Do you 'engage' with cyclists?
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Finlandia said:
Try overtaking that formation in a HGV, then come back and tell us how easy it is to deal with.
If you are in an HGV I imagine you are quite familiar with the concept of a slow moving vehicle, going far slower than most would like, that requires some effort to overtake. 
Hol said:
BTW. I have never had a cyclist raise their hand at me in anger, when I have been driving past them, nor given one cause to.
Apart from the non-give-wayer on page 1, I can't think I ever have. But all you have to do is post on a thread like this from a driver's POV to be labelled a 'bad driver'.Hol said:
I will add that I never realised that some militant cyclysts WERE so biggoted and selfish until I started reading some of the threads on Pistonheads.
It's quite an eye-opener isn't it? 
Finlandia said:
Try overtaking that formation in a HGV, then come back and tell us how easy it is to deal with.
How would a tractor towing a trailer be different, it's just because it's cyclists and drivers have a personal issue with them for whatever reason. Perhaps there is a market for inflatable tractor costumes to cover the group?Johnnytheboy said:
Hol said:
BTW. I have never had a cyclist raise their hand at me in anger, when I have been driving past them, nor given one cause to.
Apart from the non-give-wayer on page 1, I can't think I ever have. But all you have to do is post on a thread like this from a driver's POV to be labelled a 'bad driver'.Hol said:
I will add that I never realised that some militant cyclysts WERE so biggoted and selfish until I started reading some of the threads on Pistonheads.
It's quite an eye-opener isn't it? Hol said:
If you have some real questions about my road manners - feel free to ask.
If you want to continue throwing mud and lies - f
k off.
Yes, all these mild mannered motorists......If you want to continue throwing mud and lies - f
k off. walm said:
Finlandia said:
Try overtaking that formation in a HGV, then come back and tell us how easy it is to deal with.
If you are in an HGV I imagine you are quite familiar with the concept of a slow moving vehicle, going far slower than most would like, that requires some effort to overtake. yonex said:
Finlandia said:
Try overtaking that formation in a HGV, then come back and tell us how easy it is to deal with.
How would a tractor towing a trailer be different, it's just because it's cyclists and drivers have a personal issue with them for whatever reason. Perhaps there is a market for inflatable tractor costumes to cover the group?Hol said:
Actually,
If you care/bother to notice I have not defended running at all in any thread.
I once had some cyclists on PH try to insult me and bait me into an argument with them, when I suggested running was good for you.
That conversation then went on to insult anyone who goes to the gym, or indeed any other exercise, that was NOT cycling. But I digress.
Its you that is constantly defending a biased view with impunity and ALSO attempting to subvert view from that clearly obvious fact by claiming that I do the same for runners.
BTW. I have never had a cyclist raise their hand at me in anger, when I have been driving past them, nor given one cause to. As a pedestrian, I see lots of numpties on bikes.
I will add that I never realised that some militant cyclysts WERE so biggoted and selfish until I started reading some of the threads on Pistonheads.
To my own shame, I have sometimes responded in kind.
If you have some real questions about my road manners - feel free to ask.
If you want to continue throwing mud and lies - fk off.
Oh do calm down dear, save it for the commute to work.....It is nice to see you totally unraveling though, balanced and reasonable aren't you, until challenged then the reality of your personality comes out. 'fIf you care/bother to notice I have not defended running at all in any thread.
I once had some cyclists on PH try to insult me and bait me into an argument with them, when I suggested running was good for you.
That conversation then went on to insult anyone who goes to the gym, or indeed any other exercise, that was NOT cycling. But I digress.
Its you that is constantly defending a biased view with impunity and ALSO attempting to subvert view from that clearly obvious fact by claiming that I do the same for runners.
BTW. I have never had a cyclist raise their hand at me in anger, when I have been driving past them, nor given one cause to. As a pedestrian, I see lots of numpties on bikes.
I will add that I never realised that some militant cyclysts WERE so biggoted and selfish until I started reading some of the threads on Pistonheads.
To my own shame, I have sometimes responded in kind.
If you have some real questions about my road manners - feel free to ask.
If you want to continue throwing mud and lies - f
k off. Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th February 11:59
k off', lol really you must try harder on the language.Just in case you have had a senior moment and forgotten what you posted;
Hol said:
We were trying to think of another walk of life where a minority group of people insists that everybody everybody revolve around their needs, so that they can behave like spoilt children and insult everyone.
We couldn't come up with anything else in this century.
I have, running. But now you're all grumpy as I am criticizing the sport YOU chose to involve yourself with. This is the problem, now I am criticizing something which I actively encourage to make a point to some random nobody on the internet who really should (and probably does) know better. As a bit of a newsflash there are poor drivers in every form of transportation, nowhere has that not been freely admitted by everyone, what is massively irritating, and complete BS is that you, and others choose to point out all the flaws that cycling have whilst not taking a moment to think if you (or other drivers) might be part of the issue. We couldn't come up with anything else in this century.
So. Jump up and down as much as you wish, it's irrelevant. Hopefully you don't find the majority of cyclists to be difficult to navigate and you pretty much have said as much. If so, why the anger towards cyclists, why the pointy insults against a group engaged in their chosen sport/mode of transport?
Live and let live, FFS life is too short.
Finlandia said:
A tractor usually follows the above posted, keeping out of the way and even stopping regularly to allow overtaking, besides tractors are generally driven very short distances on roads.
Most rides will wave cars through and it is not un-common at all for me to pull into a layby etc to let people through if they are stuck behind me on a single track road. The last thing most cyclists want is the sound of a car behind them. Living a rural area I have followed tractors for longer periods of time than a group of cyclists. One is not more of a hold up than the other, if anything the bias is towards the tractor as it can be moving that much quicker.Johnnytheboy said:
Hol said:
I will add that I never realised that some militant cyclysts WERE so biggoted and selfish until I started reading some of the threads on Pistonheads.
It's quite an eye-opener isn't it? But I do read your comments elsewhere and you both sound like perfectly reasonable fellas there.
IRL I would hope we would get on fine!!
But on PH, cyclists are going to be in the minority. It is sometimes hard to have your voice heard, so I am certainly more militant than say on the topic of "share tips", for example.
And with great regularity ANY cyclist thread will have genuine morons complaining about the usual non-issues such as road tax or not using cycle lanes - this adds to the invective.
And lastly, if you cycle in any built up area you will no doubt have a near miss - where serious physical harm was narrowly avoided.
So when a poster complains in general about some totally minor issue such as being held up for a minute because a cyclist chose to use the road rather than a cycle lane is seems so utterly trivial compared to the fact that selfish driving causes injury to cyclists all the time.
In other words, the situation is very asymmetrical so as a result I certainly shout louder and argue more forcefully to try to redress the balance.
I think there are genuine misunderstandings between what cyclists are doing to stay safe and what drivers see as selfish.
I think hearing what the "other side" think is always good in building some sort of empathy, which can only be good.
I try not to be bigoted and to have an open mind - and I hope that you guys do too!
yonex said:
quoted me
I think any reasonable person realises there's a world of difference to generalising about groups of people and personally insulting someone- say calling them a prat based on a complete misapprehension of what they were saying. The key word here is 'reasonable' and clearly some people are unable to act that way. walm said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Hol said:
I will add that I never realised that some militant cyclysts WERE so biggoted and selfish until I started reading some of the threads on Pistonheads.
It's quite an eye-opener isn't it? But I do read your comments elsewhere and you both sound like perfectly reasonable fellas there.
IRL I would hope we would get on fine!!
But on PH, cyclists are going to be in the minority. It is sometimes hard to have your voice heard, so I am certainly more militant than say on the topic of "share tips", for example.
And with great regularity ANY cyclist thread will have genuine morons complaining about the usual non-issues such as road tax or not using cycle lanes - this adds to the invective.
And lastly, if you cycle in any built up area you will no doubt have a near miss - where serious physical harm was narrowly avoided.
So when a poster complains in general about some totally minor issue such as being held up for a minute because a cyclist chose to use the road rather than a cycle lane is seems so utterly trivial compared to the fact that selfish driving causes injury to cyclists all the time.
In other words, the situation is very asymmetrical so as a result I certainly shout louder and argue more forcefully to try to redress the balance.
I think there are genuine misunderstandings between what cyclists are doing to stay safe and what drivers see as selfish.
I think hearing what the "other side" think is always good in building some sort of empathy, which can only be good.
I try not to be bigoted and to have an open mind - and I hope that you guys do too!
I've always tried to make it clear that I am not anti-all-cyclists, hell I do ride a bike myself (in London someone once drove over my foot, and someone else stepped out of a taxi into my path as I rode between it and the kerb, causing me to cycle into a lamppost...). If I'm anti-anything, and what draws me to these threads is the manner of argument as much as the content, and as I said to someone else above, I'm fanatically anti-anything-anti-car.
yonex said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Blimey, we agree on something!
Joking!!!!!!!!!!!
yonex said:
Finlandia said:
A tractor usually follows the above posted, keeping out of the way and even stopping regularly to allow overtaking, besides tractors are generally driven very short distances on roads.
Most rides will wave cars through and it is not un-common at all for me to pull into a layby etc to let people through if they are stuck behind me on a single track road. The last thing most cyclists want is the sound of a car behind them. Living a rural area I have followed tractors for longer periods of time than a group of cyclists. One is not more of a hold up than the other, if anything the bias is towards the tractor as it can be moving that much quicker.Mave said:
Hol said:
Actually,
If you care/bother to notice I have not defended running at all in any thread.
I once had some cyclists on PH try to insult me and bait me into an argument with them, when I suggested running was good for you.
That conversation then went on to insult anyone who goes to the gym, or indeed any other exercise, that was NOT cycling. But I digress.
Was that the Boardman thread? Where you referred to my opinion as "wIf you care/bother to notice I have not defended running at all in any thread.
I once had some cyclists on PH try to insult me and bait me into an argument with them, when I suggested running was good for you.
That conversation then went on to insult anyone who goes to the gym, or indeed any other exercise, that was NOT cycling. But I digress.
kerish in the extreme" because I implied some people may not have enough self motivation to regularly run or go to the gym? And later said "the only people throwing insults around on this thread are the cyclists"? :-) But as highlighted in the post above, it will only serve perpetuate the merry-go-round of comments and sideline arguments.
Hol ealier in the thread said:
Other stuff:
To my own shame, I have sometimes responded in kind.
To my own shame, I have sometimes responded in kind.
Edited by Hol on Friday 27th February 13:37
Finlandia said:
That is good to see, if only most cyclist were like you.
Yes, well let's not get carried away with that one In the main despite the internet providing a backdrop for monumental arguements few, if any of the actions spoken about will actually happen. Doesn't stop the venting sometimes.
yonex said:
Finlandia said:
That is good to see, if only most cyclist were like you.
Yes, well let's not get carried away with that one In the main despite the internet providing a backdrop for monumental arguements few, if any of the actions spoken about will actually happen. Doesn't stop the venting sometimes.
There are good cyclists too, plenty of them, it's just the bad ones tend to be the ones one remembers.
otolith said:
yonex said:
This sort of clip makes me laugh.
He couldn't drive a greasy stick up a dog's arse.OK, those cyclists slowed him down by a minute or so in that clip. So what? I bet when he did overtake he very quickly caught up to where he would have been anyway.
I've been driving behind cyclists dozens if not hundreds of times, and I don't think I have ever been delayed for more that a minute or so at that particular place, and probably not at all in the context of my whole journey.
Drivers on the other hand have delayed me by many many hours over my life. Probably weeks.
ETA: Why did he try and overtake approaching a roundabout, the dangerous a
hole!Finlandia said:
GC8 said:
Finlandia said:
GC8 said:
I've always taken it to be that their real gripe was that they couldn't pass the cyclist as though they weren't even there. Not great.
I have no problems overtaking cyclist safely, but when they are taking up half the road or more in their formation it's another story. 
Maybe some sort of explanation is required still, in a car overtaking is swift and safe, but with a HGV it's a bit different. While a quick stab of the rightmost pedal in a car will quickly see you from 20 and up, and the cyclists are a disappearing dot in your mirrors, try taking a fully laden HGV from 20 and past a formation.
Hang back and wait for an opportunity, but then the schedule is out the window and the cars stuck behind the HGV are starting to make silly things.
Oh yeah I forgot it's OK because you are entitled to be there, just like any other road user...
v12Legs said:
ETA: Why did he try and overtake approaching a roundabout, the dangerous ahole!
Agreed. If anyone wants to know the reason why club rides are two a breast and the formation is held like this it is to prevent cars from getting in the middle of the group. This is really bad news when it happens and can lead to chaos. It is easier to overtake if you hang back and get it done. You have to experience some of the overtakes to appreciate how indecisive some are, yet they'll make a move in daft places, like this chap, right before a mini roundabout which leaves him in the middle of the road. To then post it up on YT and declare that it's the 'same every Sunday' well, what can you say!hole!He must have been very late for church
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