RE: Ferrari 612 Scaglietti manual: PH Carpool
Discussion
Cracking car and V12 manual values are already firming up. Keep it for a few years and it will make money. Already interesting to see the gulf in F1 to manual prices. Does make me wonder if these might go the way of the Vanquish where £20K for a manual conversion might just make sense. If you haven't done a Pistonheads search for any car which has a V12 and manual gearbox I would heartily recommend it - makes for interesting reading once you've weeded out the automated manuals.
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Interestingly, it has always felt to me that there were more than 7 rhd manuals in circulation. I looked at 3 in short succession before buying mine in early 2013 (still got it). I reckoned on there being c10% of 612s in manual which would take you to more like 30 cars. Even if wrong, 7 feels very light as it would imply I saw half of all the UK population in a few months which seems unlikely
Purely out of interest, does anyone here know if there's any disparity between the new and secondhand markets in demand for autos or manuals in cars like this? It just seems that everyone I speak to about secondhand Ferraris and Astons wants a manual gearbox (and I'm sure if we had a poll here it would reflect that), but the majority of new cars of this type seem to be specced with auto boxes. Is this perhaps because new cars are often bought as merely very nice company cars by directors and CEOs etc who are't interested in driving, whereas the secondhand market is more typically made up of people who've saved up for their dream car over many years and as such love cars and driving? I know personally that if I'd saved up enough to buy a 612 I wouldn't be wanting an auto (and besides, I promised my wife before we got married that we'd never own an auto!).
Gorbyrev said:
Cracking car and V12 manual values are already firming up. Keep it for a few years and it will make money. Already interesting to see the gulf in F1 to manual prices. Does make me wonder if these might go the way of the Vanquish where £20K for a manual conversion might just make sense. If you haven't done a Pistonheads search for any car which has a V12 and manual gearbox I would heartily recommend it - makes for interesting reading once you've weeded out the automated manuals.
This type of operation has been extensivly discussed on Ferrari Chat, mainly by 575M owners wanting to replace the F1 system.The cost was worked out to be significant $20,000 for the labour and then you have to find the donor gearbox. As I understand it Aston will fit and supply you a box for £20,000.
I'm not sure about 612's but on Maranellos I put the 575M f1 versus 575 Manual diff at about £30 k and widening.
So I would say the swap is not viable, yet.
Its interesting as 575M owners had to pay a premium for the F1 box, the moral being that the "latest thing" will soon not be the "latest thing".
jimmyslr said:
Interestingly, it has always felt to me that there were more than 7 rhd manuals in circulation. I looked at 3 in short succession before buying mine in early 2013 (still got it). I reckoned on there being c10% of 612s in manual which would take you to more like 30 cars. Even if wrong, 7 feels very light as it would imply I saw half of all the UK population in a few months which seems unlikely
Numbers are definitely very low ... as evidenced by the second largest RHD market at the time Australia, which received just 3 examples with the Manual Gearbox. Interestingly, there is one for sale currently asking c.100k sterling - http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Ferrari-...have a manual myself and I must admit after 4 years I of ownership it has just got better and better. have tried the auto and the difference is night and day. as far as actual manuals out there the figure is around the 12 mark and that was when production ceased so take in the total losses etc and we are looking today at no more than 10 examples in the country .
for the exhaust system I replaced mines with a sports system from Nouvalari and trust me when I say there is not a finer sound when the pipes bark as you change up or down the box cost for the system was around £900 which considering hand made in stainless steel ain't to bad .So after all this is it going to be the next big thing in must have classic ferrari s we'll I tell you I wouldn't bet against it .
Ps there is a short clip of the car on stainless creations facebook page have a wee listen and you will see what I mean.
for the exhaust system I replaced mines with a sports system from Nouvalari and trust me when I say there is not a finer sound when the pipes bark as you change up or down the box cost for the system was around £900 which considering hand made in stainless steel ain't to bad .So after all this is it going to be the next big thing in must have classic ferrari s we'll I tell you I wouldn't bet against it .
Ps there is a short clip of the car on stainless creations facebook page have a wee listen and you will see what I mean.
250GTE said:
Gorbyrev said:
Cracking car and V12 manual values are already firming up. Keep it for a few years and it will make money. Already interesting to see the gulf in F1 to manual prices. Does make me wonder if these might go the way of the Vanquish where £20K for a manual conversion might just make sense. If you haven't done a Pistonheads search for any car which has a V12 and manual gearbox I would heartily recommend it - makes for interesting reading once you've weeded out the automated manuals.
This type of operation has been extensivly discussed on Ferrari Chat, mainly by 575M owners wanting to replace the F1 system.The cost was worked out to be significant $20,000 for the labour and then you have to find the donor gearbox. As I understand it Aston will fit and supply you a box for £20,000.
I'm not sure about 612's but on Maranellos I put the 575M f1 versus 575 Manual diff at about £30 k and widening.
So I would say the swap is not viable, yet.
Its interesting as 575M owners had to pay a premium for the F1 box, the moral being that the "latest thing" will soon not be the "latest thing".
I remember seeing a Vid about Aston's workshop....I think there's a year's wait to have the gearbox conversion done and you very rarely see converted cars for sale.
estacion said:
jimmyslr said:
Interestingly, it has always felt to me that there were more than 7 rhd manuals in circulation. I looked at 3 in short succession before buying mine in early 2013 (still got it). I reckoned on there being c10% of 612s in manual which would take you to more like 30 cars. Even if wrong, 7 feels very light as it would imply I saw half of all the UK population in a few months which seems unlikely
Numbers are definitely very low ... as evidenced by the second largest RHD market at the time Australia, which received just 3 examples with the Manual Gearbox. Interestingly, there is one for sale currently asking c.100k sterling - http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Ferrari-...If that car was in Sydney I would have a look. But Brisbane is too far for a jolly on a maybe.
Would be good to have a second V12 manual in the fleet though..
anonymous said:
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Err no, that was not including the transmission case, you have to do that yourself with your own needles.I will look on the US thread but I do remember the job was more complex than a simple unbolt the old , bolt on the new job, Possibly something to do with the ECU.
Anyway, back in the UK I have been lucky with Donkey labour and I run a '61 250GTE (a pretty simple machine with a strong engine) and an 02 575 M (manual).
The latter seems very well built, I think 2000's Ferrari's were a huge step up in quality, the V12 (basically the same as the 612's) still have belts but these are now Kevlar and easy to change. Most problems seem to relate to the F1 change which I don't have.
My specialist charges me £70 p/h and more importantly is very fair.
Jonny TVR said:
was the auto box sorted out by the time of the 599 and were there any manual 599's? were the late 612 auto's better than the early ones?
There were no manual 599s for the UK market (unless you have appetite for a LHD car), according to Chris Harris iirc?Surely, Alonso and Massa (and their predecessors) are to blame. The obsession with paddle-shifts (flappy paddles, whatever you call them) - started on the race track...
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