Do you 'engage' with cyclists?
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Mr Will said:
Okay, so which part of this is untrue:
You attempted an overtake of a vehicle which was approaching an obstruction and then were surprised when they moved out to pass the obstruction. You were forced to abort the overtake, hit the horn and had to move back in to a space in the line of traffic.
Go on, tell me; what am I missing?
Just about all of it!You attempted an overtake of a vehicle which was approaching an obstruction and then were surprised when they moved out to pass the obstruction. You were forced to abort the overtake, hit the horn and had to move back in to a space in the line of traffic.
Go on, tell me; what am I missing?
Go read the posts, it's all there!
Just for those that can't read/find my posts ect.
I overtook many vehicles which were approaching an obstruction a quarter of a mile (ish didn't pace it out) away and then wasn't surprised when some of them moved out to pass the obstruction without looking. Had I needed to I would have booted it to get past before the cyclists overtook and made the Mrs uncomfortable but there really was no need. Since I get earache every time I accelerate violently I tend to avoid it.
"You were forced to abort the overtake, hit the horn and had to move back in to a space in the line of traffic." This bit was completely untrue so not sure why you (or someone else) have made this up.
There was still enough room for parked cars and cycles on one side of the road and me on the opposite with some free room for margin of error (but not enough for my liking, I like plenty of space between me and idiots (which is what cyclists are that ignore the rules of the road)), and this had already been assessed by me. Since I have had advanced driving tuition (I could claim to have passed the test but that would be untrue despite getting to the standard required to be able to) I am quite capable of reasoning things out before they surprise me .
Since they didn't look back I wanted to be sure they knew I was there I sounded my horn to make sure. Perfectly legal perfectly safe.
Not sure what some people on here are smoking that distorts the meaning of what I post, but suggest not doing it. It can't be good for you!
ETA oops should have added smiley to show am joking rather than insulting- added
Edited by JagXJR on Monday 2nd March 14:28
Finlandia said:
It's not a non-story when that red light jump causes an accident.
It's extremely rare, in fact I don't know of one right now, perhaps you can provide a few links to accidents caused by rlj cyclists.You and I live in different parts of the world. I live in Birmingham UK, where there are very, very few cyclists on the roads so rlj cyclists really are a non-issue, but i've been seeing on average 10 cars a month jump red lights for the past 30 years. Now that I work in central Brum, I'm now seeing on average about 10 cars a week jump red lights. Easily.
Finlandia said:
Mave said:
Just like motorcycle, mopeds and scooters, bicycles aren't allowed to jump red light. IIRC, when Westminster (or maybe Manchester?) did a study, the percentage of red light jumpers was pretty similar between cars and bicycles.
My experience tells me differently, on my daily commute I see at least 10-20 cyclists going through red lights everyday, and I honestly can't say when I last saw a car going through a red (emergency services uncounted for).It not necessarily the same thing that cyclists generally stand accused of that you're looking for. It's people who go through lights they had time to stop for that account for the majority of car drivers who red light jump.
You'll see it all the time, when you start looking for it. That car that is still crossing the junction when you've got a green light did it.
JagXJR said:
There was still enough room for parked cars and cycles on one side of the road and me on the opposite with some free room for margin of error (but not enough for my liking, I like plenty of space between me and idiots (which is what cyclists are that ignore the rules of the road)), and this had already been assessed by me. Since I have had advanced driving tuition (I could claim to have passed the test but that would be untrue despite getting to the standard required to be able to) I am quite capable of reasoning things out before they surprise me .
Do you think that maybe the guys at risk of injury and even death would like a slightly larger margin for error between them and the two ton vehicle blowing it's horn? If you weren't surprised then why did you force your way through? What did you expect the bikes approaching the parked car to do? Jump? Teleport? Pull over and doff their caps?Sounds like you need a refresher on that training. Who knows, you might even pass this time.
heebeegeetee said:
Finlandia said:
It's not a non-story when that red light jump causes an accident.
It's extremely rare, in fact I don't know of one right now, perhaps you can provide a few links to accidents caused by rlj cyclists.You and I live in different parts of the world. I live in Birmingham UK, where there are very, very few cyclists on the roads so rlj cyclists really are a non-issue, but i've been seeing on average 10 cars a month jump red lights for the past 30 years. Now that I work in central Brum, I'm now seeing on average about 10 cars a week jump red lights. Easily.
Same goes for light controlled crossings and junctions, where pedestrians are forced to jump out of the way for cyclists running the red lights, while filtering between cars stopped at the lights.
And now the politicians, green idiots, are talking about the same full impunity for cyclists on crossings, regardless of lights or not, among other things. That will not end well.
JagXJR said:
Exactly the reason why you are supposed to check behind you before making any maneuver isn't it?
There's a particular location where I cycle past some parked cars each day. It is not really wide enough for me to pass the obstruction (whilst keeping out of door range), and also allow another car to pass me comfortably. I always check behind a couple of times before I reach the point at which I move out, though someone behind might not notice a brief movement of my head to do this. I may also be aware of the car by hearing it, depending on how loud it is, and how windy it is.The check is so that I can decide when to move out, I suppose, but it is hard to calculate a following car's speed and likelihood that the driver has anticipated what I'll need to do. At some point I'm committed, and I'm relying on someone following not overtaking at an inopportune time.
I have to say that if someone decided to pass me there and also decided to beep at me, my assumptions about them would (rightly or wrongly) not be positive.
Some cyclists are complete a
holes and I have been a cyclist all my life they annoy the fk out of me.
Some motorists are also aholes the difference being they are sitting in a two tonne piece of metal and when the two collide the cyclist always comes of worse.
Would it really be too much to ask for motorists to give cyclists just a bit of time and to show good road craft by not trying to kill them.
Why is a motorist happy to sit behind a horse and rider whilst it defecates on the public highway and then give a friendly wave as they pass by?.
holes and I have been a cyclist all my life they annoy the fk out of me.Some motorists are also a
holes the difference being they are sitting in a two tonne piece of metal and when the two collide the cyclist always comes of worse.Would it really be too much to ask for motorists to give cyclists just a bit of time and to show good road craft by not trying to kill them.
Why is a motorist happy to sit behind a horse and rider whilst it defecates on the public highway and then give a friendly wave as they pass by?.
Ahimoth said:
Finlandia said:
Mave said:
Just like motorcycle, mopeds and scooters, bicycles aren't allowed to jump red light. IIRC, when Westminster (or maybe Manchester?) did a study, the percentage of red light jumpers was pretty similar between cars and bicycles.
My experience tells me differently, on my daily commute I see at least 10-20 cyclists going through red lights everyday, and I honestly can't say when I last saw a car going through a red (emergency services uncounted for).It not necessarily the same thing that cyclists generally stand accused of that you're looking for. It's people who go through lights they had time to stop for that account for the majority of car drivers who red light jump.
You'll see it all the time, when you start looking for it. That car that is still crossing the junction when you've got a green light did it.
Ok. I saw one earlier, and last Saturday two jumped a red where the ahead and right turn only lanes were controlled by separate lights. The first car was queue jumping so went on the green for ahead in order to get ahead, and the second car was turning right but just followed him through. I see cars go through reds often, and fairly often am pretty sure they must have done as they're still moving through a junction (at speed) when my lights are changing or even green.
Mr Will said:
Do you think that maybe the guys at risk of injury and even death would like a slightly larger margin for error between them and the two ton vehicle blowing it's horn? If you weren't surprised then why did you force your way through? What did you expect the bikes approaching the parked car to do? Jump? Teleport? Pull over and doff their caps?
Sounds like you need a refresher on that training. Who knows, you might even pass this time.
If they were that concerned about safety wouldn't they check behind them?Sounds like you need a refresher on that training. Who knows, you might even pass this time.
Not sure the Jaguar is 2 tons.
Didn't need to "force my way through" as was enough room AS SAID MANY, MANY TIMES yawn!
"What did you expect the bikes approaching the parked car to do" Act in a legal and respectful manner! That's it, no acrobatics, make believe technology or doffing of caps necessary
Didn't fail so that cheap shot missed too. Just didn't get round to actually taking the test.
Ok getting bored now so don't care what anyone thinks on the incident anymore TBH. Got better things to do.
Cyclist should ride legally within the law. End off.
if your passing a cyclist and not giving them at least two metres your not passing them safely if they fell into the road as a result of a pothole there is a very good chance of a decapitation.
I have lost too many friends now ~I wish some motorists would realise how their life's would change if they accidently took the life of a cyclist.
A friend of mine is dead from the waist down because a motorist took him out from behind I find some posters still think this is a frivolous thread and those naughty cyclists need to be taught a lesson
I have lost too many friends now ~I wish some motorists would realise how their life's would change if they accidently took the life of a cyclist.
A friend of mine is dead from the waist down because a motorist took him out from behind I find some posters still think this is a frivolous thread and those naughty cyclists need to be taught a lesson
I have fitted a dash cam in the car. Certain parts of South Manchester at rush hour, especially some of the back streets/rat runs are becoming a nightmare for car drivers due to cyclists.
Many times i have had cyclists moving out into the road after simply not looking or running a red light - what ever happened to lifesaver checks?
So many with no lights or helmets on either - if you can afford a bike, why can you not afford a helmet at the minimum?!
I suspect it is due to overconfidence in their road riding abilities or that cars will simply stop, or possibly that the law will side with them as a vulnerable road user.
Manchester police do run regular stop and fines on Oxford road for cyclists exiting the town centre heading south. Personally i think they need to do it more often.
Last time i engaged with a cyclist they came off the pavement a foot in front of my car without looking - bit of a shock to them when the horn went and a squeal of tyres.
Many times i have had cyclists moving out into the road after simply not looking or running a red light - what ever happened to lifesaver checks?
So many with no lights or helmets on either - if you can afford a bike, why can you not afford a helmet at the minimum?!
I suspect it is due to overconfidence in their road riding abilities or that cars will simply stop, or possibly that the law will side with them as a vulnerable road user.
Manchester police do run regular stop and fines on Oxford road for cyclists exiting the town centre heading south. Personally i think they need to do it more often.
Last time i engaged with a cyclist they came off the pavement a foot in front of my car without looking - bit of a shock to them when the horn went and a squeal of tyres.
JagXJR said:
Your hypothetical example will not happen because unlike some of you (obviously from some of the posts) I check my mirrors regularly.
Ah - so you check the mirrors as you approach the parked car and see some nutter on a motorcycle overtaking and you slam on the anchors to prevent squashing him... is that what you mean?In other words, the cyclists SHOULD have stopped to let you finish your ill-thought-out overtake.
heebeegeetee said:
JagXJR said:
Cyclist should ride legally within the law. End off.
Shouldn't motorists do likewise? I mean, they/we may not kill and injure hundreds of thousand each and every year if they drove within the law. Shouldn't this bother you far more?This cyclist vs motorist debacle will continue while there are people in cars who feel hard done by when they see a cyclist filter past in a lane especially for them and cyclists who feel every drivers who fails to give them enough space should be arrested for attempted murder. As a driver I see things on the road and I may roll my eyes or even mention it on the knob thread but as a cyclist everything is multiplied by the fact I don't have airbags, three point harness, a Faraday cage, crumple zones and a million excuses to protect me; all I have is a plastic hat lined with polystyrene and high (in)vis(ible) clothing.
Those drivers out there who are keen to critique cyclists, get on a bike for a week or two and look at the world though our eyes. I guarantee cycling will make you a more considerate driver.
Liquid Knight said:
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Those drivers out there who are keen to critique cyclists, get on a bike for a week or two and look at the world though our eyes. I guarantee cycling will make you a more considerate driver.
Oh so very true. There has always been belief among bike riders that if potential drivers were made to ride a bike for a month or two, it would transform their thought processes for the better.Those drivers out there who are keen to critique cyclists, get on a bike for a week or two and look at the world though our eyes. I guarantee cycling will make you a more considerate driver.
Also: Every driver who is a serious rider, is a better driver as a consequence.
heebeegeetee said:
A cyclist only has to jump off and run alongside his bike and he's legal, afaiaa. I'm not sure if bikers are in the same position, but they can try.
Cyclists don't have to bother jumping off their bikes for me. I don't care, because it's a complete non-story. I would however be perfectly happy to see car drivers who jump stop lights (and those who stop in yellow boxes too) because they delay me repeatedly.
Indeed I probably lose more time to drivers who don't indicate than i do to any cyclist, by a factor of about a gazillion.
The only time it's genuinely an issue is when there are pedestrians crossing, especially under a green man. Whether this is an issue across the UK I've no idea but it is a right royal pain in the City where it's not uncommon to see a pedestrian get hit by a cyclist who has jumped a red light and tried to sail through the pedestrian crossing zone full of pedestrians. Cyclists don't have to bother jumping off their bikes for me. I don't care, because it's a complete non-story. I would however be perfectly happy to see car drivers who jump stop lights (and those who stop in yellow boxes too) because they delay me repeatedly.
Indeed I probably lose more time to drivers who don't indicate than i do to any cyclist, by a factor of about a gazillion.
And as London is totally flat in the City it isn't exactly an issue to stop for lights and given the enormous number of pedestrians it would seem even more logical to do so.
They are adults and are fully aware of the increased risk of being hit by a car at that point so it's no real concern to any of us should two people ignoring the law should meet.
DonkeyApple said:
The only time it's genuinely an issue is when there are pedestrians crossing, especially under a green man. Whether this is an issue across the UK I've no idea but it is a right royal pain in the City where it's not uncommon to see a pedestrian get hit by a cyclist who has jumped a red light and tried to sail through the pedestrian crossing zone full of pedestrians.
And as London is totally flat in the City it isn't exactly an issue to stop for lights and given the enormous number of pedestrians it would seem even more logical to do so.
They are adults and are fully aware of the increased risk of being hit by a car at that point so it's no real concern to any of us should two people ignoring the law should meet.
I agree, I agree that these cyclists are a PITA.And as London is totally flat in the City it isn't exactly an issue to stop for lights and given the enormous number of pedestrians it would seem even more logical to do so.
They are adults and are fully aware of the increased risk of being hit by a car at that point so it's no real concern to any of us should two people ignoring the law should meet.
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