RE: Jaguar XE: Driven

[Limpet]

JonnyVTEC said:

Limpet said:

I can't understand how they could screw up the infotainment system. Isn't stuff like this simply bought off the shelf and branded/skinned as appropriate?

Didnt you like it when you used it?

Haven't had the pleasure yet. Just going on what I've read. I also have experience of the system in the XF which is horribly clunky.

[corcoran]

That Arse! Those badges! God no. No. No thank you. No.

[jl34]

Limpet said:

Haven't had the pleasure yet. Just going on what I've read. I also have experience of the system in the XF which is horribly clunky.

So you havent seen it or used or read a review of a production version, But "its all screwed up" ???????

[smilo996]

The article is interesting though it would be good to read the same pithy sarcasm when PH goes for a love in with zee Porsche PR team as well because they can pile on the c**p as well as anyone.
The comments are the usual depressing, more interersted in BMW and Audi crowd often to be waded through on PH, with some notable exceptions.

For a first attempt at taking on zee Germans on head to head and putting their volume 4 door car above everyone else it looks like thay have done a mighty job. Hope it sells well, like everything else thay have made in the past 5 years seems to be doing, contrary to what you would believe from the above.

[knitware]

It quite a pointless car, if you are looking at the XE why not buy an XF, it’s almost the same price.

The BMW 3 series, the F30 and F31 won’t be touched by the XE,( only by patriots) BMW engines are so good, the chassis is amazing and the handling is wonderful, it’s going to be tough for any manufacturer to catch up. The 3 series / 4 series is also a very nice place to sit, the EX is, well, bitty?

[ZesPak]

knitware said:

It quite a pointless car, if you are looking at the XE why not buy an XF, it’s almost the same price.

The BMW 3 series, the F30 and F31 won’t be touched by the XE,( only by patriots) BMW engines are so good, the chassis is amazing and the handling is wonderful, it’s going to be tough for any manufacturer to catch up. The 3 series / 4 series is also a very nice place to sit, the EX is, well, bitty?

1. I went to a dealer looking at a new 3 series (E90) once, the difference between the new 3 and older 5 was about £2k back then!
2. That's a nice claim, have you driven it? BMW engines are good, the ingenium are supposed to be even better... The chassis good, handling supposed to be good. And, according to most reviews, the 3-er is beaten in nearly every way by the new C-class, so far from "class-leading" or "though for any manufacturer to catch up"?
3. I've sat in the 3-series, C-class, A4 and XE back to back this weekend. I'd pick the XE over the 3-er every day of the week. But the C-class over both though.

Sorry to say this, but your post stinks of BMW fanboyisms. The newer gen BMW's have been nowhere near as well received as the generations before it, the competition has most definitely caught up and in some cases even surpassed it.

Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 28th January 10:28

[Limpet]

jl34 said:

So you havent seen it or used or read a review of a production version, But "its all screwed up" ???????

If you're going to be a pedant, at least quote accurately.

I asked how they could screw up the infotainment system?. I don't recall ever stating "It's all screwed up"

The review of the car says the infotainment system is poor. Drivers of other modern Jaguars say the infotainment system is poor. I have used the infotainment system in a 2011 Jaguar XF and thought it was poor. It's a fair question to ask how this could be the case, surely.

[jl34]

knitware said:

It quite a pointless car, if you are looking at the XE why not buy an XF, it’s almost the same price.

The BMW 3 series, the F30 and F31 won’t be touched by the XE,( only by patriots) BMW engines are so good, the chassis is amazing and the handling is wonderful, it’s going to be tough for any manufacturer to catch up. The 3 series / 4 series is also a very nice place to sit, the EX is, well, bitty?

Well im glad you have spent extensive hours behind the wheel of both cars in order to make that wonderfully conclusive opinion.

XE uses double wishbone front suspension versus what ,, ancient Mcpherson struts on the BMW ? since when did an F30 drive great ?, there are no where near as competitive on the handling front as some of the older generation where in there day.

[darren f]

Spread the word- it's rubbish .. a paucity of buyers will mean decent discounts in a few months when I'm looking to change. They will have to produce an estate (or Sportsbrake?) version PDQ for me to be fully interested though, they need to to address the issues with the saloon's back end.

Can't help but think Jaguar have 'ballsed up' here, it has felt like forever to get them into the dealer showrooms and still won't be OTR until March / April. Just in time for everyone buying in this sector to be hanging around to see what the LCI on the 3-series produces. They needed to be 'ahead of the game' and have failed miserably.

[knitware]

smilo996 said:

it looks like thay have done a mighty job.

Erm, no they haven't, what is mighty about anything in that car?

[TurboHatchback]

I think it looks good and sounds like it drives as well or better than the competition. If I was in the market for a new saloon car I would probably pick this over the German options. I'm not however so my opinion is meaningless, hopefully lots of people will go out and buy V6 petrols so I can have one in about 10 years time.

[jl34]

Limpet said:

If you're going to be a pedant, at least quote accurately.

I asked how they could screw up the infotainment system?. I don't recall ever stating "It's all screwed up"

The review of the car says the infotainment system is poor. Drivers of other modern Jaguars say the infotainment system is poor. I have used the infotainment system in a 2011 Jaguar XF and thought it was poor. It's a fair question to ask how this could be the case, surely.




The reviewer didnt say that , he simply said the screens resolution was not as high as some. Jaguar have told the reviewer to judge the handling dynamics and nothing else as its a pre prod car. And the system in the XF is nothing like the new one so why judge the new one when the older one is , well old ? Im sure the new XF will get an updated system too.

[TWPC]

ZesPak said:

jl34 said:

So exactly which cars in the XE class do you find well styled then ?

Exactly. Can't think of a lot of cars in this class that actually look like they're designed by anything else than a wind tunnel and some computers.
Maybe the Mazda 6, in the "non-premium" bracket.

Couldn't agree more.

[knitware]

ZesPak said:

1. I went to a dealer looking at a new 3 series (E90) once, the difference between the new 3 and older 5 was about £2k back then!

That visit you made was some time ago.

1. That's a nice claim, have you driven it? BMW engines are good, the ingenium are supposed to be even better... The chassis good, handling supposed to be good. And, according to most reviews, the 3-er is beaten in nearly every way by the new C-class, so far from "class-leading" or "though for any manufacturer to catch up"?

No one has driven it properly, no one as yet can say whats good or bad. I dont know what review you have read but no literature anywhere says the C Class is better than a 3 series, dynamiclly and engine wise the C Class is not as good.It does have a shiney interior which I think you like

1. I've sat in the 3-series, C-class, A4 and XE back to back this weekend. I'd pick the XE over the 3-er every day of the week. But the C-class over both though.

That's great, this is what car buying is all about, i suggest you drive the car rather than sit in one though! Enjoy.


Sorry to say this, but your post stinks of BMW fanboyisms. The newer gen BMW's have been nowhere near as well received as the generations before it, the competition has most definitely caught up and in some cases even surpassed it.

Stinks?It's not 'fanboyism' but observasions gained from reading thousands of words, watching reviews and actually driving various cars, apart from the XE...

Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 28th January 10:28

[bleepy]

Will take a look when I'm next near a Jaguar dealer.

I owned a 3 litre diesel XF for 3 years on a lease deal. Great engine, very pleasant interior, decent ride. Awful awful touch screen interface though with a sat nav system powered by steam. Recently test drove both a RR Sport and Discovery sport and I have to say I disliked the interfaces in those as well. With all the gadgets in cars these days, the way you interface with these systems is important. I'm intending to have a drive in a Panamera at some point - I really like the 'old fashioned' buttons approach.....

[TWPC]

I think Dale's report sounds very promising.

Not that I am in the market for this sort of car, I agree that the pricing looks optimistic.
Have you seen what has happened to Merc/BMW/Audi prices recently?
Drivethedeal was offering £8-10K of 5 series diesels list prices (even the 520d) and they are still offering £5.5K and more off a Merc C-class.

They will supply a C250 BlueTEC Sport 4dr Auto for £6,279 below the list price. Just goes to show what ultimately happens to any brand when you chase volume.

I'd be reluctant to pay list for an XE...

[ManFromDelmonte]

Article said:

As we cross another two-inch expansion gap, mid-turn, it's easy to imagine that you're feeling the very gauge of the steel passing under your wheels.

Troy, is that you?

[knitware]

jl34 said:

XE uses double wishbone front suspension

And in your professional opinion this is good because?
It’s the sum of all parts that make a difference not a few supposedly superior items in isolation.
Anyway, until a few reviews are published and people can actually drive the thing then a better observation and conclusion will be made. I don’t hold out for it beating the BMW as a complete package through or a C Class.

[loudlashadjuster]

JonnyVTEC said:

Seriously? You have just bought a car with smaller payments to appear 'cheaper' yet at the end to own the car you would need £2k less to keep the Jaguar!!

It gets handed back, used as deposit for next one, monthly payments are funded by company allowance.

I've done enough PCP to know roughly what I'm doing, started with less than £2k down on a £22k VW years ago, never had to top-up or any of the other horror stories you hear when changing cars yet am now looking at a car with £40+k list with only inflationary rises in monthly payments.

[GTEYE]

Biggest problem for me is that Jaguar have set themselves up for a bit of a fall.

There is no way the car would be able to stand up to the quite frankly ridiculous level of hype that Jaguar themselves poured on to it.

It surprises me not one jot that there are some critical comments out there...

PS on comments that the latest 3 Series doesn't handle....the boggo rep specials are certainly more comfort biased than their predecessors (intentionally), but get an M Sport and there's a fine balance between comfort and handling. Having had an F30 (standard suspension) and now an F32 (M Sport suspension), they are actually much superior to the E90 and E46 models in almost every way.