RE: New Audi R8 - first look
Discussion
HighwayStar said:
There's my problem with the R8 right there... I had the luck of the use of a V10 Plus for a day, now I I'm notgoing to say it wasn't a lot of fun but...
In the pic above, just ahead of the gear shift, are the air con and heated seats controls. I have a TTS and they are lifter straight out of the TT, along with the seats and satnav. All subjective I know but if I was spending £130K for a car I'd expect a be more of an individual, bespoke interior than hand me down stuff from a £37k TT.... As good as it was I just couldn't get away from that fact. Couldn't fault the performance but I couldn't warm to the R8, interior wise it just didn't feel special, like I was sitting in a bigger TT.
I fear the new one will follow the same formula, we know it will have the new TT's TFT screen....
Also Audi seem hell bent on dragging Lamborghini down to a mediocre product, holding it back in the handling/fun stakes whilst elevating the R8 in those areas. That's just wrong!
That's why the car costs only 130k in fairness..it's direct competitors are touching on 180k..maybe its because its 100k plus, and it's not put into proper perspective, but that's 40% more..it's massive price difference .is the switch gear in a 458 or 12c any better? In the pic above, just ahead of the gear shift, are the air con and heated seats controls. I have a TTS and they are lifter straight out of the TT, along with the seats and satnav. All subjective I know but if I was spending £130K for a car I'd expect a be more of an individual, bespoke interior than hand me down stuff from a £37k TT.... As good as it was I just couldn't get away from that fact. Couldn't fault the performance but I couldn't warm to the R8, interior wise it just didn't feel special, like I was sitting in a bigger TT.
I fear the new one will follow the same formula, we know it will have the new TT's TFT screen....
Also Audi seem hell bent on dragging Lamborghini down to a mediocre product, holding it back in the handling/fun stakes whilst elevating the R8 in those areas. That's just wrong!
Edited by HighwayStar on Wednesday 18th February 07:05
It wouldn't be my first choice but I think critiquing it for not being feeling special when you're getting a 550bhp N/A mid engined V10 is off the mark.
I think Honda will struggle to under cut this car with the NSX and then people may appreciate that it actually represents really good value.
Modificata said:
Not recently no. But im not talking about the way it drives. I've said before technically it may be up there just like the GTR. Its about whether or not it feels special and one of the other posts made the point well. It feels like a bigger TT inside.
£100K on a R8 or a 599? Come now. There is no comparison!
You're right, there is no comparison because the 599 is no longer on sale and cost twice the price when new.£100K on a R8 or a 599? Come now. There is no comparison!
There is no comparison because the 599 is not a competitor.
would you rather have a 599 or a Zonda F?
HighwayStar said:
VW's business model build everything on as few platforms as possible. Using the same parts and modules across as many models as possible brings huge economies of scale! So yes it's probably kept the price down. I'm not bothered about what I can't see but the things I can see, for the money, I don't want to see it in the lowliest TT.
Of course if an R8 owner has never sat in, owned or driven a TT he'll but none the wiser.... Or doesn't care. At the end of the day it's a personal thing.
Yes, but Gallardo is not different – both of them are VW bin parts specials: check the Sat Nav unit – same as in A3. Of course if an R8 owner has never sat in, owned or driven a TT he'll but none the wiser.... Or doesn't care. At the end of the day it's a personal thing.
Modificata said:
Not recently no. But im not talking about the way it drives. I've said before technically it may be up there just like the GTR. Its about whether or not it feels special and one of the other posts made the point well. It feels like a bigger TT inside.
£100K on a R8 or a 599? Come now. There is no comparison!
How many times are you going to trot out this new vs used s£100K on a R8 or a 599? Come now. There is no comparison!
t?Dagnut said:
HighwayStar said:
There's my problem with the R8 right there... I had the luck of the use of a V10 Plus for a day, now I I'm notgoing to say it wasn't a lot of fun but...
In the pic above, just ahead of the gear shift, are the air con and heated seats controls. I have a TTS and they are lifter straight out of the TT, along with the seats and satnav. All subjective I know but if I was spending £130K for a car I'd expect a be more of an individual, bespoke interior than hand me down stuff from a £37k TT.... As good as it was I just couldn't get away from that fact. Couldn't fault the performance but I couldn't warm to the R8, interior wise it just didn't feel special, like I was sitting in a bigger TT.
I fear the new one will follow the same formula, we know it will have the new TT's TFT screen....
Also Audi seem hell bent on dragging Lamborghini down to a mediocre product, holding it back in the handling/fun stakes whilst elevating the R8 in those areas. That's just wrong!
That's why the car costs only 130k in fairness..it's direct competitors are touching on 180k..maybe its because its 100k plus, and it's not put into proper perspective, but that's 40% more..it's massive price difference .is the switch gear in a 458 or 12c any better? In the pic above, just ahead of the gear shift, are the air con and heated seats controls. I have a TTS and they are lifter straight out of the TT, along with the seats and satnav. All subjective I know but if I was spending £130K for a car I'd expect a be more of an individual, bespoke interior than hand me down stuff from a £37k TT.... As good as it was I just couldn't get away from that fact. Couldn't fault the performance but I couldn't warm to the R8, interior wise it just didn't feel special, like I was sitting in a bigger TT.
I fear the new one will follow the same formula, we know it will have the new TT's TFT screen....
Also Audi seem hell bent on dragging Lamborghini down to a mediocre product, holding it back in the handling/fun stakes whilst elevating the R8 in those areas. That's just wrong!
Edited by HighwayStar on Wednesday 18th February 07:05
It wouldn't be my first choice but I think critiquing it for not being feeling special when you're getting a 550bhp N/A mid engined V10 is off the mark.
I think Honda will struggle to under cut this car with the NSX and then people may appreciate that it actually represents really good value.
It wouldn't be yours first choice etc... I think we actually agree more than we don't
Jakub said:
HighwayStar said:
VW's business model build everything on as few platforms as possible. Using the same parts and modules across as many models as possible brings huge economies of scale! So yes it's probably kept the price down. I'm not bothered about what I can't see but the things I can see, for the money, I don't want to see it in the lowliest TT.
Of course if an R8 owner has never sat in, owned or driven a TT he'll but none the wiser.... Or doesn't care. At the end of the day it's a personal thing.
Yes, but Gallardo is not different – both of them are VW bin parts specials: check the Sat Nav unit – same as in A3. Of course if an R8 owner has never sat in, owned or driven a TT he'll but none the wiser.... Or doesn't care. At the end of the day it's a personal thing.
if anyone is interested...its now giving 610hp in the plus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE6UfaU5ueo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE6UfaU5ueo
Dagnut said:
if anyone is interested...its now giving 610hp in the plus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE6UfaU5ueo
Interesting that he says he believes the sideblades are carried over, after feeling through the camouflage. So far any artist impressions have said not. We shall see.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE6UfaU5ueo
Modificata said:
amusingduck said:
How many times are you going to trot out this new vs used st?
Resorting to swearing already…t?The point I make (which clearly you miss), is that if you have £100k+ so spend on a car, there are better cars than the bland R8. New or used.
Modificata said:
Resorting to swearing already…
The point I make (which clearly you miss), is that if you have £100k+ so spend on a car, there are better cars than the bland R8. New or used.
I am not missing your point, your point just adds nothing to the discussion. Every single time a new car is announced on here, at least one person will say £x?!?! You could have a used y for that with change to spare! The point I make (which clearly you miss), is that if you have £100k+ so spend on a car, there are better cars than the bland R8. New or used.
Listing new cars which you feel are superior to the R8 would add something to the discussion.
Modificata said:
£100K on a R8 or a 599? Come now. There is no comparison!
Quite. If you want a rear-mid-engined, everyday sports car, there's only one option there- R8.I don't particularly expect a new ~£100k sports car by a major marque to feel "special". I don't think Porsche 991s feel very "special" in the context of Italian supercars, but I also don't think they're necessarily supposed to. That might just be me being weird, but whatever.
Modificata said:
If you have £100k+ so spend on a car, there are better cars than the bland R8.
"Better" in what way, though? I assume what you actually mean is that you personally think there are better options, not that there might be measurably better comparable options. Which is fair enough; we get it, you don't like the R8. But if I was in the market for a new, £100k everyday sports car I struggle to think of anything I'd rather have.ManOpener said:
Modificata said:
If you have £100k+ so spend on a car, there are better cars than the bland R8.
"Better" in what way, though? I assume what you actually mean is that you personally think there are better options, not that there might be measurably better comparable options. Which is fair enough; we get it, you don't like the R8. But if I was in the market for a new, £100k everyday sports car I struggle to think of anything I'd rather have.I love it, it has a 610bhp NA V10 for gods sake! With even Ferrari turning towards turbocharging these days I think a big, atmospheric engine is something to be celebrated.
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