RE: Lotus - Evora 400 and beyond
Discussion
RobM77 said:
I was out in my 2-Eleven today and I must admit, the idea of a V6 powered one is quite exciting! The 4cyl model's not exactly lacking in straight line performance though, I must confess if I was tasked with improving the 2-Eleven I'd want a better gearchange and better weight distribution, rather than more power. It'll be a fantastic car though, I'm sure, as would a 400bhp Exige! 
So in another few years Lotus will come up with a heavier 211 still lacking real power and grip... yippie the ronin said:
RobM77 said:
I was out in my 2-Eleven today and I must admit, the idea of a V6 powered one is quite exciting! The 4cyl model's not exactly lacking in straight line performance though, I must confess if I was tasked with improving the 2-Eleven I'd want a better gearchange and better weight distribution, rather than more power. It'll be a fantastic car though, I'm sure, as would a 400bhp Exige!
So in another few years Lotus will come up with a heavier 211 still lacking real power and grip... yippie SidewaysSi said:
Eh? Not sure that makes much sense.
These things are relative;http://youtu.be/8UZNDEaDlro
otolith said:
the ronin said:
So in another few years Lotus will come up with a heavier 211 still lacking real power and grip... yippie
Just imagine what you could do starting with 3.5 litres instead of 1.8...the ronin said:
otolith said:
the ronin said:
So in another few years Lotus will come up with a heavier 211 still lacking real power and grip... yippie
Just imagine what you could do starting with 3.5 litres instead of 1.8...
As a typical 2-Eleven customer I'm already on the verge of buying an FR/F3 car to race instead, so it would be nonsensical to push the price or usability up too much of what is essentially a track car. On the subject of usablity, track days are about fun, and if a car has too much grip and power then if becomes a right PITA because you keep catching people and being unable to enjoy free running for a few corners - the standard 2-Eleven is already nearly at that point. Also, if you look at the Silverstone track day T&Cs you'll see that Radicals are banned if the driver has a race license. If the 2-Eleven got much quicker I therefore think I'd be banned from using it at my local track, which would be a great shame. 400bhp and 800kg (I'm guessing that's what it would be) would be great, but unless all the other cars on track days suddenly get quicker, I wouldn't be wanting much more performance. Besides, the weight distribution is the car's main problem in my very humble opinion - track days are about fun and personally I'd like the weight further forward with a better gearchange as a priority (I have the Letsla linkage already, and it improves things, but I still think it could be better).
dvs_dave said:
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TVR did very well up until the Russian had it.otolith said:
In the UK at least, there isn't much else that will get to 100 in under ten seconds for 53k.
Well TVR were doing exactly this 15-20 years ago. Didn't work out so well for them in the end. Just not enough margin at those volumes and prices.danp said:
rhinochopig said:
If they can do an SUV for 1400kg why the hell does the Evora weigh more than that?
Good point! Perhaps they could do a 1300-1400 kg SUV given an unlimited budget ;-)I hope he hasn't made any of the miracle workers in the Product Development team at Hethel redundant, as I fear he is going to need them if he keeps making these kind of statements.
otolith said:
They've published torsional rigidity figures for a car that doesn't exist yet?
Well yes, unless they plan to produce the soft top off a new chassis.http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f170/bahar-changes...
The Eagle platform was always planned with a convertible option (god only knows how its taking so long to materialise) but Lotus' own literature clearly states the roof is structural and wthout it, the rigidity is markedly decreased.
kbf1981 said:
TVR did very well up until the Russian had it.
Well, I think you must have been asleep. TVR was firmly on the path to self-destruction long before the Russian showed up. He was simply the fool who didn't do his research properly and got stuck with a cadaver which he thought was still alive.Lotus desperately need some genuine new product. Chassis like the Alfa 4C and Porsche 981s are a full generation newer.
Jellinek said:
otolith said:
They've published torsional rigidity figures for a car that doesn't exist yet?
Well yes, unless they plan to produce the soft top off a new chassis.http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f170/bahar-changes...
The Eagle platform was always planned with a convertible option (god only knows how its taking so long to materialise) but Lotus' own literature clearly states the roof is structural and wthout it, the rigidity is markedly decreased.
kambites said:
Claudia Skies said:
Chassis like the Alfa 4C and Porsche 981s are a full generation newer.
And, if the group-tests are to be believed, significantly worse to drive than the comparable "ancient" Lotus cars in both cases... Being old is not, in itself, a reason to change something.
otolith said:
the ronin said:
I've thought about it but I rarely use full power now.... 450 whp is just about the right amount, any more and you run out of road too quickly.
Who are you and what have you done with Frank? 
Lotus could easily reproduce my car for the same price as a V6 powered 211. 650 whp for qualifying and 500 whp for cruising around..
They need something wild because there are others on the horizon waiting to take that market share.....
This is now V8 powered and will be coming to the US market as a street legal kit... https://www.facebook.com/pages/Donto-P1/2033672396...
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