Beginners modding - Peugeot 307
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Ignore the vast majority of the hate OP, I had a 307 as my first car and its a perfectly good way of getting A-B. It certainly has a reputation of being unreliable but its more niggles than huge bills, and you will have mild temptations of driving into a wall to remove its stupid ugly gurning face, but other than that its not half bad. Inside is pretty nice and still modern enough to not look that dated.
dazwalsh said:
Ignore the vast majority of the hate OP, I had a 307 as my first car and its a perfectly good way of getting A-B.
It's certainly one way to get from A to B, and sometimes even back to A if you are lucky. On the way you can play dashboard light bingo to keep yourself amused, and also pretend you are the pilot of a tug boat in really bad weather.The 307 was so bad the cars even tried to kill themselves by spontaneously bursting into flames
Steven_RW said:
Most majorly successful people forge their own path and learn from their own mistakes (some make glorious ones before finally learning the right path).
Buying a crap car and plastering it in crap modifications isn't really "forging a path", more like following a worn out path which is littered with McDonalds packaging. If he turns into into some monster turbo 4x4 sleeper then some praise would be due for using an unusual base vehicle.Edited by Mr2Mike on Thursday 12th February 14:00
So I have been without internet for about 2 weeks, or so. Kinda had a house fire and had to move out so I think that warrants a decent excuse to be 'ignoring' this thread!
Long awaited replies:
I'd recommend doing all brakes, discs and pads. Maybe you don't need new discs, but as you say, having done a set you'll know how to change brake discs in the future, so consider that money spent on your "lesson". Maybe even get a kit and rebuild the calipers.
Similarly, a full service on the engine. Cam belt, valve clearances, fluids and filters change. New plugs. Leads and coils if these fandangly new modern cars still have 'em.
Find every little niggle and fix it properly. Electric window packs up? Whip that door card off! Odd rattle? Track that f
ker down!
If you want to lower the car, get and fit some proper coilovers, don't chop the springs like some ape. Oh, and change the bushes while you're at it. In fact, change the bushes anyway.
Can you get a slippy diff for these? Oh, and get proper tyres on it!
These are all things you can learn and then transfer that knowledge to other cars. Also, treat every fault as an opportunity to buy another tool!
Whatever you want to do cosmetically (wheels, stereo, intake system, etc) is up to you but you can't go wrong with getting a good handle on the basics first.
Oh, and have fun!- This post was an absolute pleasure to read!
Firstly, I appreciate how respectful you were; given you disagree with my car of choice, and still continued to pass on quality advice. I like the idea of completely reworking the brakes, discs and pads - as I will be driving stupidly fast, they will (hopefully) be the thing that saves my life.
[Does anyone have an estimate on how much those parts with labour would cost approximately for an MG ZR?]
Yeah I would spring for a LSD, but they cost way too much for the sort of price range of parts I'm after.
Your attitude to fixing things (electric windows point) - like it very much, that's how I plan to treat my future pride and joy!
Is Heineken your favourite beer, and wallpaper paste your favourite food?Is wallpaper paste not your favorite food?! :O
Yeah need to invest in a good set of tools, thanks for the suggestion. The axle stand is a wicked idea, saw the suggestion on a video someone sent me when they were working on a car and hadn't seen one before, just a jack.
Long awaited replies:
BritishRacinGrin said:
A Getz apparently has 65bhp and weighs 1,000kg, so 65bhp/ton.
The 307 has 90 and weighs 1,250kg, so 72bhp/ton.
Taking the example of the MG ZR, 101bhp and 1,135kg- 89bhp/ton.
You will not increase the bhp of the 307 with an exhaust and an induction kit, only the noise.
- yeah it's for the noise, I'm a fan of it. It's nothing to do with whether or not extra horses can be made. I like the relatively slow acceleration time compared to bigger engine cars. It's like all the fun goes away if you get to your target speed in no time at all? For me at least, anywayThe 307 has 90 and weighs 1,250kg, so 72bhp/ton.
Taking the example of the MG ZR, 101bhp and 1,135kg- 89bhp/ton.
You will not increase the bhp of the 307 with an exhaust and an induction kit, only the noise.
crofty1984 said:
jay44 said:
-It's not about the money it will cost p/hr - you're looking at this from completely the wrong angle. It's something I want to do, that is justification enough for me. Who cares if it's a waste, it isn't your money?
Good for you. I have to admit I'm in the "you picked the wrong base car" camp, but that's done now so there you go.I'd recommend doing all brakes, discs and pads. Maybe you don't need new discs, but as you say, having done a set you'll know how to change brake discs in the future, so consider that money spent on your "lesson". Maybe even get a kit and rebuild the calipers.
Similarly, a full service on the engine. Cam belt, valve clearances, fluids and filters change. New plugs. Leads and coils if these fandangly new modern cars still have 'em.
Find every little niggle and fix it properly. Electric window packs up? Whip that door card off! Odd rattle? Track that f
ker down!If you want to lower the car, get and fit some proper coilovers, don't chop the springs like some ape. Oh, and change the bushes while you're at it. In fact, change the bushes anyway.
Can you get a slippy diff for these? Oh, and get proper tyres on it!
These are all things you can learn and then transfer that knowledge to other cars. Also, treat every fault as an opportunity to buy another tool!
Whatever you want to do cosmetically (wheels, stereo, intake system, etc) is up to you but you can't go wrong with getting a good handle on the basics first.
Oh, and have fun!
Firstly, I appreciate how respectful you were; given you disagree with my car of choice, and still continued to pass on quality advice. I like the idea of completely reworking the brakes, discs and pads - as I will be driving stupidly fast, they will (hopefully) be the thing that saves my life.
[Does anyone have an estimate on how much those parts with labour would cost approximately for an MG ZR?]
Yeah I would spring for a LSD, but they cost way too much for the sort of price range of parts I'm after.
Your attitude to fixing things (electric windows point) - like it very much, that's how I plan to treat my future pride and joy!
McFarnsworth said:
jay44 said:
- I really like the design (I'm a very picky person in that sense)
And yet you end up with a 307?Is Heineken your favourite beer, and wallpaper paste your favourite food?
billy939 said:
Get a 306 instead? 
Why not spend the money on an ICE setup? At least then you could take most of it away with you for your next car?
My friend had a 307 1.4 as his first car and traded it in for a Saxo Vtr which was much better, my old Saxo that I sold him though!
Good tyres, Good brakes, Eibach springs, keep it very clean, de-badge it, Osram bulbs, K & N induction?
I personally wouldn't spend too much on it, however that is the list of things I would expect you to go for and not be disappointed with it afterwards
-What is an ICE setup? A quick google didn't provide many answers, but looks like a sound system? Already ordred a K&N filter and Osram nightbreakers Why not spend the money on an ICE setup? At least then you could take most of it away with you for your next car?
My friend had a 307 1.4 as his first car and traded it in for a Saxo Vtr which was much better, my old Saxo that I sold him though!
Good tyres, Good brakes, Eibach springs, keep it very clean, de-badge it, Osram bulbs, K & N induction?
I personally wouldn't spend too much on it, however that is the list of things I would expect you to go for and not be disappointed with it afterwards
pablo said:
I thin kthe issue is the interpretation of the word "modifications", to some its a legacy from a previous generation where the mechanics of the car were more accessible and you would take an existing part and improve it through your own skill and effort such as head porting etc.
-Yeah, I wasn't aware of the difference, but servicing the car is also important to meAphex said:
This first:
https://www.google.co.uk/shopping/product/48626344...
Advice: Never rely solely on a jack, always use an axle stand. People are squishy.
Get on an owners forum and go nuts buying parts, sure you'll lose money but you'll most likely be enjoying yourself.
And as for not expecting the reaction you've got, I can honestly say nearly everyone that read your first post was expecting what happened. Just gotta accept PH is like that.
-Haha this guy ^^https://www.google.co.uk/shopping/product/48626344...
Advice: Never rely solely on a jack, always use an axle stand. People are squishy.
Get on an owners forum and go nuts buying parts, sure you'll lose money but you'll most likely be enjoying yourself.
And as for not expecting the reaction you've got, I can honestly say nearly everyone that read your first post was expecting what happened. Just gotta accept PH is like that.
Yeah need to invest in a good set of tools, thanks for the suggestion. The axle stand is a wicked idea, saw the suggestion on a video someone sent me when they were working on a car and hadn't seen one before, just a jack.
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jay44 said:
- yeah it's for the noise, I'm a fan of it. It's nothing to do with whether or not extra horses can be made. I like the relatively slow acceleration time compared to bigger engine cars. It's like all the fun goes away if you get to your target speed in no time at all? For me at least, anyway
This is something I do agree with. Having a low powered car definitely adds an extra element to driving that can be a lot of fun, though it can also be hugely frustrating (e.g. people putting their foot down slightly to scupper an overtake). However you really need a decent handling car to make the best of low power engines and this is where the 307 falls flat on it's lardy sides. Squeezing the last drop of performance out of a a 1.0L Saxo is fun, but not so much in a soggy old 307.idk, there are some mean replies on this thread but I can understand why. My experience of 'modding' cars is that it generally made the car worse (run/sound/go worse), cost a small fortune AND made the car less valuable at the same time.
I don't think there is anything wrong with a 307, or some of the other options mentioned.......... but if it were me and I were buying my first car again I might try and get something that has retro appeal and potential to be a future classic and might hold its value well. Then I would limit my 'modding' to things that would improve the condition, appeal and value of the car. Also have all the work done professionally, not at bill & bobs backstreet bodge-it garage.
I don't think there is anything wrong with a 307, or some of the other options mentioned.......... but if it were me and I were buying my first car again I might try and get something that has retro appeal and potential to be a future classic and might hold its value well. Then I would limit my 'modding' to things that would improve the condition, appeal and value of the car. Also have all the work done professionally, not at bill & bobs backstreet bodge-it garage.
pablo said:
If I recall the vast majority of head gasket failures were on the 1.8 and not the 1.4, the k series was designed as a 1400cc and the failures appeaer to be as a result of the increased bore and stroke. Head gasket change, cylinder head skim and ancillaries etc on an 1800cc ZR will be about £500-600. There is a wealth of info out there on the K series engines as they were in the Elise S1 too.
If you did want a ZR but wanted some increased reliability, You could put a different engine in it, the T-series is a popular conversion and was in various Rovers including the 220 turbo and the 400/600 series and arent known to suffer from head gasket issues.
- An engine replacement is serious money and labour costs when I'm only paying about £1.2k for the motor!.If you did want a ZR but wanted some increased reliability, You could put a different engine in it, the T-series is a popular conversion and was in various Rovers including the 220 turbo and the 400/600 series and arent known to suffer from head gasket issues.
R2T2 said:
The 307 is a bad place to start, if you want to modify a car, go forced induction.
Although not a fan of then, a Golf GTI/Seat Ibiza FR would be a better tuning prospect than a Peugeot because it's turbocharged.
You can remap it, put a bigger intercooler in it, uprate the turbo, fit a Limited Slip Diff, upgrade the diverter valve so it actually sounds like a turbocharged car. (think 90's jap choo!) You can then move on to upgrading the wheels AND tyres, suspension, brakes, exhaust and any other little mods you want to do (Well I would do the brakes and suspension work first, in fact I already have on mine)
Then you'll have a seriously quick, (if done right) sleeper type car that would keep up with the modern day hot hatches.
Total build cost? about 5-6k.
You can do/not do as you wish.
- Please read the above quote too, no point spending that much on parts when the car isn't even a quarter the priceAlthough not a fan of then, a Golf GTI/Seat Ibiza FR would be a better tuning prospect than a Peugeot because it's turbocharged.
You can remap it, put a bigger intercooler in it, uprate the turbo, fit a Limited Slip Diff, upgrade the diverter valve so it actually sounds like a turbocharged car. (think 90's jap choo!) You can then move on to upgrading the wheels AND tyres, suspension, brakes, exhaust and any other little mods you want to do (Well I would do the brakes and suspension work first, in fact I already have on mine)
Then you'll have a seriously quick, (if done right) sleeper type car that would keep up with the modern day hot hatches.
Total build cost? about 5-6k.
You can do/not do as you wish.
dazwalsh said:
Ignore the vast majority of the hate OP, I had a 307 as my first car and its a perfectly good way of getting A-B. It certainly has a reputation of being unreliable but its more niggles than huge bills, and you will have mild temptations of driving into a wall to remove its stupid ugly gurning face, but other than that its not half bad. Inside is pretty nice and still modern enough to not look that dated.
- Don't worry, they don't get to me! Ciid said:
I would choose a Megane Coupé I phase 2. Very nice chassis, engine and looks.
- we have VERY different taste in cars..Exactly the reason why you would need to start with a better car, such as a forced induction engine. The only way to get serious increases from naturally aspirated engines coats serious money and usually contain a conversion to forced induction. Let the major companies do the hard work for you making it turbo.
Mine, for example, 120hp from a 1.4, if I spent 2k on it I could get it touching 250 hp, but it will still involve an element of bespoke maching/mapping.
It's choice, but a na 307 ismt a good place to start. Mod when you have a car that can respond well to them.
Mine, for example, 120hp from a 1.4, if I spent 2k on it I could get it touching 250 hp, but it will still involve an element of bespoke maching/mapping.
It's choice, but a na 307 ismt a good place to start. Mod when you have a car that can respond well to them.
jay44 said:
I like the idea of completely reworking the brakes, discs and pads - as I will be driving stupidly fast, they will (hopefully) be the thing that saves my life.
I stopped reading at this point - you won't be driving stupidly fast in a 90hp 307 or a 101hp ZR, and the thing that saves your life won't be the brakes - it will be not driving like a tit in the first place.I'd suggest that if you're approaching driving with this mindset, you need to refocus before someone gets hurt.
Edited by Mr Happy on Sunday 1st March 16:57
Mr Happy said:
I stopped reading at this point - you won't be driving stupidly fast in a 90hp 307 or a 101hp ZR, and the thing that saves your life won't be the brakes - it will be not driving like a tit in the first place.
I'd suggest that if you're approaching driving with this mindset, you need to refocus before someone gets hurt.
It was so stupid, I assumed the OP was just taking the wee a bit with that reply? If he was serious then I fully agree; it's the attitude of a monumental cock.I'd suggest that if you're approaching driving with this mindset, you need to refocus before someone gets hurt.
OP ignore all the negative comments.
What you have to remember on here is that 90% of PH Lease Golf Rs and so don't understand the modifying mentality.
Unless your rich and are putting money into a classic Ferrari or the like 99% of cars are going to lose you money in the long run, most are depreciating assets.
If you want to spend money on modifying your car good for you! You've already acknowledged you'll not get the money back. Some people prefer expensive holidays, others prefer buying packs of cigarettes, everyone has hobbies, etc.
As for a list of mods? Don't go chasing power. It's only a 1.4
Upgrades the Discs and pads
Give it a full Service
Better tyres
Get some Osram bulbs fitted
Look at upgrading the head unit / speakers if the current sound system is naff.
What you have to remember on here is that 90% of PH Lease Golf Rs and so don't understand the modifying mentality.
Unless your rich and are putting money into a classic Ferrari or the like 99% of cars are going to lose you money in the long run, most are depreciating assets.
If you want to spend money on modifying your car good for you! You've already acknowledged you'll not get the money back. Some people prefer expensive holidays, others prefer buying packs of cigarettes, everyone has hobbies, etc.
As for a list of mods? Don't go chasing power. It's only a 1.4
Upgrades the Discs and pads
Give it a full Service
Better tyres
Get some Osram bulbs fitted
Look at upgrading the head unit / speakers if the current sound system is naff.
Falsey said:
jay44 said:
I like the relatively slow acceleration time compared to bigger engine cars. It's like all the fun goes away if you get to your target speed in no time at all? For me at least, anyway
Joeguard1990 said:
As for a list of mods? Don't go chasing power. It's only a 1.4
Upgrades the Discs and pads
Give it a full Service
Better tyres
Get some Osram bulbs fitted
Look at upgrading the head unit / speakers if the current sound system is naff.
Servicing a car and fitting decent tyre are not 'mods', they are basic maintenance.Upgrades the Discs and pads
Give it a full Service
Better tyres
Get some Osram bulbs fitted
Look at upgrading the head unit / speakers if the current sound system is naff.
Upgraded discs and pads are expensive and pointless on such a low powered road car; quality original or aftermarket OEM specification parts should be perfectly adequate unless it's going on a track.
Decent headlamp bulbs are a good idea; a sensible upgrade that actually improves the car.
Poopipe said:
I cant disagree with that im some ways - if you can hit triple figures in 10 seconds you really dont get much time to enjoy the noise or the fact your foot is welded to the floor. I got more out of wringing my 172 out in a straight line than either of the two much faster cars I've had since.
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