamieduff1981 said:
It's odd you say that because the BMW PCP rates discussed on here a week ago were eyewatering to what my Jag PCP rate is. Mine was sold "used" as it was a 1200 mile old demonstrator and I got it at 5.5%. Audi finance rates seem to be staggeringly expensive too.
Exactly!Jaguar's biggest problem with the XF was that it didn't bring out AWD or an estate until a long time after launch. It was then an old car.
I don't hear any messages that there will be AWD or an estate any time soon with the XE.
A quick look at nearly new cars (dealer stock etc) here in Switzerland shows some of the issues:
> 90% of all Audi A4s are estates
> 65% of all BMW 3 series are estates
> 60% of all BMW 3 series are AWD
OK so Switzerland is small. If I do a similar search in Germany the majority of 3 series are estates and over 80% of Audi A4s.
I don't hear any messages that there will be AWD or an estate any time soon with the XE.
A quick look at nearly new cars (dealer stock etc) here in Switzerland shows some of the issues:
> 90% of all Audi A4s are estates
> 65% of all BMW 3 series are estates
> 60% of all BMW 3 series are AWD
OK so Switzerland is small. If I do a similar search in Germany the majority of 3 series are estates and over 80% of Audi A4s.
Diderot said:
tadaah said:
jamieduff1981 said:
It's odd you say that because the BMW PCP rates discussed on here a week ago were eyewatering to what my Jag PCP rate is. Mine was sold "used" as it was a 1200 mile old demonstrator and I got it at 5.5%. Audi finance rates seem to be staggeringly expensive too.
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alolympic said:
jl34 said:
Very depressing to hear negative comments from people who havent seen or driven the car. It has a nice sporty profile when put next to a 3 series or A4 with the rakish front pillars. I think in terms of packaging constraints and requirements of the fleet market they have a done a great job. It was never going to look like an e-type or Mk2 was it ???? !!!! Today you have strict crash safety and aero constraints before you even start on the styling. As for comparing it to a mustang, why not compare an Audi A4 to a Mustang ?
Double wishbone suspension , aluminium body, app controlled functions, 99g CO2 engine , you dont get those on the Germans so whats the matter with you lot?
Well said, 100% agree. Seems like some will do anything to justify their continued allegiance to the German execs....Double wishbone suspension , aluminium body, app controlled functions, 99g CO2 engine , you dont get those on the Germans so whats the matter with you lot?
Would be interesting to hear if Jaguar have done their exhaust magic with the top of the range S model too.
Front - distinctive, but too similar to the XF to me, which comes across a bit last generation
Side - see above
Rear - disappointing, looks like it could be a Honda Accord (or similar) if the badges were swapped
Interior - pretty generic - and if the infotainment is a bit iffy, might well be a showroom turnoff. The Germans are pretty good at this stuff these days.
Still better to have more choice rather than less though, so I wish it well.
Side - see above
Rear - disappointing, looks like it could be a Honda Accord (or similar) if the badges were swapped
Interior - pretty generic - and if the infotainment is a bit iffy, might well be a showroom turnoff. The Germans are pretty good at this stuff these days.
Still better to have more choice rather than less though, so I wish it well.
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