A close shave on the A9

[TooMany2cvs]

daveinhampshire said:

To all the people suggesting in any way the car driver was at fault for not keeping a crystal ball on the dashboard go fk yourselves, you're idiots.

Maybe. But I'm an idiot who noticed the wagon tonking towards the junction and failing to slow at all in the 12 seconds it was visible, rather than being an idiot who waited until it crossed the line straight at him.

[g7jhp]

Well the video footage made the local BBC News in the Highlands & Islands.

[andy-xr]

TooMany2cvs said:

Maybe. But I'm an idiot who noticed the wagon tonking towards the junction and failing to slow at all in the 12 seconds it was visible, rather than being an idiot who waited until it crossed the line straight at him.

It's kind of hard not to notice when there's pointers on the screen telling you what's coming up.

I think 9,999/10,000 it'd be safe to assume that a lorry heading to a junction of a road you're on isnt going to just not stop at the Give Way sign, line or turn. It's one of the things that as drivers, we just kind of take for granted. I get that, with observation and training, you can get better at spotting these things, but what's the answer - stop in the middle of the road incase someone doesnt fancy giving way? 9,999 times you'll be wrong, beeped at and later than planned to arrive

[Blue Oval84]

If this video wasn't titled "A close shave", showed say ten full minutes of driving, and didn't have a fking big bubble on the screen telling you to watch the truck, I guarantee that most people wouldn't be thinking "I can see what's about to happen here" 12 seconds before the lorry pulled out.

[Tony33]

andy-xr said:

I think 9,999/10,000 it'd be safe to assume that a lorry heading to a junction of a road you're on isnt going to just not stop at the Give Way sign, line or turn. It's one of the things that as drivers, we just kind of take for granted. I get that, with observation and training, you can get better at spotting these things, but what's the answer - stop in the middle of the road incase someone doesnt fancy giving way? 9,999 times you'll be wrong, beeped at and later than planned to arrive

It is a classic example used in the hazard perception vids for the theory test. The only reason I know is my youngest just passed. They are easy to spot because you know there is something you have to find. In reality you would assume it would stop but have clocked its presence and are prepared just in case, otherwise you would slow down at every junction with approaching traffic.

[TooMany2cvs]

andy-xr said:

I think 9,999/10,000 it'd be safe to assume that a lorry heading to a junction of a road you're on isnt going to just not stop at the Give Way sign, line or turn.

And 9,999 out of 10,000 it would.

That 10,000th time, though, when it doesn't even show the first signs of slowing down, and is approaching the junction at unabated speed...? You think the driver's suddenly going to lock everything up on it? He might do. But all you need to do is ease off a bit and prepare to brake. With a bit more awareness, you wouldn't even need to brake - because he's either stopped or is through the junction before you get to it.

[pingu393]

g7jhp said:

Well the video footage made the local BBC News in the Highlands & Islands.

I hope it makes it to the TV news. If it's only on the website, the audience won't be much more than it is already.

[pingu393]

Tony33 said:

t is a classic example used in the hazard perception vids for the theory test. The only reason I know is my youngest just passed. They are easy to spot because you know there is something you have to find. In reality you would assume it would stop but have clocked its presence and are prepared just in case, otherwise you would slow down at every junction with approaching traffic.

It would be good to show this to anyone on an awareness course or a theory test and just listen to the room fill with profanity at 0:32 .

[North West Tom]

There are so many occasions of "carry on and hope" that I see everyday when I'm driving. People approaching blind junctions/roundabaouts with the attitude of "I can't see past the wall/tree/building so I'll assume that nothing's coming and I'll just have to slam on if anything does come and st up the other driver". It's just lazy and idiotic. Winds me up.

[ModernAndy]

Tony33 said:

t is a classic example used in the hazard perception vids for the theory test. The only reason I know is my youngest just passed. They are easy to spot because you know there is something you have to find. In reality you would assume it would stop but have clocked its presence and are prepared just in case, otherwise you would slow down at every junction with approaching traffic.

I was thinking along the same lines. It is actually a perfect example of hazard perception but you still don't really expect the lorry not to stop until the very last moment when it's clear it couldn't stop in time even if the driver wanted to. I'm sure the lorry driver has learned his lesson but he's going to get such a doing when the police investigate this now it's gone viral.

[ORD]

TooMany2cvs said:

andy-xr said:

I think 9,999/10,000 it'd be safe to assume that a lorry heading to a junction of a road you're on isnt going to just not stop at the Give Way sign, line or turn.

And 9,999 out of 10,000 it would.

That 10,000th time, though, when it doesn't even show the first signs of slowing down, and is approaching the junction at unabated speed...? You think the driver's suddenly going to lock everything up on it? He might do. But all you need to do is ease off a bit and prepare to brake. With a bit more awareness, you wouldn't even need to brake - because he's either stopped or is through the junction before you get to it.

Hindsight is strong in this one.

I have had to anchor on about 3 times in 15 years of driving so count myself pretty good at anticipating danger and easing off early, but there is no way that I would have anticipated that lorry coming all the way over until, at the earliest, when he joined the road. Until then, the lorry would be on my radar but just tagged with 'keep an eye on that lorry' not 'danger".

[iambeowulf]

XDA said:

iambeowulf said:

The fact is if a driver of a large vehicle can pull out of a T-junction without stopping then it's better for everyone as they are not then putting themselves and other road users in danger for as long. It takes at least 5 seconds to clear the nearest lane (from the T junction) from a dead stop and another 15/20 seconds to get up to the 40mph speed limit.

"Better for everyone"? Don't you mean it's better for the truck driver?

I don't appreciate having a truck pull out infront of me when I'm doing 60-65 mph, which will force me to brake and then impede my progress as it (legally) travels at 40 mph. It's knobbish selfish driving but unfortunately all too common.

I bet you are one of those blokes (assuming you are male) who when observing, in plenty of time, a car/truck/bike will be pulling out/overtaking/stopping you accelerate/brake/swerve whilst sounding your horn just so you can make your displeasure known and how that persons driving nearly caused a massive accident, whilst giving him the wker sign - but not stopping of course.

The fact is there are far too many idiot car drivers on the road and the vast majority of LGV or professional drivers are very good.

(For the record I have not driven LGV full time for 8 years.)

[andym1603]

Police now stating a 43yr old driver has been reported to the Procurator Fiscal.

Police can confirm that following enquiries in to video footage of a lorry on the A9 at the Tomich junction, a 43 year-old man has been reported to the Procurator Fiscal for road traffic offences.
Police would like to remind all road users to be vigilant when driving, especially when approaching or negotiating busy junctions.

[XDA]

iambeowulf said:

XDA said:

iambeowulf said:

The fact is if a driver of a large vehicle can pull out of a T-junction without stopping then it's better for everyone as they are not then putting themselves and other road users in danger for as long. It takes at least 5 seconds to clear the nearest lane (from the T junction) from a dead stop and another 15/20 seconds to get up to the 40mph speed limit.

"Better for everyone"? Don't you mean it's better for the truck driver?

I don't appreciate having a truck pull out infront of me when I'm doing 60-65 mph, which will force me to brake and then impede my progress as it (legally) travels at 40 mph. It's knobbish selfish driving but unfortunately all too common.

I bet you are one of those blokes (assuming you are male) who when observing, in plenty of time, a car/truck/bike will be pulling out/overtaking/stopping you accelerate/brake/swerve whilst sounding your horn just so you can make your displeasure known and how that persons driving nearly caused a massive accident, whilst giving him the wker sign - but not stopping of course.

The fact is there are far too many idiot car drivers on the road and the vast majority of LGV or professional drivers are very good.

(For the record I have not driven LGV full time for 8 years.)

You bet wrong.

You've gone off on some completely unrelated tangent, totally ignoring what I posted.

[MissChief]

andym1603 said:

Police now stating a 43yr old driver has been reported to the Procurator Fiscal.

Police can confirm that following enquiries in to video footage of a lorry on the A9 at the Tomich junction, a 43 year-old man has been reported to the Procurator Fiscal for road traffic offences.
Police would like to remind all road users to be vigilant when driving, especially when approaching or negotiating busy junctions.

And rightly so IMO.

[andy-xr]

MissChief said:

andym1603 said:

Police now stating a 43yr old driver has been reported to the Procurator Fiscal.

Police can confirm that following enquiries in to video footage of a lorry on the A9 at the Tomich junction, a 43 year-old man has been reported to the Procurator Fiscal for road traffic offences.
Police would like to remind all road users to be vigilant when driving, especially when approaching or negotiating busy junctions.

And rightly so IMO.

I'd put a fiver on Failure to Stop being the one that lands

[MissChief]

Possibly 'Without due care and attention' too.

[Mr2Mike]

andy-xr said:

Nice one Captain Hindsight

ORD said:

Hindsight is strong in this one.

20/20 hindsight in fact. It's very easy to criticise when watching a video from a nice comfy seat, rather different when you are actually involved.

[getawayturtle]

alexnessie said:

People not bothering to look properly/stop at junctions seems to be a common thing up here in the highlands.

Here's one I got a few nights ago in Inverness, the day after getting my dashcam, luckily enough!

Apologies in advance for my taste in music!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoU0ArBnBX8

fking hell, what a moron.

[ianrb]

alexnessie said:

People not bothering to look properly/stop at junctions seems to be a common thing up here in the highlands.

Here's one I got a few nights ago in Inverness, the day after getting my dashcam, luckily enough!

Apologies in advance for my taste in music!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoU0ArBnBX8

So why did you stop in the middle of the road, and what was the thud just before the end?