A close shave on the A9
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TooMany2cvs said:
pingu393 said:
but was fully aware of the threat from the left.
I don't know about you, I try to see where the threats are and prepare to react to them.
I saw him passing on the left from several cars back. I could have closed the gap to an unsafe distance, or I could have opened the gap to 4 seconds. I chose to do neither and maintained my spacing to the car in front of me.
I was fully aware of his presence and would have braked if I needed to, but only by enough to not hit him. Our delta was less than 5mph when he pulled in and I judged (correctly) that the lift off (and covering the brake) that I was doing was enough.
Over-braking is what causes the ripple that slows down the whole queue and causes accidents further back.
Video showing both front and rear views
I'm genuinely interested to know what the PH masses do when an undertaker does this to them. Also, what is the "book answer".
pingu393 said:
Not sure why you quoted me, but...
Your powers of observation clearly don't extend to post icons?pingu393 said:
I don't know about you, I try to see where the threats are and prepare to react to them.
<rewatches Youtube vid>pingu393 said:
I saw him passing on the left from several cars back. I could have closed the gap to an unsafe distance, or I could have opened the gap to 4 seconds. I chose to do neither and maintained my spacing to the car in front of me.
So you saw that there was somebody needing to move into a too-small gap, and deliberately kept the gap too small, making the blindingly obvious more difficult than need be. Go you. You rock.pingu393 said:
Over-braking is what causes the ripple that slows down the whole queue and causes accidents further back.
But a gentle and early lift, to allow a gap to open up? That doesn't...TooMany2cvs said:
pingu393 said:
Not sure why you quoted me, but...
Your powers of observation clearly don't extend to post icons?I wondered if the raised eyes were to do with the word "threat"
pingu393 said:
I don't know about you, I try to see where the threats are and prepare to react to them.
<rewatches Youtube vid>? not sure what you mean. To me, the threat was from the guy on the left potentially cutting in. He did. I was prepared.
pingu393 said:
I saw him passing on the left from several cars back. I could have closed the gap to an unsafe distance, or I could have opened the gap to 4 seconds. I chose to do neither and maintained my spacing to the car in front of me.
So you saw that there was somebody needing to move into a too-small gap, and deliberately kept the gap too small, making the blindingly obvious more difficult than need be. Go you. You rock.You say "needing". I say "wanting". I do the same move as he did quite often, but I don't advance as fast up the left and I hold station indicating right until a gap opens up. He chose to go for the gap, not me. I am just saying that if I had been a panic braker things may have been different
pingu393 said:
Over-braking is what causes the ripple that slows down the whole queue and causes accidents further back.
But a gentle and early lift, to allow a gap to open up? That doesn't...Gentle and early doesn't, but hard and late does
Pingu has been perfectly honest and clear about what happened and that, in an ideal world, he would have chosen an option that generated less risk.
I know the right answer - ease off and brake gently to increase the gap once you see it will be used.
That's the right answer. I expect that I would do it most of the time, perhaps all, but I cannot say for certain. We all sometimes drive badly out of frustration, inattention, trying to prove we are in the right or whatever.
I know the right answer - ease off and brake gently to increase the gap once you see it will be used.
That's the right answer. I expect that I would do it most of the time, perhaps all, but I cannot say for certain. We all sometimes drive badly out of frustration, inattention, trying to prove we are in the right or whatever.
pingu393 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
pingu393 said:
I don't know about you, I try to see where the threats are and prepare to react to them.
<rewatches Youtube vid>pingu393 said:
I saw him passing on the left from several cars back. I could have closed the gap to an unsafe distance, or I could have opened the gap to 4 seconds. I chose to do neither and maintained my spacing to the car in front of me.
So you saw that there was somebody needing to move into a too-small gap, and deliberately kept the gap too small, making the blindingly obvious more difficult than need be. Go you. You rock.pingu393 said:
You say "needing". I say "wanting".
Irrelevant.pingu393 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
pingu393 said:
Over-braking is what causes the ripple that slows down the whole queue and causes accidents further back.
But a gentle and early lift, to allow a gap to open up? That doesn't...Oh, and your quoting sucks as badly as your excuses.
TooMany2cvs said:
If you'd really seen him coming up, and the blindingly obvious move he had to make...
He didn't have to make that move at all. You're trying to make it sound like the muppet couldn't do anything except force his way in under the circumstances.He could have easily braked and held station.
Even if he had to brake hard it would have been less dangerous than the move he chose which brought him into such close proximity to OP and the car in front whilst trying to match his speed to theirs.
PorkInsider said:
He didn't have to make that move at all. You're trying to make it sound like the muppet couldn't do anything except force his way in under the circumstances.
He could have easily braked and held station.
Even if he had to brake hard it would have been less dangerous than the move he chose which brought him into such close proximity to OP and the car in front whilst trying to match his speed to theirs.
No doubt the other driver was a knob!He could have easily braked and held station.
Even if he had to brake hard it would have been less dangerous than the move he chose which brought him into such close proximity to OP and the car in front whilst trying to match his speed to theirs.
PorkInsider said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Fair comment. Yes, "had to" was bad wording.
Happy with "...he was almost certain to make..."?
Agreed. He was always going to do it...Happy with "...he was almost certain to make..."?
Anyway, you've read my side of it. It would be interesting to read the other guy's take on it.
pingu393 said:
I was fairly confident that he was going to do it as well (I won't say knew, because I can't know what he was thinking). I gave him enough room (just). At no point did I brake - and at no point did I need to brake, but I was prepared to and I was covering the brake when he came along side me until I had a safe gap.
Anyway, you've read my side of it. It would be interesting to read the other guy's take on it.
"I am fAnyway, you've read my side of it. It would be interesting to read the other guy's take on it.
king awesome. I had to undertake some noobs and then dive in last minute, like a boss. fkers probably cannot handle how cool I am..."The pause as the end is someone sensible killing him with a brick.
pingu393 said:
Sheepshanks said:
pingu393 said:
I could have closed the gap to an unsafe distance, or I could have opened the gap to 4 seconds. I chose to do neither...
Exactly my point earlier.25% of drivers are mentally disturbed to a lesser or greater extent and another chunk are probably off their heads on something so once they're heading in front of you they don't obey the normal rules of caution.
. Too late, my friend 
.pingu393 said:
Holy jesus crap balls! :OKudos to you for avoiding that incident, top w
r points for the knob in the Polio. Anyone says you're partially to blame, frankly, if a knob. How can you reasonably expect some knuckle dragging moron to pull out there.
R2T2 said:
A mirror is to look behind, not ahead, or out of the side window, which the Polo should've been doing.
I actually commend the camera car for avoiding that, and I cannot see how they could've acted any differently.
Nobody's said the other guy wasn't a knob.I actually commend the camera car for avoiding that, and I cannot see how they could've acted any differently.
But pingu certainly should have seen him coming in the mirror, then through the side window, and found it utterly expected that he'd do that. In fact, if you bother to read the last page or two, he did. He just then deliberately chose to exacerbate the situation by not making space for what even he expected to happen.
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