RE: Delta Integrale Martini 5 goes to auction

[Numeric]

The only thing about low mileage cars is you pay heavily for each mile driven in depreciation. I had a very low mileage more classic car and I hated that every mile driven went straight to the bottom line quite savageley, while a slightly higher mile example bought for much less would have barely notiiced the extra miles.

[405dogvan]

Numeric said:

The only thing about low mileage cars is you pay heavily for each mile driven in depreciation. I had a very low mileage more classic car and I hated that every mile driven went straight to the bottom line quite savageley, while a slightly higher mile example bought for much less would have barely notiiced the extra miles.

As I said above - no-one will drive that, it's an object-d-pointless.

Unless you take the James May "buy a toy train and throw the box away" mentality but the asking price is a bit steep for that ;0

[Sway]

405dogvan said:

British Beef said:

Krikkit said:

No mention of the Lister Le Mans? A twin-supercharged 7 litre V12...

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/jaguar-lister

WOW, if that goes for the estimate it is an absolute bargain! My favorite car in the auction by a mile, regardless of price.
Sorely tempted to put my money where my mouth is and take a punt.

This for me is the best car Jaguar never made! And for the same estimate as an E30 M3, bonkers, one mass produced the other 600hp British icon.

For a LONG time those things were near-unsaleable - several were stuck to showroom floors around the country until recently with pricetags in the high 20s - so anyone paying more now is dumber than cheese...

I once almost bought one for £12,995 (early 90s) - from a Jaguar dealer no less - I'd gone in to look at an E30 325 Sport and the Lister was the same price (I ended-up buying neither - 2 mistakes in 1 trip!!)

As for the Lancia - do people really want a car which hasn't moved in a couple of decades - has had presumably little-or-no-maintenance in that time either (unless we're supposed to believe they've replaced most of the parts in the thing twice over for no reason!?)

It's an ornament isn't it?

To be fair, Mclaren F1s were sitting unsold for a good while, and they never met their original production targets...



(Do accept the Listers were struggling a lot more recently however)

[daytona365]

The trouble/blessing is a five year old can 'clock' these older cars.

[Earl of Petrol]

A 'new' Integrale; I reckon it'll breeze past the £100 k mark.

[AndyDefault]

Matt_N said:

Mogul said:

The replica Eggenberger Cosworth looks like it could be a whole lot of fun..

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/ford-sierra-co...

That's my boyhood posters, scalextric cars and BTCC viewing in the flesh right there.

Want!

You beat me to it, my only recollection of this car is from the Scalextric set I had as a yoof. Takes me back

[bobberz]

Re: the Lister XJS:

Silverstone Auctions said:

The Le Mans Coupe was capable of over 200 mph with the correct gearing and was the first production car to do so.

Hmm, I feel some Tifosi may take issue with that statement! In what way is that a production car? I feel it's more akin to the Callaway Sledgehammer in the US. Touted as the "fastest car in the world", but was clearly a modified (albeit very highly) 'Vette, not a production car.

It's an amazing car, but I want the Lynx Eventer! Never thought XJS' looked good, but evidently, turning one into a shooting brake transforms it into a highly desirable car, for me.

How about dropping the Lister 7.0 L drivetrain into the Lynx Eventer body?! That'd do it!

[Cheib]

SteveSteveson said:

ZesPak said:

X5TUU said:

Josco010 said:

Bought as a future investment with 400 being produced, i'd say that was a very clever move by the buyer knowing they'd make a killing in the future probably for their child(ren) etc either way very smart buyer(driven straight to house 31miles and immediately decommissioned and put in garage and just sit and wait) wow very good foresight indeed, now lets see if it makes the money being sort.

Assuming it was properly decommissioned and stored in a temperature and humidity controlled bubble

Seems a waste to me ... And imagine have that sort of temptation sat in the garage...

Not to mention, how much was it new, and how's that adjusted for inflation?
100k now was about 50k back then.
Then, as you said, the cost of keeping it pristine...

Yep. I have thought this a lot when people talk about investments. Sure, if you get lucky and buy something in a market where it is worthless and sell it when the market is high AND it is something that goes for silly money, then fine, but most of the time people can't be making much once you have taken in to account looking after the car for many years.

Yup. Assuming it cost £30k (no clue how much it did cost but IIRC an E30 M3 was mid/high £30k's around the same time) it's a 3 or 4% return per annum before storage, insurance costs etc. That is nothing to get excited about....if you'd bought it three years ago for £50k that would have been worth talking about!

[joz8968]

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[joz8968]

...I should add, it unfortunately met its maker. It's now in car graveyard heaven.

[bloomen]

I have never, ever understood the premium the Martini Integrales attracted. They're limited in number, but so are all the other ones and they come in much more pleasant colour schemes.

I sold two delivery mileage Evos around 2002. One was a Martini, the other a Gialla. They were £18,000 each minus vat and needed a fair degree of love back then.

[F1GTRUeno]

bloomen said:

I have never, ever understood the premium the Martini Integrales attracted. They're limited in number, but so are all the other ones and they come in much more pleasant colour schemes.

I sold two delivery mileage Evos around 2002. One was a Martini, the other a Gialla. They were £18,000 each minus vat and needed a fair degree of love back then.

I'd have said it was completely obvious.

They have the rally livery. 99% of the cool and mystique about Delta Integrales comes from the rally effort and the success and the iconic Martini livery.

Same with having an Evo VI TME in the red with the stripe, or having an Impreza in blue with gold wheels. Far cooler than a normal one, IMO Imprezas have never looked right unless they're in that combo.

[carinaman]

I like to think the Martini paintjob on the Williams being driven quite quickly by Valtieri Bottas took inspiration from this integrale.

[MarshPhantom]

Sway said:

405dogvan said:

British Beef said:

Krikkit said:

No mention of the Lister Le Mans? A twin-supercharged 7 litre V12...

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/jaguar-lister

WOW, if that goes for the estimate it is an absolute bargain! My favorite car in the auction by a mile, regardless of price.
Sorely tempted to put my money where my mouth is and take a punt.

This for me is the best car Jaguar never made! And for the same estimate as an E30 M3, bonkers, one mass produced the other 600hp British icon.

For a LONG time those things were near-unsaleable - several were stuck to showroom floors around the country until recently with pricetags in the high 20s - so anyone paying more now is dumber than cheese...

I once almost bought one for £12,995 (early 90s) - from a Jaguar dealer no less - I'd gone in to look at an E30 325 Sport and the Lister was the same price (I ended-up buying neither - 2 mistakes in 1 trip!!)

As for the Lancia - do people really want a car which hasn't moved in a couple of decades - has had presumably little-or-no-maintenance in that time either (unless we're supposed to believe they've replaced most of the parts in the thing twice over for no reason!?)

It's an ornament isn't it?

To be fair, Mclaren F1s were sitting unsold for a good while, and they never met their original production targets...



(Do accept the Listers were struggling a lot more recently however)

Looks like a bargain in comparison with the prices of some old cars at the moment. Utterly crazy XJS, still fast today, possibly suffers because most people will have no idea what is.

Much want.

[hondansx]

They tried to sell a Lister in 2013 with an estimate of £20k. It didn't sell.

[vtgts300kw]

Mogul said:

The replica Eggenberger Cosworth looks like it could be a whole lot of fun..

https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/ford-sierra-co...

The ETCC winning car is for sale in NZ. £270,000

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/ford/auc...

[viggyp]

P4ROT said:

Love the seats in that Martini 6, so Italian.

Martini 5 I think you meant to say? So 80's and sporty. I love it.