RE: Last Bugatti Veyron sold
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I always thought they might do something totally different but apparently their customers want More Veyroness so I guess a more powerful, faster, lighter hypercar is the only answer... but the talk of 1500bhp and 290mph seems bold, they have the history but where will it lead, a special addition that does 300mph?
Europa1 said:
I have always struggled with the looks - the grille to me has always jarred.
That's a Bugatti hallmark though, I thought they've done well to incorporate it. It's not the most attractive car: function is winning the battle with form I feel (understandably in this instance).The EB110 is an example of how to fudge it into a design; it looks like a keyhole in the front of the car.
thatdude said:
Its different sensations though. On a superbike you are leant forward, and your arse is slung against the seat hump, theres the scream of the engine, the roar of the wind
In a car, your whole upper torso is squished against the back of the seat, you feel everything is trying to remain where it was, while the car tries to take you to where it is. It's a really different set of sensations I find
Brilliant. I shall bookmark this and quote it whenever anyone in future tries to compare the experience of acceleration between a bike and a car. Same time-frame, completely different experience. Personally I care not for bikes and I'm sure the feeling of being so cosseted whilst experiencing such brutal acceleration never gets old. In a car, your whole upper torso is squished against the back of the seat, you feel everything is trying to remain where it was, while the car tries to take you to where it is. It's a really different set of sensations I find
If I remember my O-Level maths correctly: 450 cars over 10 years, even at say a million quid each, that's 45 million quid per year, which is not a lot of revenue for any car manufacturer. Take poor old cash-strapped Lotus' 2000 cars per year at say an average of say 50,000 quid each and you still get a loss making 100 million quid annual income.
Anyway, well done VW and your shareholders for bank-rolling the engineering feat/cul-de-sac that is the Veyron. I just wish they sounded a bit more exciting.
Anyway, well done VW and your shareholders for bank-rolling the engineering feat/cul-de-sac that is the Veyron. I just wish they sounded a bit more exciting.
soad said:
Servicing cost is eye watering from what I recall? Tyres and wheels, at least.
"The problem is that a Veyron can easily generate a bill of £100,000 for an annual service...Each annual service reputedly requires that the Veyron be transported back to the Bugatti factory in Molsheim, France, for inspection and maintenance. “Bugatti will not touch the car if you don’t do what it wants to do,” says Hartley. “When the company says you need a new set of tyres, you need a set of tyres. That’s £6000 a corner. Then every three sets you need new wheels, which cost £50,000."
An annual service costs £15,000, but if any additional work – such as new wheels and tyres – is needed, the costs will spiral. "
From: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-car-buying-...
KTF said:
"The problem is that a Veyron can easily generate a bill of £100,000 for an annual service...
Each annual service reputedly requires that the Veyron be transported back to the Bugatti factory in Molsheim, France, for inspection and maintenance. “Bugatti will not touch the car if you don’t do what it wants to do,” says Hartley. “When the company says you need a new set of tyres, you need a set of tyres. That’s £6000 a corner. Then every three sets you need new wheels, which cost £50,000."
An annual service costs £15,000, but if any additional work – such as new wheels and tyres – is needed, the costs will spiral. "
From: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-car-buying-...
This is what I had heard, that the running costs were so ridiculous that even the stupidly rich cannot afford to run them, so their used values are falling while McLarens P1 and even the la Ferrari are rising.Each annual service reputedly requires that the Veyron be transported back to the Bugatti factory in Molsheim, France, for inspection and maintenance. “Bugatti will not touch the car if you don’t do what it wants to do,” says Hartley. “When the company says you need a new set of tyres, you need a set of tyres. That’s £6000 a corner. Then every three sets you need new wheels, which cost £50,000."
An annual service costs £15,000, but if any additional work – such as new wheels and tyres – is needed, the costs will spiral. "
From: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-car-buying-...
AlexHat said:
Ten years to sell 450 cars...no wonder they made all the special editions they did...
My thoughts exactly.....I've also heard some stat where a huge % of them have gone to owners that have bought more than one. I know some very well respected car "people" rave about it but I have always thought of it as being the ultimate portable display of disposable wealth (that you can take almost anywhere) more than a car. Look at how quickly the La Ferrari, 918 and P1 sold......all of which were in greater numbers. 998420 said:
This is what I had heard, that the running costs were so ridiculous that even the stupidly rich cannot afford to run them, so their used values are falling while McLarens P1 and even the la Ferrari are rising.
The original McLaren F1 production run was halved and cars fell in value considerably in the first few years - Rowan Atkinson famously ducked-around owning one until McLaren 'did him a deal' - Nick Mason bought 'second hand' (a racing car in-fact)It takes time for any brand (even one which has made cars in the past and won races galore) to establish itself as making something worth owning and Bugatti are no exception to this - Veyron is their 'first car' - it was always going to be hard work.
Tom Hartley has a chip because Bugatti made it hard for him to source cars - like any manuf. they tried to control the market and that huffs speculators like him.
I doubt anyone wealthy enough to buy a 1M+ Euro car would be troubled by those servicing costs and I'm 100% certain it has nothing to do with their resale value plunge (which mostly came in a period pre 2012 when cars were not accruing value anyway).
Also, unlike P1s and LaFerraris, Veyrons are highly personal things. Buyers spend eons speccing them in great detail and that has an effect on resale because - well - do you want the one with hand-inland broomhandles and horsehair seats?
DO you even want a second-hand status symbol - is that not missing the point of the thing?
KTF said:
soad said:
Servicing cost is eye watering from what I recall? Tyres and wheels, at least.
"The problem is that a Veyron can easily generate a bill of £100,000 for an annual service...Each annual service reputedly requires that the Veyron be transported back to the Bugatti factory in Molsheim, France, for inspection and maintenance. “Bugatti will not touch the car if you don’t do what it wants to do,” says Hartley. “When the company says you need a new set of tyres, you need a set of tyres. That’s £6000 a corner. Then every three sets you need new wheels, which cost £50,000."
An annual service costs £15,000, but if any additional work – such as new wheels and tyres – is needed, the costs will spiral. "
From: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/used-car-buying-...
I dread to think what a fuel tank would set you back since it takes 8 days to weld one
it was an interesting OTT engineering project that dated very quickly, especially when you look at what the hybrid 3 can do with so much less
Dave Hedgehog said:
it was an interesting OTT engineering project that dated very quickly, especially when you look at what the hybrid 3 can do with so much less
I suppose on reflection that's quite a pertinent point. I think using hybrid technology other cars will come to surpass the Veyron in just about every way. The current crop probably have very similar acceleration but of course top speed still remains the domain of the Veyron for the time being. But they talked about the Veyron as a 'Concorde' moment, however the difference being that no passenger plane has come close to touching what Concorde can do.. so perhaps it won't go down in automotive history with quite the same amount of reverence and will instead just be seen as something of an expensive dinosaur?
Chicane-UK said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
it was an interesting OTT engineering project that dated very quickly, especially when you look at what the hybrid 3 can do with so much less
I suppose on reflection that's quite a pertinent point. I think using hybrid technology other cars will come to surpass the Veyron in just about every way. The current crop probably have very similar acceleration but of course top speed still remains the domain of the Veyron for the time being. But they talked about the Veyron as a 'Concorde' moment, however the difference being that no passenger plane has come close to touching what Concorde can do.. so perhaps it won't go down in automotive history with quite the same amount of reverence and will instead just be seen as something of an expensive dinosaur?
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