RE: Lotus - Evora 400 and beyond

RE: Lotus - Evora 400 and beyond

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DanielSan

18,817 posts

168 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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Is it me or does the '5 year plan' seem to just involve fitting a V6 to everything?

luke g28

174 posts

160 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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otolith said:
Depends how it is done. The Exige V6 is not exactly competent but boring. The 911 is, to my tastes at least. Now that Lotus are fitting stability control, I don't think it would be the end of the world if they had enough power to be a bit of a handful with it switched off.
Not had the fortune to drive a v6 exige but I very much doubt it is the fastest car in its price bracket, especially with the emphasis on selling in america where the reborn muscle cars are cheaper than fiestas.

kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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DanielSan said:
Is it me or does the '5 year plan' seem to just involve fitting a V6 to everything?
There are worse plans when the competition are all busy fitting four-pots to cars which formerly had sixes. biggrin

kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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luke g28 said:
Not had the fortune to drive a v6 exige but I very much doubt it is the fastest car in its price bracket, especially with the emphasis on selling in america where the reborn muscle cars are cheaper than fiestas.
The seems to be little emphasis on the US at the moment. The Evora has been withdrawn from the US market completely.

European cars always look very expensive for their straight-line performance in the US. They used to sell on the basis that they went around corners but unfortunately the Americans seem to be developing cars that do that rather well too, these days.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 19th February 14:03

danp

1,603 posts

263 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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rhinochopig said:
If they can do an SUV for 1400kg why the hell does the Evora weigh more than that?
Good point! Perhaps they could do a 1300-1400 kg SUV given an unlimited budget ;-)

DanielSan

18,817 posts

168 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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kambites said:
DanielSan said:
Is it me or does the '5 year plan' seem to just involve fitting a V6 to everything?
There are worse plans when the competition are all busy fitting four-pots to cars which formerly had sixes. biggrin
When you make the point that way I'm suddenly a lot more sold on it. hehe

unpc

2,837 posts

214 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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HorneyMX5 said:
unpc said:
I actually can't think of anything more depressing...
Indeed. I think JLR should add Lotus to their portfolio.
Quite. Lotus would have a nice range of powertrains and access to technology/suppliers they can only dream about with stepping on JLRs toes.

Impasse

15,099 posts

242 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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kambites said:
The seems to be little emphasis on the US at the moment. The Evora has been withdrawn from the US market completely.
No, no it hasn't. One news outlet put two and two together and got confused, then the internet took over. The Evora is for sale in the USA and has been since launch. Orders for the 2016MY Evora are being taken now with delivery expected late summer-early Autumn/Fall. If the previous shape appeals there are still plenty of new and unregistered cars Stateside from which to choose.

kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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unpc said:
Quite. Lotus would have a nice range of powertrains and access to technology/suppliers they can only dream about with stepping on JLRs toes.
Do JLR have any transverse front-engined drivetrains to give to Lotus?

otolith

56,214 posts

205 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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luke g28 said:
Not had the fortune to drive a v6 exige but I very much doubt it is the fastest car in its price bracket, especially with the emphasis on selling in america where the reborn muscle cars are cheaper than fiestas.
The US is a different situation, for sure. It's very hard for European cars to compete there on outright grunt (though the V6 road car isn't and never has been sold there). In the UK at least, there isn't much else that will get to 100 in under ten seconds for 53k.

otolith

56,214 posts

205 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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kambites said:
Do JLR have any transverse front-engined drivetrains to give to Lotus?
Don't think so, but in the context of future model development longitudinal drivetrains need not be a problem.

kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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Impasse said:
kambites said:
The seems to be little emphasis on the US at the moment. The Evora has been withdrawn from the US market completely.
No, no it hasn't. One news outlet put two and two together and got confused, then the internet took over. The Evora is for sale in the USA and has been since launch. Orders for the 2016MY Evora are being taken now with delivery expected late summer-early Autumn/Fall. If the previous shape appeals there are still plenty of new and unregistered cars Stateside from which to choose.
Ah OK. So they've just stopped exports for the next six months while the current dealer stock is used up, restarting exports when the MY06 cars come off the production line?

Still, the US is only the fourth biggest market for Lotus (Japan > UK > France > US, I believe?) and I suspect nowhere near the fastest growing? It's very hard for European car makers to be competitive on price with American ones in the US, the US industry is just too heavily bank-rolled by the government.

kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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otolith said:
kambites said:
Do JLR have any transverse front-engined drivetrains to give to Lotus?
Don't think so, but in the context of future model development longitudinal drivetrains need not be a problem.
I think Lotus need access to both if they're going to build a decent product portfolio.

otolith

56,214 posts

205 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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kambites said:
otolith said:
kambites said:
Do JLR have any transverse front-engined drivetrains to give to Lotus?
Don't think so, but in the context of future model development longitudinal drivetrains need not be a problem.
I think Lotus need access to both if they're going to build a decent product portfolio.
Would it be in JLR's interests to develop a transverse drivetrain if they could share volumes across an Elise replacement?

kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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otolith said:
Would it be in JLR's interests to develop a transverse drivetrain if they could share volumes across an Elise replacement?
Actually, isn't the Evoque transverse engined? Is there a FWD Evoque?

British Beef

2,220 posts

166 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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kambites said:
unpc said:
Quite. Lotus would have a nice range of powertrains and access to technology/suppliers they can only dream about with stepping on JLRs toes.
Do JLR have any transverse front-engined drivetrains to give to Lotus?
Negative. But with the move from 4s to 6s, the next logical move is to 8s, JLR has some pretty tasty 8s, and is getting on with some nice 6s!!!

That would pave the way for a 500hp Evora / Exige, unlikely it would fit without extensive chassis enlargement mind.

JLR+L .... Could work!

kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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They might take a reasonably compact transverse V8 I suppose. biggrin

Craikeybaby

10,417 posts

226 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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I thought JLR's new 4 cylinder engines were designed to be modular so they could do a transverse version if they wanted to.

unpc

2,837 posts

214 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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JLR would be a good fit for Lotus but I don't know what Lotus can offer JLR. Not much is my guess.

kambites

67,593 posts

222 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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unpc said:
JLR would be a good fit for Lotus but I don't know what Lotus can offer JLR. Not much is my guess.
Lotus have a fair bit of hybrid tech, which as far as I know JLR don't of their own?