RE: Porsche Cayman GT4 - official!
Discussion
NJH said:
I get what Rocket fella is on about but I think the point is that nobody (or rather very few) really will buy this and do 10+ track days a year in it. Its more of a car for those who want something a bit special and maybe 4 times a year take it on a proper trip, maybe a Spa weekend or a couple of Goldtrack days at Silverstone etc. For those weekends this car will be epic and the rest of the time just looking at the thing will give one the horn.
NAIL ON THE HEAD there NJH 
No-one here seems to care about the electric steering any more but they should. Porsche are really short-changing their fans there. I expected the Cayman S I drove last year to have some feel. It had none whatsoever. The car responded beautifully to steering inputs of course (hence the confusion) but there was nothing coming back whatsoever.
Most owners will be writing out cheques for well over £80k once the Porsche confleecerator has finished with them.
And a strangled Carrera S engine.
Unless they are now fitting it with the same engine and lying about the power output, either way, this was supposed to be the first Cayman that Porsche have finally let off the leash. Only, the marketing morons in charge of Porsche these days won't let them. It's not as if it will affect 991 sales in any way is it?! Just give it the full 400bhp for that price and have done with it. Don't pay engineers money to reduce the power output just so Porsche can play the game with the 'gen 2' now with 400bhp! What a croc. It's just another reason why I couldn't plough my life savings into the Porsche corporate machine.
Most owners will be writing out cheques for well over £80k once the Porsche confleecerator has finished with them.
And a strangled Carrera S engine.
Unless they are now fitting it with the same engine and lying about the power output, either way, this was supposed to be the first Cayman that Porsche have finally let off the leash. Only, the marketing morons in charge of Porsche these days won't let them. It's not as if it will affect 991 sales in any way is it?! Just give it the full 400bhp for that price and have done with it. Don't pay engineers money to reduce the power output just so Porsche can play the game with the 'gen 2' now with 400bhp! What a croc. It's just another reason why I couldn't plough my life savings into the Porsche corporate machine.
Edited by The Pits on Wednesday 4th February 18:01
The Pits said:
No-one here seems to care about the electric steering any more but they should. Porsche are really short-changing their fans there. I expected the Cayman S I drove last year to have some feel. It had none whatsoever. The car responded beautifully to steering inputs of course (hence the confusion) but there was nothing coming back whatsoever.
Most owners will be writing out cheques for well over £80k once the Porsche confleecerator has finished with them.
It still has McPherson-type struts all round.
And a strangled Carrera S engine.
Unless they are now fitting it with the same engine and lying about the power output, either way, this was supposed to be the first Cayman that Porsche have finally let off the leash. Only, the marketing morons in charge of Porsche these days won't let them. It's not as if it will affect 991 sales in any way is it?! Just give it the full 400bhp for that price and have done with it. Don't pay engineers money to reduce the power output just so Porsche can play the game with the 'gen 2' now with 400bhp! What a croc. It's just another reason why I couldn't plough my life savings into the Porsche corporate machine.
A little harsh, name me a manufacturer of cars or even phones for that matter who doesn't do this? what do you spend you money on that is free of marketing politics?Most owners will be writing out cheques for well over £80k once the Porsche confleecerator has finished with them.
It still has McPherson-type struts all round.
And a strangled Carrera S engine.
Unless they are now fitting it with the same engine and lying about the power output, either way, this was supposed to be the first Cayman that Porsche have finally let off the leash. Only, the marketing morons in charge of Porsche these days won't let them. It's not as if it will affect 991 sales in any way is it?! Just give it the full 400bhp for that price and have done with it. Don't pay engineers money to reduce the power output just so Porsche can play the game with the 'gen 2' now with 400bhp! What a croc. It's just another reason why I couldn't plough my life savings into the Porsche corporate machine.
The Pits said:
No-one here seems to care about the electric steering any more but they should. Porsche are really short-changing their fans there. I expected the Cayman S I drove last year to have some feel. It had none whatsoever. The car responded beautifully to steering inputs of course (hence the confusion) but there was nothing coming back whatsoever.
Most owners will be writing out cheques for well over £80k once the Porsche confleecerator has finished with them.
It still has McPherson-type struts all round.
And a strangled Carrera S engine.
Unless they are now fitting it with the same engine and lying about the power output, either way, this was supposed to be the first Cayman that Porsche have finally let off the leash. Only, the marketing morons in charge of Porsche these days won't let them. It's not as if it will affect 991 sales in any way is it?! Just give it the full 400bhp for that price and have done with it. Don't pay engineers money to reduce the power output just so Porsche can play the game with the 'gen 2' now with 400bhp! What a croc. It's just another reason why I couldn't plough my life savings into the Porsche corporate machine.
It'll sell. Quickly. Not everyone in the market cares as much about steering feel.Most owners will be writing out cheques for well over £80k once the Porsche confleecerator has finished with them.
It still has McPherson-type struts all round.
And a strangled Carrera S engine.
Unless they are now fitting it with the same engine and lying about the power output, either way, this was supposed to be the first Cayman that Porsche have finally let off the leash. Only, the marketing morons in charge of Porsche these days won't let them. It's not as if it will affect 991 sales in any way is it?! Just give it the full 400bhp for that price and have done with it. Don't pay engineers money to reduce the power output just so Porsche can play the game with the 'gen 2' now with 400bhp! What a croc. It's just another reason why I couldn't plough my life savings into the Porsche corporate machine.
The gen 2 will have upgrades. It too will sell. Quickly.
Should they perhaps put a turbo engine in and sell that- or do you think- the 'marketing morons' know their market ever so slightly better than you- a self confessed no sale?
pwafer said:
NJH said:
I get what Rocket fella is on about but I think the point is that nobody (or rather very few) really will buy this and do 10+ track days a year in it. Its more of a car for those who want something a bit special and maybe 4 times a year take it on a proper trip, maybe a Spa weekend or a couple of Goldtrack days at Silverstone etc. For those weekends this car will be epic and the rest of the time just looking at the thing will give one the horn.
NAIL ON THE HEAD there NJH The Pits said:
No-one here seems to care about the electric steering any more but they should. Porsche are really short-changing their fans there. I expected the Cayman S I drove last year to have some feel. It had none whatsoever. The car responded beautifully to steering inputs of course (hence the confusion) but there was nothing coming back whatsoever.
Most owners will be writing out cheques for well over £80k once the Porsche confleecerator has finished with them.
It still has McPherson-type struts all round.
And a strangled Carrera S engine.
Unless they are now fitting it with the same engine and lying about the power output, either way, this was supposed to be the first Cayman that Porsche have finally let off the leash. Only, the marketing morons in charge of Porsche these days won't let them. It's not as if it will affect 991 sales in any way is it?! Just give it the full 400bhp for that price and have done with it. Don't pay engineers money to reduce the power output just so Porsche can play the game with the 'gen 2' now with 400bhp! What a croc. It's just another reason why I couldn't plough my life savings into the Porsche corporate machine.
Who cares about numbers, if you are driving round 911s on the road and track. It's willy waving. This will be a faster and better handling car than all bar the Turbo and GT nmodels.Most owners will be writing out cheques for well over £80k once the Porsche confleecerator has finished with them.
It still has McPherson-type struts all round.
And a strangled Carrera S engine.
Unless they are now fitting it with the same engine and lying about the power output, either way, this was supposed to be the first Cayman that Porsche have finally let off the leash. Only, the marketing morons in charge of Porsche these days won't let them. It's not as if it will affect 991 sales in any way is it?! Just give it the full 400bhp for that price and have done with it. Don't pay engineers money to reduce the power output just so Porsche can play the game with the 'gen 2' now with 400bhp! What a croc. It's just another reason why I couldn't plough my life savings into the Porsche corporate machine.
[quote=The Pits]No-one here seems to care about the electric steering any more but they should. Porsche are really short-changing their fans there. I expected the Cayman S I drove last year to have some feel. It had none whatsoever. The car responded beautifully to steering inputs of course (hence the confusion) but there was nothing coming back whatsoever....'
Totally with you on the steering feel. There is none.
Totally with you on the steering feel. There is none.
You lot give Porsche a very easy time. The general consensus among ph and in car magazines seems to be that Porsche make the ultimate driving machines bar none.
That is just not the case.
Brilliant all-rounders yes, that is their strength. They make daily useable sports cars and there are compromises involved in achieving that. Fine for most people, most of the time - clearly - but they are not the be-all and end-all for fast car fans, which is what we are currently led to believe. A Lotus Exige V6 is harder work for daily use but it offers so much more communication than a Cayman S it's not even funny. The breadth of ability of the Cayman is extraordinary but you can't expect a car that is so at home in London traffic to deliver like a more dedicated, track-focused car around Silverstone. Yet the story we're sold is that it's the best car everywhere. Reality does not square up to that in my experience.
Lotus are about to launch a 400bhp, chargecooled Evora with the finest power steering currently available for a similar price. No doubt there will be queues round the block for the Cayman, premiums flying about too but I would be amazed if even 5% of prospective GT4 owners will even try the Lotus. I have no doubt the GT4 will be an excellent car but its sad that UK buyers can't find a bit more enthusiasm for the sportscars made over here too.
That is just not the case.
Brilliant all-rounders yes, that is their strength. They make daily useable sports cars and there are compromises involved in achieving that. Fine for most people, most of the time - clearly - but they are not the be-all and end-all for fast car fans, which is what we are currently led to believe. A Lotus Exige V6 is harder work for daily use but it offers so much more communication than a Cayman S it's not even funny. The breadth of ability of the Cayman is extraordinary but you can't expect a car that is so at home in London traffic to deliver like a more dedicated, track-focused car around Silverstone. Yet the story we're sold is that it's the best car everywhere. Reality does not square up to that in my experience.
Lotus are about to launch a 400bhp, chargecooled Evora with the finest power steering currently available for a similar price. No doubt there will be queues round the block for the Cayman, premiums flying about too but I would be amazed if even 5% of prospective GT4 owners will even try the Lotus. I have no doubt the GT4 will be an excellent car but its sad that UK buyers can't find a bit more enthusiasm for the sportscars made over here too.
I think you've sort of hit the nail on the head
for s a lot of the GT4 s they will only be road cars
and Porsche know this
so the bias sits towards there
but if you want to take it on a track it will still perform better than most
lotus appear to have it the other way around
I've only been inside Elise's - they are hardly up to the same level of cabin trim IMHO - felt rather more like a kit car
true, very good on a track, but lets be honest - the Cayman will have significantly better road manners and won't exactly disappoint on track for most folks
for s a lot of the GT4 s they will only be road cars
and Porsche know this
so the bias sits towards there
but if you want to take it on a track it will still perform better than most
lotus appear to have it the other way around
I've only been inside Elise's - they are hardly up to the same level of cabin trim IMHO - felt rather more like a kit car
true, very good on a track, but lets be honest - the Cayman will have significantly better road manners and won't exactly disappoint on track for most folks
CJP80 said:
Who cares about numbers, if you are driving round 911s on the road and track. It's willy waving. This will be a faster and better handling car than all bar the Turbo and GT nmodels.
It's not about numbers its about how the engineers restrict a perfectly good 911 engine. Drive a new Cayman S and you can feel the enthusiasm waning over the last 1000rpm compared to the 911. It's such a great engine, and the car deserves the full 345bhp 3.4 flat six that already exists. The chassis is more than capable of handling plenty more. Instead, they launch it with 315bhp and every year we get ten 'more' with each edition. That annoyed me during the test drive, it would drive me nuts as an owner. However good I thought the car it was I would always wonder what it would be like with the extra 30bhp that they paid someone to take away. The same goes for the GT4, however good it is, FFS give it 400bhp. For £80+k it should have at least that.Lotus stuffed the full 345bhp Evora S engine in the cheaper Exige V6 from day one. The Cayman GTS doesn't have '15 bhp more' than a Cayman S, it really has 'now only 10 bhp less' than a 911.
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