Do you 'engage' with cyclists?
Discussion
Motorrad said:
I think the standard is particularly low in the UK. Its as if lighting and observance of traffic law is optional.
It depends where you go.You are isolated from traffic in Holland so it is not the same at all, I enjoyed riding out there and it was easier, but it would be as you don't have to have eyes in the back of your head (not so much anyway). Personally having ridden in a few places I haven't seen the poor standards in cyclists as a general rule that you are reporting. What is absolutely obvious is that there are far too many drivers in too much of a rush and have zero patience or consideration. In Tenerife if someone is wobbling down the road they would be given a wide berth and a bit of respect. In the UK more than likely the same scenario would see lots of shouting and a car cutting too close to the rider then making a post on PH having a little cry about how all cyclists are dangerous. Every time there is a thread about cycling the same boring nonsense is trotted out. I don't see or get into half the conflict but I ignore the things I have described and avoid getting anywhere near cars as much as possible, one mistake I'll be the one hurt, righteous is not invincible. Last year I covered about 11000km on the bike, probably 9K of that in the UK/IRL, as a general rule drivers in the UK are less tolerant, until they are forced to be responsible, and nobody wants more fecking regulation this war will continue unfortunately.
Devil2575 said:
CarAbuser said:
WinstonWolf said:
I cycle, I'm also fortunate that I don't drive a big girls car...
Devil2575 said:
Now what we have here is a perfect example of an imbecile... 
Can always reply on the easily offended for amusement 
v12Legs said:
No, you overtook and brake-tested him, causing him to fall off his bike.
You deliberately endangered his life to make some kind of point. Psychotic behaviour.
At 5mph I don't feel his life was endangered, just his pride. However becoming a temporary speed bump at 20mph might have been a little different for him. You deliberately endangered his life to make some kind of point. Psychotic behaviour.
I'll agree it was a silly move on my part and I'm fully aware I shouldn't have risen.
At the end of the day, he endangered his own life; firstly by moving out into the road without looking and secondly by purposefully aggravating someone after nothing but a friendly warning for his (imo, inexcusable) mistake.
I think this highlights an important attitude issue some cyclists have: Self-righteousness > Self-preservation. Cyclists are the most vulnerable on the road and as a driver I recognise that and try to go out of my way to give them priority. But it seems that some cyclists don't recognise they are vulnerable where they prioritise their self-righteousness and go out of their way to piss motorists off, because 'they are in the right'. An argument between a cyclist and a car is only going to go one way, if he didn't care less about his own personal safety; why should I?
Edited by EnthusiastOwned on Thursday 26th February 16:44
EnthusiastOwned said:
v12Legs said:
No, you overtook and brake-tested him, causing him to fall off his bike.
You deliberately endangered his life to make some kind of point. Psychotic behaviour.
At 5mph I don't feel his life was endangered, just his pride. However becoming a temporary speed bump at 20mph might have been a little different for him. You deliberately endangered his life to make some kind of point. Psychotic behaviour.
I'll agree it was a silly move on my part and I'm fully aware I shouldn't have risen.
At the end of the day, he endangered his own life; firstly by moving out into the road without looking and secondly by purposefully aggravating someone after nothing but a friendly warning for his (imo, inexcusable) mistake.
I think this highlights an important attitude issue some cyclists have: Self-righteousness > Self-preservation. Cyclists are the most vulnerable on the road and as a driver I recognise that and try to go out of my way to give them priority. But it seems that some cyclists don't recognise they are vulnerable where they prioritise their self-righteousness and go out of their way to piss motorists off, because 'they are in the right'. An argument between a cyclist and a car is only going to go one way, if he didn't care less about his own personal safety; why should I?
Edited by EnthusiastOwned on Thursday 26th February 16:44
WinstonWolf said:
Devil2575 said:
CarAbuser said:
WinstonWolf said:
I cycle, I'm also fortunate that I don't drive a big girls car...
Devil2575 said:
Now what we have here is a perfect example of an imbecile...
Can always reply on the easily offended for amusement Pretty delicate topic this cycling
We need a topic about winter tyres on bicycles.
CarAbuser said:
WinstonWolf said:
Devil2575 said:
CarAbuser said:
WinstonWolf said:
I cycle, I'm also fortunate that I don't drive a big girls car...
Devil2575 said:
Now what we have here is a perfect example of an imbecile...
Can always reply on the easily offended for amusement Pretty delicate topic this cycling
We need a topic about winter tyres on bicycles.
yonex said:
It depends where you go.You are isolated from traffic in Holland so it is not the same at all
I'm bemoaning the standard of other bike riders not other road traffic. I honestly think the place to start is the assholes who ride bikes not the utter turds using other modes of transport. I also believe bike riders are in denial that they have any culpability at all. I have perused a few of these headcam videos, one thing that I have noticed is that quite a few of them involve a close pass, lots of gesticulating, then the vehicle speeding off into the distance, yet when the cyclist shouts or gesticulates back the driver is no longer in such a big hurry and has the time to come to a halt and 'engage' with the cyclist on a personal level. If the driver has the time to stop and argue, why can they not spend that time waiting for a safe place to overtake? Lower blood pressure all round.
spaximus said:
To my mind it should be the law if there is a cycle path it must be used.
Because it works so well in NYC? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ we have the same problem in the UK, they are constantly being blocked, have dangerous obstacles in them and are not cleaned resulting in punctures. On top of this I find pedestrians often step out in them which is highly dangerous especially on a road bike. Mave said:
Johnnytheboy said:
But every PH cycling thread ends up making me think there is a loud minority of mental cyclists who hate other road users.
These aren't PH cycling threads though are they? They are typically PH anti-cycling threads. Look at the OP...But don't let that worry you...
Edit: this one:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by Johnnytheboy on Thursday 26th February 20:40
Johnnytheboy said:
I'm sure you're aware that this thread is in reaction to another one from the opposite perspective.
But don't let that worry you...
It's a thread in the cycling forum though isn't it. There's a difference between a discussion in the cycling section amongst like minded individual's and a post designed to cause an argument in General Gassing.But don't let that worry you...
king hairdressers Johnnytheboy said:
Mave said:
Johnnytheboy said:
But every PH cycling thread ends up making me think there is a loud minority of mental cyclists who hate other road users.
These aren't PH cycling threads though are they? They are typically PH anti-cycling threads. Look at the OP...But don't let that worry you...
Edit: this one:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by Johnnytheboy on Thursday 26th February 20:40
But you said "every PH cycling thread", not "this cycling thread"; and the vast majority of threads in general gassing involving cyclists are either started to whinge about cyclists, or start neutral and then quickly descend into whinging about / blaming cyclists.
Then when the cyclists dare put forward a different point of view they are "militant"
HTH
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