RE: Subaru WRX STI: PH Fleet
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makes me miss my blob eye STi
Loved to get the mudgflaps scraping on the ground in a bend (and that's after refitting them in the high position) and the occasional terrifying lack of initial bite in the brembo brakes due to pad knock back when cornering.
That said, it was my Evo v that really showed how it should be done, so much more the animal !
Loved to get the mudgflaps scraping on the ground in a bend (and that's after refitting them in the high position) and the occasional terrifying lack of initial bite in the brembo brakes due to pad knock back when cornering.
That said, it was my Evo v that really showed how it should be done, so much more the animal !
Max_Torque said:
DanielSan said:
Max_Torque said:
2015 VW Golf R 165g/km
2015 Subaru Sti 242g/km
Say no more!
Given the half litre extra capacity it's hardly a surprise it produces slightly higher emissions... 2015 Subaru Sti 242g/km
Say no more!
It's a dinosaur! ;-)
PunterCam said:
You can stick an extra grand on the price to tax it too. And the fuel consumption makes it unbearable in real life... Half the road tax, 50% better fuel consumption, much better residuales... Of course people are buying German (and Ford, and Renault, and Fiat, and soon to be Honda)... If I'm doing 12k miles a year, I'd potentially save £1300 a year in fuel and tax (first year) if I bought a golf r, for instance (and that's not including depreciation, and factors in our currently cheap fuel).
It's up to Subaru to close the gap, to be honest. I'm sure they drive very well, but they drove very well in 2001!! Give us a boxer that can manage a realistic 40mpg+ on a run please! And play the bulls
t emissions laws a touch better too!
Putting everything down to soft touch plastics (no one cares except magazines) is glossing over the problems.
But this is nonsense. Imprezas are holding over 50% value after 4 years old. And do you think these Golf R's will stay as strong as they are once all these cars come off lease?...It's up to Subaru to close the gap, to be honest. I'm sure they drive very well, but they drove very well in 2001!! Give us a boxer that can manage a realistic 40mpg+ on a run please! And play the bulls
t emissions laws a touch better too! Putting everything down to soft touch plastics (no one cares except magazines) is glossing over the problems.
Tax is probably 2-300 more a year after initial payment. Fuel consumption barely any worse. I don't doubt it will cost more, but your exaggerating a fair bit.
Image is improving personally - Golf R and Fiesta ST for example are far more accessible to the McDonald's car park crew with the super cheap lease deals.
Max_Torque said:
whereas a modern car, with a modern engine, can get into the 40s if driven carefully and not hooned around)
But if you have to drive your Golf R like Miss Daisy to get your 40 mpg (& if you worry about mpg enough that you want to try and get that 40mpg), tbh you might as well have got the 1.6 diesel... At least the Scooby is honest about it - you're going to get so much mpg whatever you do, so you might as well rag it everywhere!Husaberk said:
CS400 said:
Oh Dear!
VAG make good cars but at this current time they are failing to provide a car that is fun to drive and/or has any feel/connection with the driver.
Not driven an Golf R then. For the record I love Imprezas (we still have one), evos, RS's and anything else that's great to drive whatever the badge. Chose my R on the back of a test drive confirming what the reviews have said about what it's like to drive. VAG make good cars but at this current time they are failing to provide a car that is fun to drive and/or has any feel/connection with the driver.
Oh and people can stop knocking Imprezas for fuel consumption, the R uses as much super unleaded as an STI.
I wouldn't comment on the Golf R if I hadn't driven at least one.
I test drove one and had a demonstrator for a week, plus I have two friends that have got them and I have driven them a number of times.
I couldn't care less about the badge and I hoped it would be a good car but it felt dreary and detached, although it is better than the previous models, so there is hope.
PunterCam said:
And play the bullst emissions laws a touch better too!
This is what it all comes down to t emissions laws a touch better too! Reality is very different.
My friends and I have proved this when I had my Subaru Cosworth and they had their Golf R's and we drove them on motorways, A & B roads and on the track. I never spent more on fuel than they did and when we tracked them I spent less and yet I could still leave them standing
mmcd87 said:
Husaberk said:
Oh and people can stop knocking Imprezas for fuel consumption, the R uses as much super unleaded as an STI.
This makes me laugh as well. The new stuff is barely any more fuel efficient in reality despite manufacturers claims.My take is that you'd have to specifically want the driving experience the WRX STI offers to buy one these days. The conventional FWD hot hatches have got so quick that the rally reps no longer have the crushing performance advantage they once had over cars like a 165 bhp Peugeot 306 GTi-6. The likes of the Focus ST are also better built, cheaper to buy (at least going by the previous gen WRX STI - haven't seen the current prices), more comfortable and at least slightly cheaper to run.
Despite all that I'd go for the Subaru, and I can imagine a lot of other enthusiasts would too. I like the fact you have to manage the rather old school turbo power delivery, and the fact you have to really hurl it into corners to get the chassis and the steering hooked up properly, and the noises it makes, and the way the engine spins so freely when you blip the throttle for downchanges. There is absolutely nothing generic about the WRX STI in the same way there's nothing generic about a TVR, but that doesn't make either of them a sensible choice in conventional terms.
Chris71 said:
My take is that you'd have to specifically want the driving experience the WRX STI offers to buy one these days. The conventional FWD hot hatches have got so quick that the rally reps no longer have the crushing performance advantage they once had over cars like a 165 bhp Peugeot 306 GTi-6. The likes of the Focus ST are also better built, cheaper to buy (at least going by the previous gen WRX STI - haven't seen the current prices), more comfortable and at least slightly cheaper to run.
Despite all that I'd go for the Subaru, and I can imagine a lot of other enthusiasts would too. I like the fact you have to manage the rather old school turbo power delivery, and the fact you have to really hurl it into corners to get the chassis and the steering hooked up properly, and the noises it makes, and the way the engine spins so freely when you blip the throttle for downchanges. There is absolutely nothing generic about the WRX STI in the same way there's nothing generic about a TVR, but that doesn't make either of them a sensible choice in conventional terms.
Yes and no. The market is still there for superhatches with 4wd as shown by the creation of the A45, Golf R, S3 etc. I agree the new fwd hot hatches are impressive, especially in the dry, but in the damp and rain in the UK, with over 300hp and 350lb ft, the 4wd is still massively relevant point to point. It probably does make the likes of the standard Impress WRX seem hard to justify against the golf Gti, etc, but the STI still puts up a decent and relevant argument.Despite all that I'd go for the Subaru, and I can imagine a lot of other enthusiasts would too. I like the fact you have to manage the rather old school turbo power delivery, and the fact you have to really hurl it into corners to get the chassis and the steering hooked up properly, and the noises it makes, and the way the engine spins so freely when you blip the throttle for downchanges. There is absolutely nothing generic about the WRX STI in the same way there's nothing generic about a TVR, but that doesn't make either of them a sensible choice in conventional terms.
Edited by mmcd87 on Wednesday 11th February 12:06
CS400 said:
Totally agree with you on the fuel consumption.
I wouldn't comment on the Golf R if I hadn't driven at least one.
I test drove one and had a demonstrator for a week, plus I have two friends that have got them and I have driven them a number of times.
I couldn't care less about the badge and I hoped it would be a good car but it felt dreary and detached, although it is better than the previous models, so there is hope.
Fair comment, I should've paid more attention to your username. It would be a bit off, given the CS's spec, if it didn't feel more connected and engaging. Not had a go myself so I think it might be time to rectify that.I wouldn't comment on the Golf R if I hadn't driven at least one.
I test drove one and had a demonstrator for a week, plus I have two friends that have got them and I have driven them a number of times.
I couldn't care less about the badge and I hoped it would be a good car but it felt dreary and detached, although it is better than the previous models, so there is hope.
The new one does look WAY better in the flesh, it never really looks that good in pictures.
I just wanted this car, and a new job meant I was able to afford a brand spanker. I like the fact it is different, and rare. I still haven't seen another one on the road, but have seen 3 of the new i8 things. I could have been a sheep and bought a Focus or a Golf, but . . . . (yawn)
I just wanted this car, and a new job meant I was able to afford a brand spanker. I like the fact it is different, and rare. I still haven't seen another one on the road, but have seen 3 of the new i8 things. I could have been a sheep and bought a Focus or a Golf, but . . . . (yawn)
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