RE: All-new Audi R8 - sneak preview!

[graeme4130]

I like that they've kept with the V10 and realistically, I think the Stronic box suits this type of car too (and less than a handful European V10+'s were ever spec'd with Manual boxes too, so the customers obviously think the same way)
The only fear I would have if buying one now is that the V8 version uses the 4.0t engine, and a simple chip tune pushes the performance of the V8 past that of the V10+ without the weight of the engine (MRC do a 680bhp ECU mod for the RS6 with that very 4.0t V8 engine)

[soad]

Nickbrapp said:

Hats off to audi to sticking with a N/A v10

That is good news.

[GTEYE]

mrclav said:

lord trumpton said:

Nors said:

Other than the 'family' grill and similar shaped headlamps, the car is totally different in shape from the front backwards (and much lower), the sides also are totally different.

How anyone can say it looks like a big TT is beyond me!

Edited by Nors on Wednesday 18th February 08:16

Yeah it's completely different in the same way as the 997 v1 is from the 997 v2

I't might be totally new in terms of dynamics and tech, but at a glance it looks like a big TT.

That's an extremely poor comparison - either you're being obtuse or you should REALLY see an eye specialist.

A 997.1 vs a 997.2 is effectively the same car updated. Engine in the same place. Same proportions. Same engine in the same place. Same chassis.

An R8 has a completely different proportions to a TT not to mention the mechanical differences; different chassis, different engines as well as one being mid-engined, the other front engined. Do you think a Lamboghini Aventador looks like a big Huracan too?

Perhaps a more valid comparison would have been old R8 to new R8 being about as adventurous as 997.1 to 997.2.

Perhaps there will be more differences when the sticky tape comes off.

Can't really see that much TT in it other than the generic Audi styling cues.

[iloveboost]

Two questions come to mind when reading this article: How much is the Lamborghini image worth, and are Audi a bit worried about the Lamborghini image?
Perhaps all the benefits of this R8 development will be put on the Hurracan soon, but it's strange. If the new R8 will be faster than the Hurracan, how much is the Lamborghini image worth?

Last time they released an RS4 engined R8 V8 first, and later a slightly de-tuned Gallardo engined R8 V10. As the article said I think most people expected them to release a 420ps V8 biturbo first, then a 'V10' with the 560ps V8 biturbo.
This makes me wonder if they will even do an R8 V8? If they make one it will be seen as a direct rival to the turbo 911, and Porsche is also owned by them so perhaps it's not worth it.

Also Audi are making the R8 have less understeer for more exciting handling, no turbo engine for better throttle response, with disable-able stability control? Audi have gone insane.
Next they'll be saying they're building a new Veyron that does 300mph, with a non-turbo twenty litre engine, with no TCS.
Perhaps Audi are worried that people think Lamborghini have become a bit boring under their ownership? Clearly they've been watching too much 'Top Gear'.

[Wills2]

iggletiggle said:

£40k for a v1 is a bargain in my eyes, and i would expect to see the prices drop much more now, especially for the manuals..

The new car will have zero effect on a 40k 4.2V8, totally different market.

If anything it could possibly firm up pricing as interest returns to the car and people see what good value the early ones are.

[epom]

soad said:

Nickbrapp said:

Hats off to audi to sticking with a N/A v10

That is good news.

Good news, but rather surprising all the same. Especially with Audi's turbo know how. Perhaps the lesser model R8 might be a turbo ?

[Dave Hedgehog]

Wills2 said:

iggletiggle said:

£40k for a v1 is a bargain in my eyes, and i would expect to see the prices drop much more now, especially for the manuals..

The new car will have zero effect on a 40k 4.2V8, totally different market.

If anything it could possibly firm up pricing as interest returns to the car and people see what good value the early ones are.

yep, prices could go up, the R8 got very expensive over the last few years and if this one increases the price even more the early ones will look like bargains

[graeme4130]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Wills2 said:

iggletiggle said:

£40k for a v1 is a bargain in my eyes, and i would expect to see the prices drop much more now, especially for the manuals..

The new car will have zero effect on a 40k 4.2V8, totally different market.

If anything it could possibly firm up pricing as interest returns to the car and people see what good value the early ones are.

yep, prices could go up, the R8 got very expensive over the last few years and if this one increases the price even more the early ones will look like bargains

I'd imagine the initial price changes will be to later model current V10's as existing owners have been awaiting the new car and will soon move over
That'll cause a fair few in the market, and prices will drop
V10+'s have been hovering around £90k for 12 months or so now, but they'll fall a bit as customer deliveries of the new car start later this year
I can't see it making much difference to the older V8's around the £40k mark for a bit, but some of the earlier cars are reaching that age where things start to go wrong more often, and once that market starts seeing the maintenance costs going up, there'll start coming up more often
Although small numbers in comparison to A4's, R8's are still a mass produced car, so I can't see the values of the early Manual cars going up as some are speculating, it's not like a GT3 or something similar produced in the 100's for the uk

It'll be interesting to see it pan out anyway

[King Steffy]

I know a crazy comparison however hopefully you all follow me...
Look @ the Rolls Royce Silver Seraph in comparison to the Bentley Arnage..
Yes a different Engine & technical set up but a passers by would say it's a Bentley with a RR grill even though not quite like that...However as new Phantoms cost 10 squidillion pounds new, it has made good Seraphs extraordinarily expensive...Which for me, is wrong..
I do hope that the R8's of 40 grand don't hold or go up just because newer models cost much more...
Cars don't get better when older...They are not vintage wines...We may still like a car but in fairness it should go down when used & built in decent volumes however I doubt they will by much...
Same could be said for the Nissan GTR...Again not comparing the car ok but I am comparing the "Used" pricing principle...Early ones are around 40 grand also & have been for yonks...A new GTR costs mega more now than when it came out so why can't the early ones not go down ? Just because the new one costs much much more ? Same again here...

You could question my point all day long...I just feel that Traders (privates I understand if you can get so much then good luck yes) but for the normal Mr Joe Bloggs...It is quite annoying !!!!
Particularly when you like R8's !!!

[Wills2]

The V10 (not plus) can be had from 60k which is a great price if you ask me for what you're getting, I see them firming as well (the manual ones anyway)

Everyone thought that the 991 would crash 997.2 prices but over the last 2 years they haven't moved, my old 997 went for 40k (retail) in 2012 and they still want 40k for them today.

http://www.911virgin.com/porscheforsale/924/997C2S...

It's a bit of an urban myth.

Edited to add: not suggesting they will do a "GT3" but they will remain firm IMHO, oh and the poster who called them mass produced is a little wide of the mark.

Edited by Wills2 on Wednesday 18th February 21:58

[lord trumpton]

GTEYE said:

mrclav said:

lord trumpton said:

Nors said:

Other than the 'family' grill and similar shaped headlamps, the car is totally different in shape from the front backwards (and much lower), the sides also are totally different.

How anyone can say it looks like a big TT is beyond me!

Edited by Nors on Wednesday 18th February 08:16

Yeah it's completely different in the same way as the 997 v1 is from the 997 v2

I't might be totally new in terms of dynamics and tech, but at a glance it looks like a big TT.

That's an extremely poor comparison - either you're being obtuse or you should REALLY see an eye specialist.

A 997.1 vs a 997.2 is effectively the same car updated. Engine in the same place. Same proportions. Same engine in the same place. Same chassis.

An R8 has a completely different proportions to a TT not to mention the mechanical differences; different chassis, different engines as well as one being mid-engined, the other front engined. Do you think a Lamboghini Aventador looks like a big Huracan too?

Perhaps a more valid comparison would have been old R8 to new R8 being about as adventurous as 997.1 to 997.2.

Perhaps there will be more differences when the sticky tape comes off.

Can't really see that much TT in it other than the generic Audi styling cues.

They wasted a lot of unnecessary time and money designing and applying the tape in order to 'disguise' it. It would have been cheaper to affix a few TT badges to it and nobody would have batted an eyelid.

[SidewaysSi]

How much?!! Much prefer the new Evora at half the money. That car is a bargain.

[graeme4130]

Wills2 said:

i, oh and the poster who called them mass produced is a little wide of the mark.

Audi brought circa 9000 R8's to the uk over 7rs. That's fairly big numbers

[iggletiggle]

graeme4130 said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Wills2 said:

iggletiggle said:

£40k for a v1 is a bargain in my eyes, and i would expect to see the prices drop much more now, especially for the manuals..

The new car will have zero effect on a 40k 4.2V8, totally different market.

If anything it could possibly firm up pricing as interest returns to the car and people see what good value the early ones are.

yep, prices could go up, the R8 got very expensive over the last few years and if this one increases the price even more the early ones will look like bargains

I'd imagine the initial price changes will be to later model current V10's as existing owners have been awaiting the new car and will soon move over
That'll cause a fair few in the market, and prices will drop
V10+'s have been hovering around £90k for 12 months or so now, but they'll fall a bit as customer deliveries of the new car start later this year
I can't see it making much difference to the older V8's around the £40k mark for a bit, but some of the earlier cars are reaching that age where things start to go wrong more often, and once that market starts seeing the maintenance costs going up, there'll start coming up more often
Although small numbers in comparison to A4's, R8's are still a mass produced car, so I can't see the values of the early Manual cars going up as some are speculating, it's not like a GT3 or something similar produced in the 100's for the uk

It'll be interesting to see it pan out anyway

My mistake.. that 'would' was supposed to have been 'wouldnt' - being that the new model has no manual.

[Wills2]

graeme4130 said:

Wills2 said:

i, oh and the poster who called them mass produced is a little wide of the mark.

Audi brought circa 9000 R8's to the uk over 7rs. That's fairly big numbers

Not in terms of mass production as most would understand that phrase when applied to the automotive sector, that's about 1 car per month per dealer.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Wills2 said:

graeme4130 said:

Wills2 said:

i, oh and the poster who called them mass produced is a little wide of the mark.

Audi brought circa 9000 R8's to the uk over 7rs. That's fairly big numbers

Not in terms of mass production as most would understand that phrase when applied to the automotive sector, that's about 1 car per month per dealer.

only about 2600 according to how many left

[Wills2]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Wills2 said:

graeme4130 said:

Wills2 said:

i, oh and the poster who called them mass produced is a little wide of the mark.

Audi brought circa 9000 R8's to the uk over 7rs. That's fairly big numbers

Not in terms of mass production as most would understand that phrase when applied to the automotive sector, that's about 1 car per month per dealer.

only about 2600 according to how many left

Well there you go, pretty low volumes then.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Wills2 said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Wills2 said:

graeme4130 said:

Wills2 said:

i, oh and the poster who called them mass produced is a little wide of the mark.

Audi brought circa 9000 R8's to the uk over 7rs. That's fairly big numbers

Not in terms of mass production as most would understand that phrase when applied to the automotive sector, that's about 1 car per month per dealer.

only about 2600 according to how many left

Well there you go, pretty low volumes then.

surprisingly 705 gallardo's

[BORN2bWILD]

I tried a V8 R8 on the track last year and was impressed, but think prices are dropping so not a good time to buy.
I bought a 600bhp Nissan GT-R instead 2 months ago, less money than the earlier V8 R8s but as fast as the latest V10 version about to be released (0-60 under 3 secs and over 200mph)... and the GT-R prices are holding up well.

[graeme4130]

Wills2 said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Wills2 said:

graeme4130 said:

Wills2 said:

i, oh and the poster who called them mass produced is a little wide of the mark.

Audi brought circa 9000 R8's to the uk over 7rs. That's fairly big numbers

Not in terms of mass production as most would understand that phrase when applied to the automotive sector, that's about 1 car per month per dealer.

only about 2600 according to how many left

Well there you go, pretty low volumes then.

If that number's correct, then that's a lot lower than Audi claimed.
However, still not exactly rare in the context of the original ideal that they'd appreciate. For comparison, GT3's (997 as they're jumping in value hugely) were in the low hundreds