RE: Range Rover Evoque facelifted

[Radish]

Judge Dredd's new motor?

[Watchman]

unpc said:

Watchman said:

Over £50K for a decently-cosmetically-spec'd Evoque. How is this justifiable with such poor engines?

The search goes on.

It's justifiable as they sell every last one they make. What makes you think the engines are so poor? Genuine question?

My Mrs has a 190bhp diesel one and it's not an NVH masterclass but it goes well enough. Can only imagine the new Ingenium engine is a step up.

As I said, I'm clearly not their target customer. For £50K I'd want a LOT more power. £50K is a lot of cash for a 4-cyl engine.

[aeropilot]

unpc said:

What makes you think the engines are so poor? Genuine question?

It's a 4 cyl soot chucker - end of.

You couldn't pay me to own a 4 cyl diesel of any description -

[SlimJim16v]

aeropilot said:

It's a 4 cyl soot chucker - end of.
You couldn't pay me to own a 4 cyl diesel of any description -

Well said, same here.

The evoque, needs a more powerful petrol engine and some sort of limited slip diff, in the centre at least.
Otherwise it's just a tart's/poser's car.

[ajmcampbell]

Struggle to 'get' the Evoque... understand that it's a style statement but this comes at the cost of substance... for one with the options you'd want on it you could have a 335d xdrive touring (currently discounted to the tune of £10k) and £20k change... seems an absolute no brainer to me.

Edit: and if you needed off road capability, you could have the 330d and a nice Defender, Supercharged L322 or Classic Range Rover as well. Proper.

Edited by ajmcampbell on Wednesday 25th February 01:56

Edited by ajmcampbell on Wednesday 25th February 02:00

[EK993]

SlimJim16v said:

Well said, same here.

The evoque, needs a more powerful petrol engine and some sort of limited slip diff, in the centre at least.
Otherwise it's just a tart's/poser's car.

That's maybe what you want, but the car doesn't need it. Outside of the small world of PH how many people do you think give a damn about diffs and massive power?

JLR have got their market nailed, they can't shift enough of these things.

[Aeroresh]

EK993 said:

SlimJim16v said:

Well said, same here.

The evoque, needs a more powerful petrol engine and some sort of limited slip diff, in the centre at least.
Otherwise it's just a tart's/poser's car.

That's maybe what you want, but the car doesn't need it. Outside of the small world of PH how many people do you think give a damn about diffs and massive power?

JLR have got their market nailed, they can't shift enough of these things.

That's not exactly true. All the completion offer hot versions of their small SUVs and they sell well. JLR don't...They're the ones missing the trick.

[Paul O]

Aeroresh said:

That's not exactly true. All the completion offer hot versions of their small SUVs and they sell well. JLR don't...They're the ones missing the trick.

I thought that, as a general rule, hot versions of normal cars aren't very profitable when compared to the development costs against units sold?

I don't really see why anyone want a mega powerful version of this car to be honest. It's not really suited to traffic light GPs and flying at speed around the bends. That's more Porsches remit. Enter... The Macan.

[DonkeyApple]

Aeroresh said:

That's not exactly true. All the completion offer hot versions of their small SUVs and they sell well. JLR don't...They're the ones missing the trick.

I'm quite sure they aren't missing anything.

They are building at capacity. So, what is the cost of increasing that capacity versus the profit margin from the number of units of a high performance model, less the profit margin from just using that increased capacity to build more of the standard ones?

The simple answer is that it would be massively loss making. It's only cost effective to tool up for the lower volume models and allocate factory space when you have spare capacity.

And then add to this that the Jag SUV is going to be the performance model in this sector and you can see that JLR fully has its bases covered.

[zeppelin101]

For the people asking when the new range of petrols are coming, they are set for delivery late next year. The hot version a little later.

[Paul O]

Interesting to note that, the early model Evoque's have "Range Rover" badges everywhere. In fact, I can't think where there is even a reference to Land Rover.

Later models had the LR badge stuck to the front grill and it appears the facelift has refersed that trend with lots of logo greenery on the dash.

[Sheepshanks]

ajmcampbell said:

Struggle to 'get' the Evoque... understand that it's a style statement but this comes at the cost of substance... for one with the options you'd want on it you could have a 335d xdrive touring (currently discounted to the tune of £10k) and £20k change... seems an absolute no brainer to me.

Except that you can't "look down on the little people" from the driver's seat of a 335d Touring.

[PhillipM]

Aeroresh said:

That's not exactly true. All the completion offer hot versions of their small SUVs and they sell well. JLR don't...They're the ones missing the trick.

Depends what you class as a version of the car, they do REALLY hot one given they worked with Milner on the bodyshells and design for these:



Not the most practical version mind

[ajmcampbell]

Sheepshanks said:

Except that you can't "look down on the little people" from the driver's seat of a 335d Touring.

But you are looked down on by L322 Drivers... if you're going to do the class pretention thing at least do it properly; with a V8!

[Sheepshanks]

ajmcampbell said:

But you are looked down on by L322 Drivers... if you're going to do the class pretention thing at least do it properly; with a V8!

The engine discussions in this thread are hilarious - few people in the real world give a toss what engine is in these vehicles. They'll have 3cyl 1 litre engines soon.

[aeropilot]

What I want is something the size, usefulness and practicality of a Defender 90, but with a little bit more refinement and comfort (getting old!) and with an engine that doesn't sound like a JCB.

[HannsG]

I really like that

[unpc]

aeropilot said:

unpc said:

What makes you think the engines are so poor? Genuine question?

It's a 4 cyl soot chucker - end of.

You couldn't pay me to own a 4 cyl diesel of any description -

But that's what the market demands. I hate diesels probably more than you do but doesn't make them poor. JLR have nailed this product perfectly. They don't need to pander to the likes of us who might buy a few dozen a year. Can pretty much guarantee there would no return of investment for a hot version. Who the fk wants a performance SUV anyway?

[Zippee]

unpc said:

aeropilot said:

unpc said:

What makes you think the engines are so poor? Genuine question?

It's a 4 cyl soot chucker - end of.

You couldn't pay me to own a 4 cyl diesel of any description -

But that's what the market demands. I hate diesels probably more than you do but doesn't make them poor. JLR have nailed this product perfectly. They don't need to pander to the likes of us who might buy a few dozen a year. Can pretty much guarantee there would no return of investment for a hot version. Who the fk wants a performance SUV anyway?

The appeal of the Evoque is both in it's style but also it's ride and comfort. The 2.2diesel may not be the fatsest or most powerful but in the real world you don't 'need' any more. It's an incredibly relaxed cruiser, very well built and specced and JLR can't shift them fast enough so no need for a hot version.

[Labbetts]

SlimJim16v said:

aeropilot said:

It's a 4 cyl soot chucker - end of.
You couldn't pay me to own a 4 cyl diesel of any description -

Well said, same here.

The evoque, needs a more powerful petrol engine and some sort of limited slip diff, in the centre at least.
Otherwise it's just a tart's/poser's car.

Tart/poser? Who gives a f*ck. Isn't all automobile exotica?
Would be a pretty uninspiring world if we all just drove the car we "needed"

It's a pretty family car, end of. Something more interesting than a saloon.
I don't think anyone would buy them as a performance wagon. Why would you?