"All Season" tyres ?
Discussion
fivepointnine said:
... but again they are no replacement for proper snow tyres if you live in an area that gets a lot of snow. I myself cannot justify snow tyres when we get one or two days of snow a year.
They aren't snow tyres, they're winter tyres.Winter tyres are designed to improve grip at temperatures below 7 degrees Celsius, the temperature at which summer tyres start to get a definite decrease in performance. We have more than two or three days of temperatures below 7 degrees (and lets not forget half of our journeys are early morning when it can frequently be below zero).
As a side benefit winter tyres also tend to have better wet weather performance as well - largely due to the high number of sipes in the tread.
trickywoo said:
Just posted this on another thread.
I've run Kleber Quadraxers for the last few years.
Fine in the warm and dry. Excellent in cold and wet and a lot better than a standard tyre on snow.
I had these on a Suzuki swift and ran them in snow they were much better than standard summer tyres. On hot days they were a bit squishy but the compromise was well worth it for snow / slush / cold grip.I've run Kleber Quadraxers for the last few years.
Fine in the warm and dry. Excellent in cold and wet and a lot better than a standard tyre on snow.
JumboBeef said:
After reading this thread, I'm going to try some Falken AS200 All Seasons on my Volvo V70, up on Dartmoor as I am....
Read this first: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Is-there-a-tr...fivepointnine said:
I don't think you can get them here in the UK but Continental makes an AS tyre called the Extreme Contact DWS, I had them on our Merc CLK500 back in the US and they were better in the dry than the summer only Contisportcontact 2's I replaced, yet still felt great in the wet and decent in the occasional light snow. I also had Scorpion ATR AS tyres on my BMW X3 2.5i and I drove that thing through a foot of snow without issue. I have Bridgestone Potenza RE92A all season tyres that came stock on my Genesis coupe 3.8...I have zero complaints about them, but again they are no replacement for proper snow tyres if you live in an area that gets a lot of snow. I myself cannot justify snow tyres when we get one or two days of snow a year.
Conti won't supply the ExtremeContact DWS in Europe as they'd be well below par, due to the American market largely focusing on mileage rather than grip.jon- said:
JumboBeef said:
After reading this thread, I'm going to try some Falken AS200 All Seasons on my Volvo V70, up on Dartmoor as I am....
Read this first: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Is-there-a-tr...(thanks
)CrossClimates are reckoned to be less of a compromise, being both closer to the performance of a summer and a winter tyre.
They're very well reviewed here in Germany.
They look like a perfect choice for an everyday vehicle, I'll be fitting them next to my E90. I will get this winter out of the current set and the summers have a few months left too, they'll be going on in the late autumn of 2016 I reckon.
They're very well reviewed here in Germany.
They look like a perfect choice for an everyday vehicle, I'll be fitting them next to my E90. I will get this winter out of the current set and the summers have a few months left too, they'll be going on in the late autumn of 2016 I reckon.
I'm running Bridgestone A001's - an all season tyre on my Leon and they are excellent, particularly in the typical winter conditions of cold rain. However, in the snow they are really good too, I was unstoppable the last time it snowed. So good, I replaced the first set with another.
Barchettaman said:
CrossClimates are reckoned to be less of a compromise, being both closer to the performance of a summer and a winter tyre.
The only trouble is the Michelin Cross Climates are only available in limited sizes if you drive anything more upmarketthan a Ford or a Vauxhall etc that has larger than 'standard' tyre sizes.
lbc said:
The only trouble is the Michelin Cross Climates are only available in limited sizes if you drive anything more upmarket
than a Ford or a Vauxhall etc that has larger than 'standard' tyre sizes.
Most cars offer a 17 inch wheel alternative for winter?than a Ford or a Vauxhall etc that has larger than 'standard' tyre sizes.
Unless you have like a BMW M5 lol.
225/45/17 will go on 7-8 inch wide wheels.
To be fair reading the test on TyreReviews then the CrossClimate seems to be a brilliant all round tyre.
Wonder what the trade off is, maybe it's longevity.
xjay1337 said:
Wonder what the trade off is, maybe it's longevity.
I've got CC's and I thought what the trade off is being longevity, but the tests say they should last as long as a good summer tyre.So far I would rate they as a wet weather tyre, as not much cold weather so far. But I am sure they will be good. I am not sure if I would replace thou, I got a good deal on them but might just get a good summer/wet weather tyres like contis etc, as the do offer a good tyre but weather isn't really hard-core extreme here and my car isn't a sport car and should get away with good summers.
The Spruce goose said:
xjay1337 said:
Wonder what the trade off is, maybe it's longevity.
I've got CC's and I thought what the trade off is being longevity, but the tests say they should last as long as a good summer tyre.So far I would rate they as a wet weather tyre, as not much cold weather so far. But I am sure they will be good. I am not sure if I would replace thou, I got a good deal on them but might just get a good summer/wet weather tyres like contis etc, as the do offer a good tyre but weather isn't really hard-core extreme here and my car isn't a sport car and should get away with good summers.
The trade off of the CrossClimate is snow handling, and ice performance. Given our recent winters in the south of the UK, this seems like a much better compromise to me than sacrificing dry braking / wet handling.
I find the levels of grip on wet, muddy roads unbelievable. I drive a daily 60 mile round trip commute over b roads and across the Chase, and end up overtaking 4wd's who are driving to their safe conditions, I can overtake with ease and never had/have any scary moments.
They are very good but would love to see them rated against Uniroyal RS3 as I think they are similar from what I have seen.
They are very good but would love to see them rated against Uniroyal RS3 as I think they are similar from what I have seen.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Wednesday 25th November 15:44
jon- said:
Conti won't supply the ExtremeContact DWS in Europe as they'd be well below par, due to the American market largely focusing on mileage rather than grip.
The treadwear was not even that good on them! I will argue that they ARE NOT below par, I had a friend that regularly tracked them on his WRX, and I could not tell a difference in grip on the canyon roads between the summer only tyres they replaced (contisportcontact 2's) On a side note, I spent a winter working at a ski resort in Colorado (think a crap ton of snow). With directional tread, staggared summer only tyres. On a Porsche 944. A couple bags of kitty litter in the hatch and I was good to go, managed through the entire winter, no chains, no winter tyres, no studded snow tyres.
I'm in Canada at the moment and they seem to have the following;
Summer tires, Winter tires, All Season, All Weather.
Its the last group that's interesting - if you have a snowflake symbol on your tires then most insurance companies will give you a reduced insurance premium here. Until recently that was only Winters that carried the symbol.
Nokian, Hankook, Goodyear and few others have brought out All Weather tires with a snowflake.
They perform better than all seasons (which don't have the snowflake) and are almost as good (or better in some tests) than winters.
My dilemma is I have an LR3 (Discovery 3) and cant decide between the Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac - an aggressive all terrain or the Nokian WRG3 SUV - a non aggressive all weather. Both have the snowflake.
I'm worried about road noise from the Duratrac - but it will perform better on dirt roads.
Summer tires, Winter tires, All Season, All Weather.
Its the last group that's interesting - if you have a snowflake symbol on your tires then most insurance companies will give you a reduced insurance premium here. Until recently that was only Winters that carried the symbol.
Nokian, Hankook, Goodyear and few others have brought out All Weather tires with a snowflake.
They perform better than all seasons (which don't have the snowflake) and are almost as good (or better in some tests) than winters.
My dilemma is I have an LR3 (Discovery 3) and cant decide between the Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac - an aggressive all terrain or the Nokian WRG3 SUV - a non aggressive all weather. Both have the snowflake.
I'm worried about road noise from the Duratrac - but it will perform better on dirt roads.
I've run Nokian all season tyres on a BMW 325 during a bad winter and the following summer. They were very good on snow, excellent in deep slush/standing water and much better below 7 degrees in dry conditions than any summer tyre I've run before.
In the summer, they were OK but you would notice the drop in performance and increased road noise.
I then ran dedicated winter tyres last year on a 330 but the winter didn't get harsh enough down here to really put them to the test.
I've now got Nokian summer tyres on the 330 which cope with standing water very well and are a good all round performer at a pretty good price.
In the summer, they were OK but you would notice the drop in performance and increased road noise.
I then ran dedicated winter tyres last year on a 330 but the winter didn't get harsh enough down here to really put them to the test.
I've now got Nokian summer tyres on the 330 which cope with standing water very well and are a good all round performer at a pretty good price.
Happy Eater said:
I'm in Canada at the moment and they seem to have the following;
Summer tires, Winter tires, All Season, All Weather.
Its the last group that's interesting - if you have a snowflake symbol on your tires then most insurance companies will give you a reduced insurance premium here. Until recently that was only Winters that carried the symbol.
All Season tyres in Europe generally (maybe always?) have the 3 peak mountain snowflake symbol. I've got three different brands of All Season and all carry that mark.Summer tires, Winter tires, All Season, All Weather.
Its the last group that's interesting - if you have a snowflake symbol on your tires then most insurance companies will give you a reduced insurance premium here. Until recently that was only Winters that carried the symbol.
Don't know if Canada is the same as US for tyres but I was surprised to see tyres that we know as Summer described as All Season in the US.
Sheepshanks said:
Happy Eater said:
I'm in Canada at the moment and they seem to have the following;
Summer tires, Winter tires, All Season, All Weather.
Its the last group that's interesting - if you have a snowflake symbol on your tires then most insurance companies will give you a reduced insurance premium here. Until recently that was only Winters that carried the symbol.
All Season tyres in Europe generally (maybe always?) have the 3 peak mountain snowflake symbol. I've got three different brands of All Season and all carry that mark.Summer tires, Winter tires, All Season, All Weather.
Its the last group that's interesting - if you have a snowflake symbol on your tires then most insurance companies will give you a reduced insurance premium here. Until recently that was only Winters that carried the symbol.
Don't know if Canada is the same as US for tyres but I was surprised to see tyres that we know as Summer described as All Season in the US.
Something like the Continental ExtremeContact DWS gets amazing reviews in America ( http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/Extr... ) but in reality, it wouldn't offer the performance we're used to in Europe.
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