RE: Honda Civic Type R - more details
Discussion
It's no more impressive than a 4 year old design it just has more horses I'm sure it's still a hoot To drive, but it has been hyped for over 3 years as a game changer it's has not really been a massive leap ahead, no I don't like the looks of it its gastly
But I will base my decisions when the Megane 4 and focus Rs come out why would I spend out on a car that is already out of date before its started without seeing the competition which is due out very soon but thanks for your concerns when are you purchasing your next hot hatch and which are you going for ?
But I will base my decisions when the Megane 4 and focus Rs come out why would I spend out on a car that is already out of date before its started without seeing the competition which is due out very soon but thanks for your concerns when are you purchasing your next hot hatch and which are you going for ?
Which is exactly why I'm waiting but tbh that honda will have to be absolutely epic to get past the horrific looks
As much as I don't really enjoy awd the new focus Rs and a drift mode etc does sound very tempting but I based purchases on driving the car also I don't just buy renaults if that's what your thinking, the last car honda made that I wanted to own was a mk2 crx vtech I nearly went for a mk2 focus Rs untill I drove one felt like a ford connect van with overly hard suspension
And a great engine but we all have different views don't we
As much as I don't really enjoy awd the new focus Rs and a drift mode etc does sound very tempting but I based purchases on driving the car also I don't just buy renaults if that's what your thinking, the last car honda made that I wanted to own was a mk2 crx vtech I nearly went for a mk2 focus Rs untill I drove one felt like a ford connect van with overly hard suspension
And a great engine but we all have different views don't we
7:50 is only 4 seconds faster than a meganne despite 35hp more which I don't think is an amazing achievement I am sure if the meganne had the same power that difference would be reversed to be honest despite it being a 4/5 year old car...
The new meganne will probably resolve the matter in terms of the ring leader I would think!
To be honest these car promised a lot and delivered a little looks have been ruined since the concept and it's not as fast as I expected it to be the way Honda hyped it up I thought it would have demolished the Cupra/265 on track when in fact its hardly any faster.
Focus RS will outsell this by a long way imo and rightly so it seems a more attractive car and to me a better package at what will probably be a similar price.
The new meganne will probably resolve the matter in terms of the ring leader I would think!
To be honest these car promised a lot and delivered a little looks have been ruined since the concept and it's not as fast as I expected it to be the way Honda hyped it up I thought it would have demolished the Cupra/265 on track when in fact its hardly any faster.
Focus RS will outsell this by a long way imo and rightly so it seems a more attractive car and to me a better package at what will probably be a similar price.
Edited by greggy50 on Tuesday 3rd March 13:40
kingofdbrits said:
Looks like it has a lot of grip and a bit of a firm ride with the dampers in track mode. Hard to say much else from that, a slower lap with some badly cocked up corners would probably be more revealing.4 seconds on the Nurburgring is huge!
Honda have announced that it was done on standard tyres, suspension running gear....the lot.
the only change was to strip the passenger seat and air con to compensate for the weight of the rollcage which is fair enough.
The 275 R is stripped out anyway and has smi slicks, the Cupra 280 did it with non standard brake/wheels...
The FRS will be great, and it will be quicker to 60 but it is 4wd so that's expected, on a roll I would think the Civic will reel it in as it will undoubtedly be lighter.
The group test by Chris Harris will be very interesting indeed!
Honda have announced that it was done on standard tyres, suspension running gear....the lot.
the only change was to strip the passenger seat and air con to compensate for the weight of the rollcage which is fair enough.
The 275 R is stripped out anyway and has smi slicks, the Cupra 280 did it with non standard brake/wheels...
The FRS will be great, and it will be quicker to 60 but it is 4wd so that's expected, on a roll I would think the Civic will reel it in as it will undoubtedly be lighter.
The group test by Chris Harris will be very interesting indeed!
greggy50 said:
7:50 is only 4 seconds faster than a meganne despite 50hp more which I don't think is an amazing achievement I am sure if the meganne had the same power that difference would be reversed to be honest despite it being a 4/5 year old car...
The new meganne will probably resolve the matter in terms of the ring leader I would think!
To be honest these car promised a lot and delivered a little looks have been ruined since the concept and it's not as fast as I expected it to be the way Honda hyped it up I thought it would have demolished the Cupra/265 on track when in fact its hardly any faster.
Focus RS will outsell this by a long way imo and rightly so it seems a more attractive car and to me a better package at what will probably be a similar price.
You think 4 seconds is easy to eek out with a FWD drive hatch? There is only so much power you can put down on the tarmac. Look at the company this car is in at 7:50, cars with 100bhp on it..the Meganne may beat it but go 7:46? don't think so.The new meganne will probably resolve the matter in terms of the ring leader I would think!
To be honest these car promised a lot and delivered a little looks have been ruined since the concept and it's not as fast as I expected it to be the way Honda hyped it up I thought it would have demolished the Cupra/265 on track when in fact its hardly any faster.
Focus RS will outsell this by a long way imo and rightly so it seems a more attractive car and to me a better package at what will probably be a similar price.
the ring time is not official either way, it is meaningless for comparison unless in production spec with independent drivers, but to get the car to 7:50 means its a very quick car.
There was disbelieve when the original GTR did a 7:38, a 500hp AWD sports cars..and now you're not impressed with 7:50 from a FWD hatch back?
put some perspective on things instead just looking at a number
greggy50 said:
7:50 is only 4 seconds faster than a meganne despite 50hp more which I don't think is an amazing achievement I am sure if the meganne had the same power that difference would be reversed to be honest despite it being a 4/5 year old car...
The new meganne will probably resolve the matter in terms of the ring leader I would think!
To be honest these car promised a lot and delivered a little looks have been ruined since the concept and it's not as fast as I expected it to be the way Honda hyped it up I thought it would have demolished the Cupra/265 on track when in fact its hardly any faster.
Focus RS will outsell this by a long way imo and rightly so it seems a more attractive car and to me a better package at what will probably be a similar price.
35bhp difference between 275 and 310 surely? I would also suggest that 8 seconds is demolishing the Cupra 280, especially considering the big modifications Seat did.The new meganne will probably resolve the matter in terms of the ring leader I would think!
To be honest these car promised a lot and delivered a little looks have been ruined since the concept and it's not as fast as I expected it to be the way Honda hyped it up I thought it would have demolished the Cupra/265 on track when in fact its hardly any faster.
Focus RS will outsell this by a long way imo and rightly so it seems a more attractive car and to me a better package at what will probably be a similar price.
If it drives like a turkey because it was set up for a 'ring time, what then? Your teeth rattling out every time you go to Sainsbury's isn't much fun and it's not as if you've got something pretty to look at as a consolation, is it!? I would never buy a car on the basis it has a good 'ring time, but maybe that's because I'm an old fart?
Dagnut said:
You think 4 seconds is easy to eek out with a FWD drive hatch? There is only so much power you can put down on the tarmac. Look at the company this car is in at 7:50, cars with 100bhp on it..the Meganne may beat it but go 7:46? don't think so.
the ring time is not official either way, it is meaningless for comparison unless in production spec with independent drivers, but to get the car to 7:50 means its a very quick car.
There was disbelieve when the original GTR did a 7:38, a 500hp AWD sports cars..and now you're not impressed with 7:50 from a FWD hatch back?
put some perspective on things instead just looking at a number
Don't think its not impressive its a bloody quick car but just think the huge deal Honda made about the performance it would be even quicker still. the ring time is not official either way, it is meaningless for comparison unless in production spec with independent drivers, but to get the car to 7:50 means its a very quick car.
There was disbelieve when the original GTR did a 7:38, a 500hp AWD sports cars..and now you're not impressed with 7:50 from a FWD hatch back?
put some perspective on things instead just looking at a number
I just think only 4 seconds faster than a 4/5 year old car with a few trick bits bolted on is not that impressive considering it has been years in development and is a fresh design I suspect the new meganne will soon take the crown at the top.
Ring times don't concern me anyway don't go on track more concerned about how this goes on the road I hope it is not over firm etc... as that is one trick meganne has its still a great road car despite being great on the track.
Also just can't get on with the styling I know one of my cars is a bright orange mini but f
k me this just looks so boy racer to me and in a bad way the concept just flowed so much nicer as a design and just not what I hoped 
Really wanted to like this car and ended up being disapointed!
allergictocheese said:
If it drives like a turkey because it was set up for a 'ring time, what then? Your teeth rattling out every time you go to Sainsbury's isn't much fun and it's not as if you've got something pretty to look at as a consolation, is it!? I would never buy a car on the basis it has a good 'ring time, but maybe that's because I'm an old fart?
I suspect that's a large part of the reason they've specced adaptive dampers.greggy50 said:
Don't think its not impressive its a bloody quick car but just think the huge deal Honda made about the performance it would be even quicker still.
I just think only 4 seconds faster than a 4/5 year old car with a few trick bits bolted on is not that impressive considering it has been years in development and is a fresh design I suspect the new meganne will soon take the crown at the top.
The point he was making was that it probably won't go much faster without a very serious effort. I mean, traction with 300hp in a FWD car is a struggle no matter what fancy suspension you've got without aero. If there is one thing that Honda have plugged about this car from the off, it was the fact it would have aero doing something useful for them in terms of lap time. I just think only 4 seconds faster than a 4/5 year old car with a few trick bits bolted on is not that impressive considering it has been years in development and is a fresh design I suspect the new meganne will soon take the crown at the top.
No, the ring time is not the be all and end all of performance measurement but it tells you a lot about the higher speed dynamics of the car. The fastest cars have lots of horsepower and downforce.
Realistically the only way the next gen Megane could go faster is if it is generating more downforce with more power than the Civic. If that's the case then more power to them, but the Civic wins this round, and 4s at the sharp end of the lap board is significant.
billy939 said:
4 seconds on the Nurburgring is huge!
Honda have announced that it was done on standard tyres, suspension running gear....the lot.
the only change was to strip the passenger seat and air con to compensate for the weight of the rollcage which is fair enough.
I'm not sure it is - Doesn't a roll cage stiffen the body shell? in which case, it's actually not really a production car at all is it?Honda have announced that it was done on standard tyres, suspension running gear....the lot.
the only change was to strip the passenger seat and air con to compensate for the weight of the rollcage which is fair enough.
Superhoop said:
billy939 said:
4 seconds on the Nurburgring is huge!
Honda have announced that it was done on standard tyres, suspension running gear....the lot.
the only change was to strip the passenger seat and air con to compensate for the weight of the rollcage which is fair enough.
I'm not sure it is - Doesn't a roll cage stiffen the body shell? in which case, it's actually not really a production car at all is it?Honda have announced that it was done on standard tyres, suspension running gear....the lot.
the only change was to strip the passenger seat and air con to compensate for the weight of the rollcage which is fair enough.
kingofdbrits said:
No doubt it looks very quick indeed - however, I know its hard to tell (even wearing headphones) but it really doesn't sound very good Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff