A close shave on the A9

A close shave on the A9

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pingu393

7,728 posts

204 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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AFAIK, you don't have to volunteer that you have a dashcam, and if asked you don't have to hand it over (unless you are under arrest or if plod has a warrant to search your vehicle).

If you were caught deleting/losing the card you are probably perverting the course of justice, but "Yes I have a dashcam, but I forgot to put the card in it this morning" might become a well used phrase wink.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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pingu393 said:
My latest DCW moment smile...

http://youtu.be/YTYRCsorCW0
Bad driving from you there. You knew what was happening and could have made it safe by just easing off.

kendun

11 posts

109 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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alexnessie said:
Well it was either warrior (meant sarcastically, obviously) or a bit of the old coffee beans.
In my view, you are entirely right in going down to have a chat.. ideally, it should be more than chat, but hey..

rambo19

2,737 posts

136 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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ORD said:
pingu393 said:
My latest DCW moment smile...

http://youtu.be/YTYRCsorCW0
Bad driving from you there. You knew what was happening and could have made it safe by just easing off.
I give up!
OP did sod all wrong, whats next?, your fault you got burgled because you did'nt have 6 deadlocks on your door.

pingu393

7,728 posts

204 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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ORD said:
Bad driving from you there. You knew what was happening and could have made it safe by just easing off.
Don't disagree about easing off, but I'm not going to "open the door" by braking. If he wants to "go for it", I'm aware of what's going on and I'm ready to react.

My foot had been off the throttle, covering the brake for ages (at least from when he passed the car behind me and started to draw along side). As it turned out, I didn't need to use the brakes and judged that if I had, the ripple would have caused problems further back in the queue. If I didn't have track experience (very limited, but enough to understand relative speed differentials), I may not have realised that six inches is more than enough at the same speed. Others may have panic braked.

The driver of the white car doesn't know what my experience is. He also brakes (doesn't slow, but enough to put the brake lights on) just after the move. That could have been been the emergency brake moment for a less experienced driver. I'm experienced enough to know whether he was slowing or not. All he did was dip the front of his car, the speed remained the same to within 1 or 2mph.

SSC!

1,849 posts

179 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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alexnessie said:
People not bothering to look properly/stop at junctions seems to be a common thing up here in the highlands.

Here's one I got a few nights ago in Inverness, the day after getting my dashcam, luckily enough!

Apologies in advance for my taste in music!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoU0ArBnBX8
Did you see the polo on the junction? Only reason I asked is exactly the same thing happened to me a few years back on same road but past the pub. although it was daylight and I spotted him but I was obscured by the van on the inside lane that was turning left. I backed off and managed to give him brown trouser moment as the bonnet of the muzzy faced his door. And that was long before that road changed into a 30 zone lol.

getawayturtle

3,560 posts

173 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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alexnessie said:
After nearly causing an accident, I think the least the driver deserved was being shouted at, maybe it'll make him think twice about pulling out without properly looking.
In that situation, I probably would have done exactly the same thing.

Out of curiosity, how did he react?

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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pingu393 said:
ORD said:
Bad driving from you there. You knew what was happening and could have made it safe by just easing off.
Don't disagree about easing off, but I'm not going to "open the door" by braking. If he wants to "go for it", I'm aware of what's going on and I'm ready to react.

My foot had been off the throttle, covering the brake for ages (at least from when he passed the car behind me and started to draw along side). As it turned out, I didn't need to use the brakes and judged that if I had, the ripple would have caused problems further back in the queue. If I didn't have track experience (very limited, but enough to understand relative speed differentials), I may not have realised that six inches is more than enough at the same speed. Others may have panic braked.

The driver of the white car doesn't know what my experience is. He also brakes (doesn't slow, but enough to put the brake lights on) just after the move. That could have been been the emergency brake moment for a less experienced driver. I'm experienced enough to know whether he was slowing or not. All he did was dip the front of his car, the speed remained the same to within 1 or 2mph.
You preferred to leave a 6 inch gap to a gentle brake? You can try to justify that, but it was not the safest way to deal with the situation. You plainly didn't want to be "forced" to brake.

But the point is this - all it would have taken is for that guy to fluff a gear change or panic brake and you would have collided. You could have given a safe distance by braking gently. You are an experienced driver and know that.

I'm not trying to call you out or slag you off. We all drive imperfectly, especially when someone else is in the wrong and we don't want to help them do so.

pingu393

7,728 posts

204 months

Friday 27th February 2015
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ORD said:
You preferred to leave a 6 inch gap to a gentle brake? You can try to justify that, but it was not the safest way to deal with the situation. You plainly didn't want to be "forced" to brake.

But the point is this - all it would have taken is for that guy to fluff a gear change or panic brake and you would have collided. You could have given a safe distance by braking gently. You are an experienced driver and know that.

I'm not trying to call you out or slag you off. We all drive imperfectly, especially when someone else is in the wrong and we don't want to help them do so.
Don't disagree with a word.

alexnessie

136 posts

155 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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kendun said:
In my view, you are entirely right in going down to have a chat.. ideally, it should be more than chat, but hey..
From previous experiences, after somebody caved in the front of my beemer, I've learnt to keep my temper in check, so thought that a quick bit of verbal followed by leaving before the adrenaline hit was the best idea. I'm also not a powerfully built company director so I didn't think that offering up some physical education to two guys in the middle of a main road was the best idea! I think giving him a scare back was fair for him making my seat disappear firmly up my backside!

getawayturtle said:
In that situation, I probably would have done exactly the same thing.

Out of curiosity, how did he react?
Shrank into his seat, stammered out an apology. Hoping he was as shocked at his stupidity as I was and he's thought about being more careful, although this is Inverness, so probably not.

SSC! said:
Did you see the polo on the junction? Only reason I asked is exactly the same thing happened to me a few years back on same road but past the pub. although it was daylight and I spotted him but I was obscured by the van on the inside lane that was turning left. I backed off and managed to give him brown trouser moment as the bonnet of the muzzy faced his door. And that was long before that road changed into a 30 zone lol.


What the camera picked up is pretty much what I saw! I did see it slightly earlier than the camera, being further out to the side than it, but no measurable difference tbqh!

As far as I see it, the duty of pulling out safely was fully on him. When I was taught to drive, the golden rule was "don't do anything that would make others have to avoid you." I would (fairly?) interpret this as, I was the established traffic at the time, following my lane at the correct speed and safely, the full duty of care to other traffic was on the Polo joining the road!

Even though it's annoyed me that such a long straight road has been dropped from 40mph to 30mph, if it was still a 40, would I have been able to scrub off that extra 10mph?

Do you mean the junction just after the Chieftain? I've had a few "he's going to stop at the junction, right?!" moments there if so!

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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pingu393 said:
Don't disagree with a word.
beer:

This is PH, though, mate. You should spit the dummy out, call me a wker and question my parentage wink

iambeowulf

712 posts

171 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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XDA said:
You bet wrong.

You've gone off on some completely unrelated tangent, totally ignoring what I posted.
No point answering your points if you just flip off my facts.

Cretin.

Spitfire2

1,912 posts

185 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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iambeowulf said:
XDA said:
You bet wrong.

You've gone off on some completely unrelated tangent, totally ignoring what I posted.
No point answering your points if you just flip off my facts.

Cretin.
But you did go off on an unrelated tangent ignoring what he posted......

quiraing

1,649 posts

138 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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Time to close this thread. A lorry driver made a mistake. Fortunately no-one was hurt. How many other drivers have made mistakes since this was first posted?

S**t happens.

Edited by quiraing on Saturday 28th February 20:12

quiraing

1,649 posts

138 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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anonymous said:
[redacted]
Don't let it worry you too much, get a good night's sleep and you'll be fine.

Edited by quiraing on Saturday 28th February 20:51

pingu393

7,728 posts

204 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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ORD said:
pingu393 said:
Don't disagree with a word.
beer:

This is PH, though, mate. You should spit the dummy out, call me a wker and question my parentage wink
I kicked the cat. That seemed to relieve my anger towards you. beer

jamoor

14,506 posts

214 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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ORD said:
Bad driving from you there. You knew what was happening and could have made it safe by just easing off.
I'm fairly certain he sped up?

Sheepshanks

32,541 posts

118 months

Saturday 28th February 2015
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jamoor said:
ORD said:
Bad driving from you there. You knew what was happening and could have made it safe by just easing off.
I'm fairly certain he sped up?
It looked like it, but half-heartedly. It's one of those daft situations where he did neither one thing nor the other - he could have moved up and more positively blocked or (but who likes to back down wink ) he could have eased of a little and let the other car in.

I tend to flash the other car in, so it looks like it was my choice. smile

pingu393

7,728 posts

204 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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Sheepshanks said:
jamoor said:
ORD said:
Bad driving from you there. You knew what was happening and could have made it safe by just easing off.
I'm fairly certain he sped up?
It looked like it, but half-heartedly. It's one of those daft situations where he did neither one thing nor the other - he could have moved up and more positively blocked or (but who likes to back down wink ) he could have eased of a little and let the other car in.

I tend to flash the other car in, so it looks like it was my choice. smile
If "he" is me, I just kept the same gap from the car in front, but was fully aware of the threat from the left. The white car had to speed up to make the gap before it closed behind the tractor, this is probably why he braked after getting into the gap.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
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pingu393 said:
but was fully aware of the threat from the left.