RE: Jaguar XE: Driven
Discussion
True, I don't have the mentality to live in London (I've spent enough time there to know I despise the place and don't want to go back, even to visit) so it's something of a moot point. if I lived in London for some reason, I'd spend every second of my free time trying to get out of London as quickly as possible and in my experience that's generally quicker by means other than car.
From a car perspective, I don't know much about the very centre, but certainly looking at the moderately affluent middle class suburbs of London (which are mostly the places I know people) I've never seen so many SUVs with "premium" badges and new/private number plates on them. I live in a similarly affluent area of Southampton and my road seems to have more E-types and such like than modern BMWs or Mercs on it. I'm sure the phenomenon isn't unique to London, but I've certainly see it there more than anywhere else. I suppose there's a reason posh SUVs get called "Chelsea Tractors".
From a car perspective, I don't know much about the very centre, but certainly looking at the moderately affluent middle class suburbs of London (which are mostly the places I know people) I've never seen so many SUVs with "premium" badges and new/private number plates on them. I live in a similarly affluent area of Southampton and my road seems to have more E-types and such like than modern BMWs or Mercs on it. I'm sure the phenomenon isn't unique to London, but I've certainly see it there more than anywhere else. I suppose there's a reason posh SUVs get called "Chelsea Tractors".
Edited by kambites on Monday 2nd February 08:24
kambites said:
True, I don't have the mentality to live in London (I've spent enough time there to know I despise the place and don't want to go back, even to visit) so it's something of a moot point. if I lived in London for some reason, I'd spend every second of my free time trying to get out of London as quickly as possible and in my experience that's generally quicker by means other than car.
From a car perspective, I don't know much about the very centre, but certainly looking at the moderately affluent middle class suburbs of London (which are mostly the places I know people) I've never seen so many SUVs with "premium" badges and new/private number plates on them. I live in a similarly affluent area of Southampton and my road seems to have more E-types and such like than modern BMWs or Mercs on it. I'm sure the phenomenon isn't unique to London, but I've certainly see it there more than anywhere else. I suppose there's a reason posh SUVs get called "Chelsea Tractors".
A little bit of quick money always leads to a lot of quick debt. It's not unique to London it's a part of our DNA. You can see the same in places like Aberdeen etc and all over the world. But generally speaking, the bigger the displays of wealth, the lower the actual wealth is. From a car perspective, I don't know much about the very centre, but certainly looking at the moderately affluent middle class suburbs of London (which are mostly the places I know people) I've never seen so many SUVs with "premium" badges and new/private number plates on them. I live in a similarly affluent area of Southampton and my road seems to have more E-types and such like than modern BMWs or Mercs on it. I'm sure the phenomenon isn't unique to London, but I've certainly see it there more than anywhere else. I suppose there's a reason posh SUVs get called "Chelsea Tractors".
Edited by kambites on Monday 2nd February 08:24
Bizarrely, I love London for the sheer speed at which you can get anywhere and that you can get most things to come to you anyway.
If I didn't like cars then I wouldn't bother with one as they aren't really needed.
DonkeyApple said:
A little bit of quick money always leads to a lot of quick debt. It's not unique to London it's a part of our DNA. You can see the same in places like Aberdeen etc and all over the world. But generally speaking, the bigger the displays of wealth, the lower the actual wealth is.
Bizarrely, I love London for the sheer speed at which you can get anywhere and that you can get most things to come to you anyway.
If I didn't like cars then I wouldn't bother with one as they aren't really needed.
Last point is wrong for a lot of people.Bizarrely, I love London for the sheer speed at which you can get anywhere and that you can get most things to come to you anyway.
If I didn't like cars then I wouldn't bother with one as they aren't really needed.
My commute in a car - pleasant 25 mins with the radio on in warm car.
My commute by public transport - 50 mins while getting sneezed on, coughed on and nose-polluted by stinky ill people.
ORD said:
DonkeyApple said:
A little bit of quick money always leads to a lot of quick debt. It's not unique to London it's a part of our DNA. You can see the same in places like Aberdeen etc and all over the world. But generally speaking, the bigger the displays of wealth, the lower the actual wealth is.
Bizarrely, I love London for the sheer speed at which you can get anywhere and that you can get most things to come to you anyway.
If I didn't like cars then I wouldn't bother with one as they aren't really needed.
Last point is wrong for a lot of people.Bizarrely, I love London for the sheer speed at which you can get anywhere and that you can get most things to come to you anyway.
If I didn't like cars then I wouldn't bother with one as they aren't really needed.
My commute in a car - pleasant 25 mins with the radio on in warm car.
My commute by public transport - 50 mins while getting sneezed on, coughed on and nose-polluted by stinky ill people.
kambites said:
True, I don't have the mentality to live in London (I've spent enough time there to know I despise the place and don't want to go back, even to visit) so it's something of a moot point. if I lived in London for some reason, I'd spend every second of my free time trying to get out of London as quickly as possible and in my experience that's generally quicker by means other than car.
From a car perspective, I don't know much about the very centre, but certainly looking at the moderately affluent middle class suburbs of London (which are mostly the places I know people) I've never seen so many SUVs with "premium" badges and new/private number plates on them. I live in a similarly affluent area of Southampton and my road seems to have more E-types and such like than modern BMWs or Mercs on it. I'm sure the phenomenon isn't unique to London, but I've certainly see it there more than anywhere else. I suppose there's a reason posh SUVs get called "Chelsea Tractors".
Interesting, because the part of Hedge End (Just outside Southampton) I live in (Grange Park area) probably best described as 'middle class' is full of SUV's of all varieties, from relatively humble Qashqai's and Kuga's to drug dealer spec Q7's and RRS's. While there is the odd exception I wish these people all owned E types etc instead, would be far more interesting! From a car perspective, I don't know much about the very centre, but certainly looking at the moderately affluent middle class suburbs of London (which are mostly the places I know people) I've never seen so many SUVs with "premium" badges and new/private number plates on them. I live in a similarly affluent area of Southampton and my road seems to have more E-types and such like than modern BMWs or Mercs on it. I'm sure the phenomenon isn't unique to London, but I've certainly see it there more than anywhere else. I suppose there's a reason posh SUVs get called "Chelsea Tractors".
Edited by kambites on Monday 2nd February 08:24
I'm just reading through Autocar's review of this and one sentence caught my attention in particular:
The idea of the 5.0 V8 as an AMG, M, RS alternative sounds interesting though.
Autocar said:
Step up to Prestige and you get leather front seats...
Surely not?! Nigh on £30k for a standard SE diesel that doesn't have leather seats as standard, then an additional £1k up to Prestige and you still only get leather in the front?The idea of the 5.0 V8 as an AMG, M, RS alternative sounds interesting though.
I'm no doubt being unfair here but I cannot help but feel Jaguar have gone off a bit 'half cocked' on the XE. Only 4-pot diesels, no 3-litre option (to challenge the 330d), no estate version and silly things like leather non standard (as above) on expensive models. I know that all of these things will eventually arrive but it does feel like the launch has been going on for months and still no news or indication as when the range is going to broaden. It's an undeniably good-looking thing though, I really hope it's a success (it no doubt will be in the C220 / 320d company hack sector... which no doubt explains where Jaguar are marketing launch models where they are).
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/jaguar/xe/firs...
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar-xe-portfolio-d...
Jaguar XE production version reviews
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar-xe-portfolio-d...
Jaguar XE production version reviews
Edited by craste on Thursday 23 April 18:30
craste said:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/jaguar/xe/firs...
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar-xe-portfolio-d...
Jaguar XE production version reviews
Five out of five so very well rated then. http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar-xe-portfolio-d...
Jaguar XE production version reviews
Edited by craste on Thursday 23 April 18:30
darren f said:
I'm no doubt being unfair here but I cannot help but feel Jaguar have gone off a bit 'half cocked' on the XE. Only 4-pot diesels, no 3-litre option (to challenge the 330d), no estate version and silly things like leather non standard (as above) on expensive models. I know that all of these things will eventually arrive but it does feel like the launch has been going on for months and still no news or indication as when the range is going to broaden. It's an undeniably good-looking thing though, I really hope it's a success (it no doubt will be in the C220 / 320d company hack sector... which no doubt explains where Jaguar are marketing launch models where they are).
As an owner of one ,I remember seeing production figures and sorry I cant remember exactly but the 330d sales were really miniscule compared to the 320d so guess they see it as of no significance.EDITED Found it this from Car magazine Of 27,676 Threes sold last year, 584 had the 30d engine, compared with 11,151 20ds.
Dyl said:
Surely not?! Nigh on £30k for a standard SE diesel that doesn't have leather seats as standard, then an additional £1k up to Prestige and you still only get leather in the front?
The idea of the 5.0 V8 as an AMG, M, RS alternative sounds interesting though.
I imagine it will be leather in the front and fake leather in the back. I cant see them having leather front and cloth back seats tbh The idea of the 5.0 V8 as an AMG, M, RS alternative sounds interesting though.
ZesPak said:
kambites said:
I doubt there will be a six-pot diesel in the next generation of 3-series (or possibly even the post-LCI current one); there might not even be a 6-pot petrol except for the M3.
Wow... is the current M3/M4 a 6 pot?Edited by kambites on Friday 24th April 20:03
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