Do you 'engage' with cyclists?
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JagXJR said:
This is absolute claptrap!
All the cyclists I know drive cars too. So not done out of poverty.
I have never heard of cyclist been called "rodents" and the only negative terms I have heard them being called stem only from their attitude, not social and economic background.
This article if at all true is seriously out of date.
All it needs is for a bit of respect being shown towards motorists to improve opinions of them.
No doubt the same can be said about some motorists too, I have seen some motorist drive so close to cyclists that the displaced air made them wobble. That is also unacceptable!
I've always viewed it as a class thing as cycling, certainly in the SE is a very white, middle class persuit. All the cyclists I know drive cars too. So not done out of poverty.
I have never heard of cyclist been called "rodents" and the only negative terms I have heard them being called stem only from their attitude, not social and economic background.
This article if at all true is seriously out of date.
All it needs is for a bit of respect being shown towards motorists to improve opinions of them.
No doubt the same can be said about some motorists too, I have seen some motorist drive so close to cyclists that the displaced air made them wobble. That is also unacceptable!
Johnnytheboy said:
heebeegeetee said:
Johnnytheboy said:
There's an asymmetry to dash cams/helmet cams though.
You can film all the cyclists doing silly things you like but you can't identify them (this applies to whoever is doing the filming), whereas you can always get the reg of a car that has wronged you.
Big deal. It makes just about absolutely no difference, and whereas the cyclists being silly is unlikely to lead to anyone other than the cyclist being harmed, that is emphatically not the case with silly drivers of motorised vehicles.You can film all the cyclists doing silly things you like but you can't identify them (this applies to whoever is doing the filming), whereas you can always get the reg of a car that has wronged you.
You should have worked that one out ages ago.
If a cyclist makes a mistake and is not hurt as a consequence = the cyclists fault.
If a cyclist makes a mistake and IS hurt as a consequence = the motorist fault
Everything/anything else bucket = Motorist fault.
Sadly,
Its the above mentality that drives a wedge between both groups of raod users.
heebeegeetee said:
Of course. I mean, there's no chance of us purchasers of Jag XJRs or Boxsters ever breaking the law, is there. Drive at twice the speed limit? Me? Never! 
The article is spot on and you are very much part of the mindset of the masses described therein imo.
If we do and we get caught, well we know the risk. Whether you agree with the law or not, it is the law. Nobody forced us to break it.The article is spot on and you are very much part of the mindset of the masses described therein imo.
The article is outdated at best and your clever little dig is not just an opinion if you are honest.
My mindset is shaped by experience. Change the experience and you will change the mindset.
DonkeyApple said:
I've always viewed it as a class thing as cycling, certainly in the SE is a very white, middle class persuit.
Indeed. You only have to go into a cycling shop and look at the typical cost of bicycles and equipment to see that it clearly an activity that people with money take part in. heebeegeetee said:
JagXJR said:
Fully agree! About time cyclists were made to realise they are not above the law.
Of course. I mean, there's no chance of us purchasers of Jag XJRs or Boxsters ever breaking the law, is there. Drive at twice the speed limit? Me? Never! The article is spot on and you are very much part of the mindset of the masses described therein imo.
Devil2575 said:
Indeed. You only have to go into a cycling shop and look at the typical cost of bicycles and equipment to see that it clearly an activity that people with money take part in.
As well as the rather expensive cars they use to transport their bikes to their cycling area of choice with.walm said:
JagXJR said:
All it needs is for a bit of respect being shown towards motorists to improve opinions of them.
How exactly should they be showing their respect?Stopping when they come to parked cars to let Jaguars complete their ill-thought-out overtake?
If you set out with the expectation that you should not be inconvenienced by other road users then you are heading for conflict.
JagXJR said:
This is absolute claptrap!
All the cyclists I know drive cars too. So not done out of poverty.
I have never heard of cyclist been called "rodents" and the only negative terms I have heard them being called stem only from their attitude, not social and economic background.
This article if at all true is seriously out of date.
All it needs is for a bit of respect being shown towards motorists to improve opinions of them.
No doubt the same can be said about some motorists too, I have seen some motorist drive so close to cyclists that the displaced air made them wobble. That is also unacceptable!
Do you recognize that your statement above portrays precisely the mindset described in the 'outdated' article?All the cyclists I know drive cars too. So not done out of poverty.
I have never heard of cyclist been called "rodents" and the only negative terms I have heard them being called stem only from their attitude, not social and economic background.
This article if at all true is seriously out of date.
All it needs is for a bit of respect being shown towards motorists to improve opinions of them.
No doubt the same can be said about some motorists too, I have seen some motorist drive so close to cyclists that the displaced air made them wobble. That is also unacceptable!
Will it ever dawn on you that the vast, vast majority of 'cyclists' are just 'motorists' on a different day and not some inferior subspecies?
Heaven help you and your blood pressure if the roads you want to use are ever closed for a cycle event...
walm said:
How exactly should they be showing their respect?
Stopping when they come to parked cars to let Jaguars complete their ill-thought-out overtake?
There was no "ill-thought-out overtake" As posted many times already.Stopping when they come to parked cars to let Jaguars complete their ill-thought-out overtake?
By not swearing for no reason.
Since I was there and the driving Gods of PistonHeads were not I think I will believe what I saw rather than something that was made up, thanks!
Getting bored of this now!
I'm a car enthusiast, one time motorcyclist and, in a previous incarnation, a bus driver! I also ride a bike, though up here in NE Scotland the roads are pretty quiet. I tend to give cyclists plenty of space. However in Aberdeen, around 40 miles away, I am constantly bewildered by the idiot cyclists in dark clothing without any lights and no apparent attempt to look out for traffic. Natural selection must play a part, either that or I will when the next Smart Alec rides his blasted bike on the pavement in front of me to bypass lights. Every road user should try to be polite and aware of other people, perhaps also adopt the rule of thumb that everyone else is a homicidal retard and prepare to avoid!
Perseverant said:
I'm a car enthusiast, one time motorcyclist and, in a previous incarnation, a bus driver! I also ride a bike, though up here in NE Scotland the roads are pretty quiet. I tend to give cyclists plenty of space. However in Aberdeen, around 40 miles away, I am constantly bewildered by the idiot cyclists in dark clothing without any lights and no apparent attempt to look out for traffic. Natural selection must play a part, either that or I will when the next Smart Alec rides his blasted bike on the pavement in front of me to bypass lights. Every road user should try to be polite and aware of other people, perhaps also adopt the rule of thumb that everyone else is a homicidal retard and prepare to avoid!
I never see anyone cycling without appropriate clothing and lighting here in Somerset. I submit that our differing experience says more abut the people of Aberdeen and Somerset than it does about cycling as an activity.IroningMan said:
JagXJR said:
This is absolute claptrap!
All the cyclists I know drive cars too. So not done out of poverty.
I have never heard of cyclist been called "rodents" and the only negative terms I have heard them being called stem only from their attitude, not social and economic background.
This article if at all true is seriously out of date.
All it needs is for a bit of respect being shown towards motorists to improve opinions of them.
No doubt the same can be said about some motorists too, I have seen some motorist drive so close to cyclists that the displaced air made them wobble. That is also unacceptable!
Do you recognize that your statement above portrays precisely the mindset described in the 'outdated' article?All the cyclists I know drive cars too. So not done out of poverty.
I have never heard of cyclist been called "rodents" and the only negative terms I have heard them being called stem only from their attitude, not social and economic background.
This article if at all true is seriously out of date.
All it needs is for a bit of respect being shown towards motorists to improve opinions of them.
No doubt the same can be said about some motorists too, I have seen some motorist drive so close to cyclists that the displaced air made them wobble. That is also unacceptable!
Will it ever dawn on you that the vast, vast majority of 'cyclists' are just 'motorists' on a different day and not some inferior subspecies?
Heaven help you and your blood pressure if the roads you want to use are ever closed for a cycle event...
"vast majority of 'cyclists' are just 'motorists' on a different day" I believe I said that, perhaps you need to re-read the posts before you wade in with inaccurate statements!
They were, for the Tour de Yorkshire. Just watched it on TV instead.
Thanks for the concern about my blood pressure but it is fine thank you. Probably the only thing about me that ever is actually
JagXJR said:
There was no "ill-thought-out overtake" As posted many times already.
By not swearing for no reason.
Since I was there and the driving Gods of PistonHeads were not I think I will believe what I saw rather than something that was made up, thanks!
Getting bored of this now!
When you beeped your horn at them, (before you got sworn at), do you think that would have been interpreted as "showing some respect"?By not swearing for no reason.
Since I was there and the driving Gods of PistonHeads were not I think I will believe what I saw rather than something that was made up, thanks!
Getting bored of this now!
IroningMan said:
I never see anyone cycling without appropriate clothing and lighting here in Somerset. I submit that our differing experience says more abut the people of Aberdeen and Somerset than it does about cycling as an activity.
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