Beginners modding - Peugeot 307
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CarAbuser said:
ey bruv get urself on of dees
http://www.stxstyling.co.uk/StxStyling/Cars/showit...
i got one best 100£ i spent ever, i recon i gettin 10hp at least innit and sounds sik bruv.
all my mate said ey yo ur zorst is wikkid respekt
LOL hilarious!http://www.stxstyling.co.uk/StxStyling/Cars/showit...
i got one best 100£ i spent ever, i recon i gettin 10hp at least innit and sounds sik bruv.
all my mate said ey yo ur zorst is wikkid respekt
Your ability to simultaneously mock and hold the moral high ground is impressive. 10/10 - would read again
Oh wait...
OP, go for it. If you want to put scoops on the bonnet and 20 inch chrome wheels on your car then do it. You seem not to give a flying toss what others think, and I like that. Whether or not you will regret spending this money is a different matter, cross that bridge when you come to it imo.
I'm with you on wanting to piss about with what others consider a POS, I'm a teenager on his first car. Its a W reg polo with a puny 60hp, but its my pride and joy. I have recently started doing small mods to my car that I'm sure most of the dinosaurs on here would disagree with, but I don't care. If I ever see a slammed 307 covered in bells and whistles, I will make sure to give a toot of my pathetically feminine horn and a wave from my *POS* car. Embrace the petrolhead within!!
Drive safe and good luck
*best car to ever grace this planet with its presence*
I'm with you on wanting to piss about with what others consider a POS, I'm a teenager on his first car. Its a W reg polo with a puny 60hp, but its my pride and joy. I have recently started doing small mods to my car that I'm sure most of the dinosaurs on here would disagree with, but I don't care. If I ever see a slammed 307 covered in bells and whistles, I will make sure to give a toot of my pathetically feminine horn and a wave from my *POS* car. Embrace the petrolhead within!!
Drive safe and good luck
*best car to ever grace this planet with its presence*
BritishRacinGrin said:
You have no obligation to give my opinion any credence but this is an open forum for opinions and guess what, you're going to get opinions.
-fair point, I've amended my original post. Was just reacting to the overload of negativity, that's all.Edited by BritishRacinGrin on Tuesday 10th February 05:39
RenOHH said:
Of all the options out there, why a 307?!
You can't polish this turd. Well you can, but it'll still be a turd.
- I really like the design (I'm a very picky person in that sense)You can't polish this turd. Well you can, but it'll still be a turd.
- It's a 1.4 with 85+ bhp (first and previous car was a 1.1 getz, had 65 I think, piece of s***)
- 5 seats, 5 doors and plenty of space
- Cheap insurance
- Parts are cheap enough and easy enough to come by
The rest doesn't really bother me
Bennet said:
Make sure you keep a link to this thread and re-read it in a couple of years' time.
Your OP doesn't make it clear if you've actually bought a 307 yet or not. If there's still any chance of rescuing you from this folly, consider an MG ZR. 1.4, 105 hp. A "+" model will have skirts and 17" wheels. A good car for learning about handling and steering feel and still just about looks good.
I know I'm the noob here, but this made me laugh!Your OP doesn't make it clear if you've actually bought a 307 yet or not. If there's still any chance of rescuing you from this folly, consider an MG ZR. 1.4, 105 hp. A "+" model will have skirts and 17" wheels. A good car for learning about handling and steering feel and still just about looks good.
Edited by Bennet on Tuesday 10th February 09:26
My brother told me to stay well away from MG ZR's and I trust his word blindly. He's very familiar with motors, and for him to say no is enough for me to not even consider. After reading up myself a few months back when it was a considered option, I read up that the car is extremely susceptible to a blown head gasket, which has horrible secondary effects to a motor. I really like the car personally, but I've not heard a good word about them
monthefish said:
RenOHH said:
Of all the options out there, why a 307?!
You can't polish this turd. Well you can, but it'll still be a turd.
May I politely suggest you get a better car yourself before being so rude about others' cars.You can't polish this turd. Well you can, but it'll still be a turd.
Kj159 said:
OP, go for it. If you want to put scoops on the bonnet and 20 inch chrome wheels on your car then do it. You seem not to give a flying toss what others think, and I like that. Whether or not you will regret spending this money is a different matter, cross that bridge when you come to it imo.
I'm with you on wanting to piss about with what others consider a POS, I'm a teenager on his first car. Its a W reg polo with a puny 60hp, but its my pride and joy. I have recently started doing small mods to my car that I'm sure most of the dinosaurs on here would disagree with, but I don't care. If I ever see a slammed 307 covered in bells and whistles, I will make sure to give a toot of my pathetically feminine horn and a wave from my *POS* car. Embrace the petrolhead within!!
Drive safe and good luck
*best car to ever grace this planet with its presence*
(new to forums in general, not sure what POS is?) I'm with you on wanting to piss about with what others consider a POS, I'm a teenager on his first car. Its a W reg polo with a puny 60hp, but its my pride and joy. I have recently started doing small mods to my car that I'm sure most of the dinosaurs on here would disagree with, but I don't care. If I ever see a slammed 307 covered in bells and whistles, I will make sure to give a toot of my pathetically feminine horn and a wave from my *POS* car. Embrace the petrolhead within!!
Drive safe and good luck
*best car to ever grace this planet with its presence*
cheers in general though! it's part of life to look back on
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jay44 said:
RenOHH said:
Of all the options out there, why a 307?!
- I really like the design (I'm a very picky person in that sense)- It's a 1.4 with 85+ bhp (first and previous car was a 1.1 getz, had 65 I think, piece of s***)
- 5 seats, 5 doors and plenty of space
- Cheap insurance
- Parts are cheap enough and easy enough to come by
The rest doesn't really bother me
Physics, my friend.
A Getz apparently has 65bhp and weighs 1,000kg, so 65bhp/ton.
The 307 has 90 and weighs 1,250kg, so 72bhp/ton.
Taking the example of the MG ZR, 101bhp and 1,135kg- 89bhp/ton.
You will not increase the bhp of the 307 with an exhaust and an induction kit, only the noise.
jay44 said:
Bennet said:
Make sure you keep a link to this thread and re-read it in a couple of years' time.
Your OP doesn't make it clear if you've actually bought a 307 yet or not. If there's still any chance of rescuing you from this folly, consider an MG ZR. 1.4, 105 hp. A "+" model will have skirts and 17" wheels. A good car for learning about handling and steering feel and still just about looks good.
I know I'm the noob here, but this made me laugh!Your OP doesn't make it clear if you've actually bought a 307 yet or not. If there's still any chance of rescuing you from this folly, consider an MG ZR. 1.4, 105 hp. A "+" model will have skirts and 17" wheels. A good car for learning about handling and steering feel and still just about looks good.
My brother told me to stay well away from MG ZR's and I trust his word blindly. He's very familiar with motors, and for him to say no is enough for me to not even consider. After reading up myself a few months back when it was a considered option, I read up that the car is extremely susceptible to a blown head gasket, which has horrible secondary effects to a motor. I really like the car personally, but I've not heard a good word about them
Have you googled '307 common problems'?
Everybody here is slating your car choice for good reason, it was a flaky car when new and it excelled in no area in particular while also being below average for reliability. A decade or so on, running a 307 is to me a miserable prospect. There are so many better cars.
This is exactly the kind of bad decision reached when a person who's new to motoring decides that 'looks' and 'bhp' are the be-all and end-all. You cannot buy a car on facts and figures alone.
The idea of taking such a poor car and somehow making it cool with 'mods' just makes me cringe.
What Car on the 307:
"If you must have a petrol, avoid the asthmatic 1.4 that struggles with the 307's bulk. The 1.6 is a better option and our preferred petrol, as the 138bhp 2.0-litre engine is lively, but needs to be worked hard.
The 1.4 and 1.6 petrol have particularly low servicing costs, but every model in the range is reasonably cheap to keep happy. However, if something does go wrong, you can pay fairly dearly to get it put right.
JD Power customer satisfaction surveys show that 307 owners are most unhappy with mechanical reliability and interior quality, but they're also not chuffed with exterior quality, vehicle performance or dealer service either. So, there's a lengthy checklist of potential problems.
Indicator stalks can fail, so make sure every function on them works and that they feel solid when you take a test drive. Head gaskets often give up the ghost on some early 1.4 petrols, so avoid them unless you're handy with a spanner or fancy becoming a generous benefactor to your local workshop.
Suspension faults are also fairly common, even on recent examples, so if a car is noisy or lurches about on the test drive, walk away.
Finally, since 2002, Peugeot has recalled the 307 more than 15 times for various faults covering a range of items including the ignition, seatbelt anchorage points and fuel leaks. Visit www.vosa.gov.uk to find out what was necessary and then check the logbook to see it's been done."
The 307 sound like an absolute gem, particularly with the 1.4 petrol engine....
"If you must have a petrol, avoid the asthmatic 1.4 that struggles with the 307's bulk. The 1.6 is a better option and our preferred petrol, as the 138bhp 2.0-litre engine is lively, but needs to be worked hard.
The 1.4 and 1.6 petrol have particularly low servicing costs, but every model in the range is reasonably cheap to keep happy. However, if something does go wrong, you can pay fairly dearly to get it put right.
JD Power customer satisfaction surveys show that 307 owners are most unhappy with mechanical reliability and interior quality, but they're also not chuffed with exterior quality, vehicle performance or dealer service either. So, there's a lengthy checklist of potential problems.
Indicator stalks can fail, so make sure every function on them works and that they feel solid when you take a test drive. Head gaskets often give up the ghost on some early 1.4 petrols, so avoid them unless you're handy with a spanner or fancy becoming a generous benefactor to your local workshop.
Suspension faults are also fairly common, even on recent examples, so if a car is noisy or lurches about on the test drive, walk away.
Finally, since 2002, Peugeot has recalled the 307 more than 15 times for various faults covering a range of items including the ignition, seatbelt anchorage points and fuel leaks. Visit www.vosa.gov.uk to find out what was necessary and then check the logbook to see it's been done."
The 307 sound like an absolute gem, particularly with the 1.4 petrol engine....
My 307 suffered from both rear coils snapping, blowing bulbs on a weekly basis, busted radiator, blown head-gasket, juddering clutch, an anti-pollution fault that turned out to be a crack in the manifold and then which needed a software update. Peugeot wanted over a grand to rectify it, it was a good job I have a friend who owns a garage and who fixed it for me for £400, and finally a flat spot that no garage could ever find the cause of.
If the 307 really is your dream first car to modify, who am I to tell you that I find it hateful so, do what you like ultimately. I will try to steer you in the right direction however but, feel free to wipe your bum with your £20's if you want; I don't care.
Do nothing to the engine. Intakes generally provide the best HP advantages when screaming towards the redline (NA) or within the optimum efficiency range of a turbocharger but, for a low powered NA engine with no performance hardware or software, you run the risk of gaining nothing, or losing power. There is generally a small trade-off between torque and HP where cone filters are concerned, whereby you may lose some low-end torque but gain some high-end HP...if anything happens at all. This is generally bad for a daily driven street car, where a gutless pick-up is frustrating however, on a drag strip you'll appreciate that the car wants to breathe.
The above may not bother you so, at the very least you're going to gain an ugly "bwwoar" sound when you load the engine unnecessarily in the wrong gear if that's your thing.
The 307 is ugly, period, so any choice of wheels that aren't OE Peugeot are going to look naff. Been here, done this, and after an expensive lesson in money wasting I reverted back to OE alloy wheels on my first car with sticky tyres and blasted round corners with good fun and comfort. If you must, look at alloys from other Peugeot models (maybe older ones) if you want to be different.
Brakes? There's nothing out there short of fully track preparing this car that's going to be better than standard pads and discs; leave alone.
Bulbs? Stay legal with Osram. You'll have reflector type headlamps which are not desighed for HID bulbs; they are also illegal/MOT failure/subject to Police defect notice.
Lowering? Sure! Just make sure that if you do this its using a matched spring/shock package manufactured by a well known brand. You'll appreciate the sharper cornering and shouldn't upset the geo as much as you may with a poor quality, overly low coil over kit.
Body? There's not a lot you can do. Maybe de-chrome a couple of bits if you like.
Exhaust? Much the same sentiment as the intake as it has potential to lose you power. It'll sound crap because it's a little four-pot with no performance pedigree.
Seats? Wasted money.
I suppose that's it. Ideally if learning is what you want to do, just get busy with the servicing as changing standard parts for new naff parts doesn't help you learn anything more than changing a standard air filter would.
If I were you, I'd go for an old Peugeot 106 Quicksilver, Saxo West Coast or perhaps a MK1 106 XSi (1.4 model). All have a 1.4L but very light and are very fun with some lightweight wheels, stiffer suspension, slightly stripped interior and to be honest, a subtle exhaust back box wouldn't be out of place (forget the air filter). They'd all allow you to learn and gain some fun from your driving, maybe even lend themselves to some novice track time where you'd appreciate the areas that need improving suspension wise. The performance parts market for these cars is huge and very cheap and, with good mods they'll out corner a lot of cars.
You may not be going fast in a straight line but, there's a huge adrenaline rush to be had from whipping around country roads quickly and safely within the cars/your limits.
Do nothing to the engine. Intakes generally provide the best HP advantages when screaming towards the redline (NA) or within the optimum efficiency range of a turbocharger but, for a low powered NA engine with no performance hardware or software, you run the risk of gaining nothing, or losing power. There is generally a small trade-off between torque and HP where cone filters are concerned, whereby you may lose some low-end torque but gain some high-end HP...if anything happens at all. This is generally bad for a daily driven street car, where a gutless pick-up is frustrating however, on a drag strip you'll appreciate that the car wants to breathe.
The above may not bother you so, at the very least you're going to gain an ugly "bwwoar" sound when you load the engine unnecessarily in the wrong gear if that's your thing.
The 307 is ugly, period, so any choice of wheels that aren't OE Peugeot are going to look naff. Been here, done this, and after an expensive lesson in money wasting I reverted back to OE alloy wheels on my first car with sticky tyres and blasted round corners with good fun and comfort. If you must, look at alloys from other Peugeot models (maybe older ones) if you want to be different.
Brakes? There's nothing out there short of fully track preparing this car that's going to be better than standard pads and discs; leave alone.
Bulbs? Stay legal with Osram. You'll have reflector type headlamps which are not desighed for HID bulbs; they are also illegal/MOT failure/subject to Police defect notice.
Lowering? Sure! Just make sure that if you do this its using a matched spring/shock package manufactured by a well known brand. You'll appreciate the sharper cornering and shouldn't upset the geo as much as you may with a poor quality, overly low coil over kit.
Body? There's not a lot you can do. Maybe de-chrome a couple of bits if you like.
Exhaust? Much the same sentiment as the intake as it has potential to lose you power. It'll sound crap because it's a little four-pot with no performance pedigree.
Seats? Wasted money.
I suppose that's it. Ideally if learning is what you want to do, just get busy with the servicing as changing standard parts for new naff parts doesn't help you learn anything more than changing a standard air filter would.
If I were you, I'd go for an old Peugeot 106 Quicksilver, Saxo West Coast or perhaps a MK1 106 XSi (1.4 model). All have a 1.4L but very light and are very fun with some lightweight wheels, stiffer suspension, slightly stripped interior and to be honest, a subtle exhaust back box wouldn't be out of place (forget the air filter). They'd all allow you to learn and gain some fun from your driving, maybe even lend themselves to some novice track time where you'd appreciate the areas that need improving suspension wise. The performance parts market for these cars is huge and very cheap and, with good mods they'll out corner a lot of cars.
You may not be going fast in a straight line but, there's a huge adrenaline rush to be had from whipping around country roads quickly and safely within the cars/your limits.
jay44 said:
- I really like the design (I'm a very picky person in that sense)
- It's a 1.4 with 85+ bhp (first and previous car was a 1.1 getz, had 65 I think, piece of s***)
- Cheap insurance
The first point seems incredible to me but I guess it takes all kinds. The 307 is an oversized minivan turd, especially compared to its lovely predecessor, the 306.- It's a 1.4 with 85+ bhp (first and previous car was a 1.1 getz, had 65 I think, piece of s***)
- Cheap insurance
Have you priced up the impact on your insurance that any modifications will have? Illegal xenons, lowered suspension, different wheels, modified brakes, loud exhaust etc - how do you think you'll look from an insurance risk perspective?
The MG ZR is a fantastic suggestion, especially in comparison to the 307.
A 307 wouldn't be my choice, but I know you're not asking for opinions on your choice. In terms of mods, I'd have a look at higher spec 307s and see if there are any parts you can replace....nicer alloys and interior for example. Would look better and wouldn't cost too much, without being chav. I doubt there's much you can do to coax anything resembling noticeable performance enhancements, so I wouldn't bother.
Squishey said:
monthefish said:
RenOHH said:
Of all the options out there, why a 307?!
You can't polish this turd. Well you can, but it'll still be a turd.
May I politely suggest you get a better car yourself before being so rude about others' cars.You can't polish this turd. Well you can, but it'll still be a turd.
I'm sure a Ferrari/AM owner will be along in a minute to trash talk the relatively common 911 Turbo
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