A close shave on the A9
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FourWheelDrift said:
This is the junction he was turning out of - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@57.708742,-4.181958...
Yes it is, its close by me.I think I get what Antracer is trying to say, at the point that the collision would have occurred (say about 32-33 seconds), if the car had hit the lorry, it would have been a glancing blow and wouldn't have entailed 50-0mph quickly.
It would have deflected the car and bounced it onto the grass verge, which in all honesty is unlikely to be fatal (serious pre-existing medical ailments not withstanding). The driver appears to have full braking in effect from about 31-32 seconds as well so had already scrubbed off a chunk of speed by the time the collision almost happened.
Anyway, this is all fairly besides the point really, fact is the lorry driver was a t
t. The car driver was probably "thinking" of reacting from about 30-31 seconds (assuming 1-1.5 seconds reaction time), I don't think I would have been seriously thinking he was going to come out significantly earlier than that. Maybe 29 seconds if I'm being generous with myself.
I definitely wouldn't have been braking at 25 seconds as suggested earlier, only with the benefit of hindsight.
It would have deflected the car and bounced it onto the grass verge, which in all honesty is unlikely to be fatal (serious pre-existing medical ailments not withstanding). The driver appears to have full braking in effect from about 31-32 seconds as well so had already scrubbed off a chunk of speed by the time the collision almost happened.
Anyway, this is all fairly besides the point really, fact is the lorry driver was a t
t. The car driver was probably "thinking" of reacting from about 30-31 seconds (assuming 1-1.5 seconds reaction time), I don't think I would have been seriously thinking he was going to come out significantly earlier than that. Maybe 29 seconds if I'm being generous with myself.I definitely wouldn't have been braking at 25 seconds as suggested earlier, only with the benefit of hindsight.
g7jhp said:
Why was that inevitable?
You might have expected the lorry to pull half across waiting for the car to pass, but the lorry driver was blind. Not sure if he even realized he'd done it as the driver didn't hit the horn.
Didn't or couldn't? As Homer Simpson says, "a car should have a horn here, here, here and here, you can never find the horn when you're mad."You might have expected the lorry to pull half across waiting for the car to pass, but the lorry driver was blind. Not sure if he even realized he'd done it as the driver didn't hit the horn.
Antracer said:
I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how that incident could have been fatal?. (from anyone)
Strangely enough despite several people believing it could have been fatal no one has offered up any logical reasoning. If you have a valid point then back it up.
As for fragility of the human body. i found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOjEh_0ytno
Which was rather eye opening.
You are being called a troll because it is quite painfully obvious how a collision between a fast moving car and a practically stationary HGV could have been fatal. So you are either trolling or have the mental capability of a toddler. Strangely enough despite several people believing it could have been fatal no one has offered up any logical reasoning. If you have a valid point then back it up.
As for fragility of the human body. i found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOjEh_0ytno
Which was rather eye opening.
If it's the latter then let me explain it in terms you'll understand:
Small car, go fast, hit big lorry. Big boom. Car driver go bye bye.
Hope that helps!
WinstonWolf said:
Antracer said:
danjama said:
Antracer, are you seriously saying you can't imagine how that could have been fatal?
I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how that incident could have been fatal?. (from anyone)Strangely enough despite several people believing it could have been fatal no one has offered up any logical reasoning. If you have a valid point then back it up.
As for fragility of the human body. i found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOjEh_0ytno
Which was rather eye opening.
I take it you skipped physics at school?
Many years ago I was in my car in south Norfolk, near a town called Diss, I was following an escort on a damp road through some corners, the car in front lost traction, fishtailed and as it came to a halt sideways it was hit by an artic coming the other way, the truck was empty and the driver had tried to slow down as best he could from just over 30mph (evidence submitted at inquest) he hit the car almost square on pushing it back towards me. I got out and ran to the car, it had some damage, enough to jam the door and the driver was lying across the seats towards the footwell, seatbelt still on. I, and another driver,crawled in to the car but found the driver to be unresponsive and with out pulse. He was declared dead at the scene. Turned out the impact to his door had caused his heart to rupture, killing him almost instantly. Slow speed, glancing blow.....dead driver.
The truck in the video was empty, approx 8-9 tons for the unit, maybe 3 tons for the trailer as its a skelly type trailer and my empty framed curtainsider is 3.8 tons so maybe 12 tons total. If anyone here fancies a "glancing blow" on the drivers side from 12 tons of truck and thinks it will be anything other than serious then I fear you need help, this isn't the movies!
Also note that this is a loggers trailer, there are no sidebars so if he missed the unit he would get the trailer at head height followed by the rear axles, I don't think that would end well either. On the bright side the impact could have rolled him out of control over the grass into one of the poles or maybe the stone wall that is next to him.
Nevermind though as there are far more informed experts on here than little old me, I just drive the things and am all to aware of how much damage I can cause no matter what my speed, unlike the moron in the video.
Oh and Antracer, offering up an opinion designed to get a negative reaction has a label, pretending to be offended by that reaction doesn't make you right, there was no fatal crash, just opinion on what could have happened. If you really believe that an impact with a HGV could not be fatal then fine, just stay off the roads in case your delusions end up killing you. No offence but you are coming across as somewhat 6th form, plenty of opinion with little explanation for yourself.
The truck in the video was empty, approx 8-9 tons for the unit, maybe 3 tons for the trailer as its a skelly type trailer and my empty framed curtainsider is 3.8 tons so maybe 12 tons total. If anyone here fancies a "glancing blow" on the drivers side from 12 tons of truck and thinks it will be anything other than serious then I fear you need help, this isn't the movies!
Also note that this is a loggers trailer, there are no sidebars so if he missed the unit he would get the trailer at head height followed by the rear axles, I don't think that would end well either. On the bright side the impact could have rolled him out of control over the grass into one of the poles or maybe the stone wall that is next to him.
Nevermind though as there are far more informed experts on here than little old me, I just drive the things and am all to aware of how much damage I can cause no matter what my speed, unlike the moron in the video.
Oh and Antracer, offering up an opinion designed to get a negative reaction has a label, pretending to be offended by that reaction doesn't make you right, there was no fatal crash, just opinion on what could have happened. If you really believe that an impact with a HGV could not be fatal then fine, just stay off the roads in case your delusions end up killing you. No offence but you are coming across as somewhat 6th form, plenty of opinion with little explanation for yourself.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 24th February 21:29
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 24th February 21:31
R1gtr said:
Hrimfaxi said:
I commend the driver for lack of swearing - I think I would of set a new record!
Then chased after him and beaten him to death with his shoe!
I'm surprised the truck made no effort to stop, or even slow and check if all was ok.
BugLebowski said:
You are being called a troll because it is quite painfully obvious how a collision between a fast moving car and a practically stationary HGV could have been fatal. So you are either trolling or have the mental capability of a toddler.
If it's the latter then let me explain it in terms you'll understand:
Small car, go fast, hit big lorry. Big boom. Car driver go bye bye.
Hope that helps!
Ha, ha brilliant!If it's the latter then let me explain it in terms you'll understand:
Small car, go fast, hit big lorry. Big boom. Car driver go bye bye.
Hope that helps!
The lorry driver in that clip was an arse, dreadful piece of driving and sadly becoming more common these days.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Many years ago... as it came to a halt sideways it was hit by an artic coming the other way, he hit the car almost square on pushing it back towards me.
Slow speed, glancing blow.....dead driver.
That doesn't sound remotely like a glancing blow from your description.Slow speed, glancing blow.....dead driver.
A glancing blow is one whereby there is a shallow angle of impact and rather than a sudden acceleration/deceleration, the car would bounce off in a different direction (in this case, towards the verge) their deceleration would therefore be much more gentle.
Hit head on by a lorry at 40-50mph is always going to result in a death, likewise driving straight into the side of it will result in the same. This accident, had it actually happened, wouldn't have been either of those things.
chilistrucker said:
Ha, ha brilliant!
The lorry driver in that clip was an arse, dreadful piece of driving and sadly becoming more common these days.
Too true, industry is desperate for drivers so bad drivers can screw up one place and then walk into a job elsewhere as companies are being less picky.The lorry driver in that clip was an arse, dreadful piece of driving and sadly becoming more common these days.
On the bright side our speed limits go up in a few weeks so chances are there will be even more YouTube action from morons like this logger who will feel even more justified in driving like chimps............
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Too true, industry is desperate for drivers so bad drivers can screw up one place and then walk into a job elsewhere as companies are being less picky.
On the bright side our speed limits go up in a few weeks so chances are there will be even more YouTube action from morons like this logger who will feel even more justified in driving like chimps............
Sadly you are right.On the bright side our speed limits go up in a few weeks so chances are there will be even more YouTube action from morons like this logger who will feel even more justified in driving like chimps............
Truck drivers standards do seem to have gone down a fair bit in the last few years, there was a time i'd scream and shout to fight our corner but not anymore.
Peanuts, monkeys and all that.
Blue Oval84 said:
That doesn't sound remotely like a glancing blow from your description.
A glancing blow is one whereby there is a shallow angle of impact and rather than a sudden acceleration/deceleration, the car would bounce off in a different direction (in this case, towards the verge) their deceleration would therefore be much more gentle.
Hit head on by a lorry at 40-50mph is always going to result in a death, likewise driving straight into the side of it will result in the same. This accident, had it actually happened, wouldn't have been either of those things.
A glancing blow is one whereby there is a shallow angle of impact and rather than a sudden acceleration/deceleration, the car would bounce off in a different direction (in this case, towards the verge) their deceleration would therefore be much more gentle.
Hit head on by a lorry at 40-50mph is always going to result in a death, likewise driving straight into the side of it will result in the same. This accident, had it actually happened, wouldn't have been either of those things.
It was a slow speed, minimal damage, not head on crash. He collected the car at an angle, "almost square on" as in not full sideways and not frontal. I got in through the rear passenger door as it could still open, his door couldn't. My point was you should never underestimate the force of an impact from a truck based on what you think might happen ina perfect world to your car.
I never mentioned 40 to 50 mph, the driver, as proved at inquest had slowed from a lower speed.
Standard PH stuff I guess...........type before reading, type before thinking and always make sure you try not to understand a different view, after all the Internet is always wrong........
Blue Oval84 said:
I think I get what Antracer is trying to say, at the point that the collision would have occurred (say about 32-33 seconds), if the car had hit the lorry, it would have been a glancing blow and wouldn't have entailed 50-0mph quickly.
It would have deflected the car and bounced it onto the grass verge, which in all honesty is unlikely to be fatal (serious pre-existing medical ailments not withstanding). The driver appears to have full braking in effect from about 31-32 seconds as well so had already scrubbed off a chunk of speed by the time the collision almost happened.
Anyway, this is all fairly besides the point really, fact is the lorry driver was a tt. The car driver was probably "thinking" of reacting from about 30-31 seconds (assuming 1-1.5 seconds reaction time), I don't think I would have been seriously thinking he was going to come out significantly earlier than that. Maybe 29 seconds if I'm being generous with myself.
Good post It would have deflected the car and bounced it onto the grass verge, which in all honesty is unlikely to be fatal (serious pre-existing medical ailments not withstanding). The driver appears to have full braking in effect from about 31-32 seconds as well so had already scrubbed off a chunk of speed by the time the collision almost happened.
Anyway, this is all fairly besides the point really, fact is the lorry driver was a t
t. The car driver was probably "thinking" of reacting from about 30-31 seconds (assuming 1-1.5 seconds reaction time), I don't think I would have been seriously thinking he was going to come out significantly earlier than that. Maybe 29 seconds if I'm being generous with myself.
Still doesn't excuse Antracer tho, he's being a cretin.
BugLebowski said:
You are being called a troll because it is quite painfully obvious how a collision between a fast moving car and a practically stationary HGV could have been fatal. So you are either trolling or have the mental capability of a toddler.
If it's the latter then let me explain it in terms you'll understand:
Small car, go fast, hit big lorry. Big boom. Car driver go bye bye.
Hope that helps!
If it's the latter then let me explain it in terms you'll understand:
Small car, go fast, hit big lorry. Big boom. Car driver go bye bye.
Hope that helps!
Very good!
NorfolkInClue1 said:
It was a slow speed, minimal damage, not head on crash. He collected the car at an angle, "almost square on" as in not full sideways and not frontal. I got in through the rear passenger door as it could still open, his door couldn't. My point was you should never underestimate the force of an impact from a truck based on what you think might happen ina perfect world to your car.
I never mentioned 40 to 50 mph, the driver, as proved at inquest had slowed from a lower speed.
Standard PH stuff I guess...........type before reading, type before thinking and always make sure you try not to understand a different view, after all the Internet is always wrong........
And what you're describing is still not even remotely the definition of a glancing blow, certainly not if the lorry "collected" the car, it was quite the opposite, and no surprise it was a fatal.
I agree that the energy in a crash has to go somewhere, but if the angle of impact is so shallow that the car simply changes direction, rather than stopping dead, then the energy is dissipated very much more gently. Basic physics really.
The best way I can try to illustrate the point I'm making is that a car hitting a wall head on at 100mph is going to be flattened (see the 5th Gear test), whilst the same car, hitting the same wall at a shallow angle, will bounce off with greatly reduced damage.
I did read your post, and did think before I responded (evidently I didn't type my reply clearly enough for you), I do understand the point you're trying to make, and I'm simply saying that I don't think the situations are the same.
It's rare that you see a youtube car cam clip where the fault lies entirely with one party but this seems to be it.
The camera car driver was very lucky there was an escape route available and should be commended for quick reactions.
Would this merit a dangerous driving or careless driving charge? For me, it's a clearly dangerous because the truck driver made no attempt to stop at the give way and so gave himself no time to check the traffic on what seems to be a fast road.
The camera car driver was very lucky there was an escape route available and should be commended for quick reactions.
Would this merit a dangerous driving or careless driving charge? For me, it's a clearly dangerous because the truck driver made no attempt to stop at the give way and so gave himself no time to check the traffic on what seems to be a fast road.
Right lads ,stop the pissing about and getting distracted, lets try to ID this cockroach.The PH massive can do most things. Name and shame. This type of st is only too common from these vermin. Track him down and fk up his life NOW. This cowboy outfit must condone this type of driving otherwise their tosspots would not risk their jobs. Anyone else reckon he was watching porn on his lappy,possibly pissed as well? I wonder if his phone records might be worth a look. Note how the following lorry just shot on by despite witnessing this. It's time we had a place devoted to videos of this type of all to common behaviour.
This video has spurred me on to fit a dashcam ASAP.
t is only too common from these vermin. Track him down and fk up his life NOW. This cowboy outfit must condone this type of driving otherwise their tosspots would not risk their jobs. Anyone else reckon he was watching porn on his lappy,possibly pissed as well? I wonder if his phone records might be worth a look. Note how the following lorry just shot on by despite witnessing this. It's time we had a place devoted to videos of this type of all to common behaviour.This video has spurred me on to fit a dashcam ASAP.
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