RE: BMW M235i Cabriolet: Driven

RE: BMW M235i Cabriolet: Driven

Author
Discussion

E65Ross

35,100 posts

213 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
quotequote all
TurboHatchback said:
v10yep said:
1,695kg.... Good lord
Indeed, that's damn near as heavy as my enormous AWD V8 luxobarge! Have they just machined it out of a giant billet of cast iron?
You mean luxobarge without a folding metal roof and accompanying strengthing beams and mechanisms for the rood?

moffat

1,020 posts

226 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
quotequote all
£37,710 for the manual M235i Convertible so not £40k is it... The sport auto version does get closer though, bit surprised both Sat Nav and Xenon's are an option though!

It's also £3k more than the Coupe which is about right and £9k cheaper than the less powerful 435i Convertible.

SFO

5,169 posts

184 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
quotequote all
moffat said:
£37,710 for the manual M235i Convertible so not £40k is it... The sport auto version does get closer though, bit surprised both Sat Nav and Xenon's are an option though!

It's also £3k more than the Coupe which is about right and £9k cheaper than the less powerful 435i Convertible.
Xenons are standard, as is leather

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
quotequote all
No thanks!

BugLebowski

1,033 posts

117 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
quotequote all
A few years ago when I was looking at e46 M3s, I was amazed that there were so many convertibles available. Yet I rarely see them on the road (probably because I'm not in the sunny south!) and I've never known someone who has owned one. It begs the question, who buys them in the first place?

nickfrog

21,194 posts

218 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
quotequote all
SFO said:
moffat said:
£37,710 for the manual M235i Convertible so not £40k is it... The sport auto version does get closer though, bit surprised both Sat Nav and Xenon's are an option though!

It's also £3k more than the Coupe which is about right and £9k cheaper than the less powerful 435i Convertible.
Xenons are standard, as is leather
Precisely. I don't know why people go on about £40k or £50k and then start comparing to vastly different cars for way more money, maybe they're not very good with numbers ;-). They are £33k after the initial 12% discount available at your (carefully selected) BMW dealer, probably more discount in winter. And the base spec is superb, absolutely no obligation to add fast depreciating extras.

JJ55

653 posts

116 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
Nice looking car & pretty good value for 40k

neil1jnr

1,462 posts

156 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
Awful looking car, not a fan of the 2 series range at all, give me the facelift M135i instead please.

bennyboysvuk

3,491 posts

249 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
This car isn't designed as an out and out performance car. Think of it as a GT that drives nicely around Monaco and can get you there swiftly whilst making an ok noise and returning reasonable MPG and it hits the nail on the head. It drives smoothly and very briskly, but isn't a rip-snorting drive, IMHO.

Head into the hills and ask it to provide some serious fun and the inside wheel will spin up unless you tick the optional LSD box (to be fair, what serious driver wouldn't), the hazard warning lights will switch on when you brake hard, the car will understeer on lower speed corners and if really pushing hard the fronts will lock way, way ahead of the rears (maybe that's just my feel of the thing).

LotusEspritTurbo

757 posts

256 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
Strange something so small can be so heavy. My old 1972 V8 Mustang is twice the size of this and weighs the same.

GT119

6,672 posts

173 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
That's right, BMW intentionally made the car heavier than it needs to be just to wind up those who drive powerful saloons/coupes. Cabriolets are heavier than the car they are based on! In other news, water is wet...I get that there will always be people who dislike convertibles. I used to be one of them when I was younger, when all I cared about was performance and handling (and to some extent worried about what others might think). However, for those with families and wanting a 4-seater car that covers all the bases for year-round long-term hassle-free ownership, BMW convertibles are a pretty good bet. I won't be buying this one though, I will stick with the V8 M3 convertible for now.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

135 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
danp said:
What's the 3er then?
Also falls under Mittelklasse. Technically, a 5er would be Obere Mittelklasse.

moffat

1,020 posts

226 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
SFO said:
Xenons are standard, as is leather
I know leather is but on the configurator there's an option for Xenons which I thought was weird - under Packages for £590 (lights plus washers).

The M235i Convertible is also the same price as the S3 Convertible so I think the price is pretty much spot on.


chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
LotusEspritTurbo said:
Strange something so small can be so heavy. My old 1972 V8 Mustang is twice the size of this and weighs the same.
Great comparison :-) I mean its not like your mustang was 43 years old with 43 year old technology and safety features is it!

ds666

2,641 posts

180 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
[quote=nickfrog]

They are £33k after the initial 12% discount available at your (carefully selected) BMW dealer, probably more discount in winter.




Is that discount fact based on actual quotes for a 235 convertible ? Wife needs to replace her 135 convertible and fancies one of these

Claudia Skies

1,098 posts

117 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
The next in a long line of absolutely brilliant, small BMW 4-seat cabrios which runs back more than 20 years. E36 - E46 - M235i.


These cars may not be the cheapest but IMO there's been nothing to touch them for all-round quality and enjoyment.

SFO

5,169 posts

184 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
moffat said:
I know leather is but on the configurator there's an option for Xenons which I thought was weird - under Packages for £590 (lights plus washers).

The M235i Convertible is also the same price as the S3 Convertible so I think the price is pretty much spot on.
That the Visibility Pack which add adaptive lights and high beam assist.

S3 is 4 cylinder, so 6 cyclinder 235i wins hands down smile

nickfrog

21,194 posts

218 months

Thursday 26th February 2015
quotequote all
Yes but the S3 is 4wd which is bound to be twice as good as 2wd, surely.

aeropilot

34,671 posts

228 months

Friday 27th February 2015
quotequote all
bennyboysvuk said:
Head into the hills and ask it to provide some serious fun and the inside wheel will spin up unless you tick the optional LSD box (to be fair, what serious driver wouldn't)
LSD isn't a factory tick box option on these.

The LSD is a post-build dealer fit accessory.

MonteV

363 posts

261 months

Sunday 1st March 2015
quotequote all
Please PistonHeads, comparing a convertible/cabriolets to coupes is probably the most predictable, boring reading there is.

Surprise reading #1: Cabriolets always struggle to be taken seriously as performance cars, even if they're based on something really good.

Surprise reading #2: There's no arguing that the extra mass has a noticeable effect on the Cabriolet's willingness to change direction.

Surprise reading #3: It's definitely not as agile as the fleet-footed Coupe...

Compare open tops to open tops, or if you have to compare cabriolets to coupes, do a comparison showing which companies did the best job in transforming their coupes to convertibles, i e the least loss of driving pleasure, in pure performance terms.