Do you 'engage' with cyclists?
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JagXJR said:
yonex said:
Haha, says the bloke incapable of negotiating traffic.
At least I'm not incapable of keeping to the speed limit.Or whinging on the internet about it.
And then refusing to back up your claims.
Do you realise you are the one being laughed at?
that's me laughing at YOU...Dammit said:
JagXJR is a veritable one man LOL-O-geddon.
I commend him for services to comedy, although his own descriptions of his driving suggest that he needs to sell the car and take the bus for the rest of his life - what little there is of it left too him anyway.
Come back and troll when you have learnt to make a sentence that makes sense. Otherwise it is you that will be the butt (of the laughter).I commend him for services to comedy, although his own descriptions of his driving suggest that he needs to sell the car and take the bus for the rest of his life - what little there is of it left too him anyway.
Do I want to engage with cyclists? Not this lot on here although they do have some comedic value
JagXJR said:
At least I'm not incapable of keeping to the speed limit.
Or whinging on the internet about it.
And then refusing to back up your claims.
Do you realise you are the one being laughed at?
Haha, comedy gold. Can you tell me where you're driving so I can avoid the area, it'll help others as well, we should avoid drivers with your level of ability. Get some training, it's probably been a while since you passed your test.Or whinging on the internet about it.
And then refusing to back up your claims.
Do you realise you are the one being laughed at?
JagXJR said:
Come back and troll when you have learnt to make a sentence that makes sense. Otherwise it is you that will be the butt (of the laughter).
Do I want to engage with cyclists? Not this lot on here although they do have some comedic value
Sounds like you didn't pay much attention in school?Do I want to engage with cyclists? Not this lot on here although they do have some comedic value
What part of my post is giving you trouble? We can take each part in turn and by the end you will have learnt something!
Dammit said:
Sounds like you didn't pay much attention in school?
What part of my post is giving you trouble? We can take each part in turn and by the end you will have learnt something!
What part of my post is giving you trouble? We can take each part in turn and by the end you will have learnt something!
Dammit said:
JagXJR - what little there is of it left too him anyway.
Oh I see, just poor spelling.And you think I need to go back to school?
gazza285 said:
This still going? JagXJR, give it up man, you are doing yourself a disservice now.
Some are attempting to keep it going, I'm just responding to their ridiculous posts where they quote me. What would you have me do, ignore them?This is why you should not engage with cyclists, many of them are unable to engage on a sensible basis.
So my posts are on topic, not abusive and quite polite (given the ridiculous remarks from others).
Quite happy to end it, others just wont let it go though.
heebeegeetee said:
Finlandia said:
Utredaren Jan Schyllander, berättar att hög fart och kraftiga inbromsningar är en vanlig orsak till de olyckor som slutar i sjukhusbesök
Google translate:
The investigator Jan Schyllander, who wrote the report says that high speed and heavy braking is a common cause of accidents that ends in hospital visits
Exempel på skadeförebyggande åtgärder för att minska antalet cykelolyckor:
•Cyklisten ska använda hjälm och reflexer samt anpassa hastigheten till väglag och övrig trafik.
•Avstå alkohol. Kombinationen alkohol och cykelåkning är mycket olämplig.
•Cykelvägar bör i högre utsträckning separeras från annan trafik, vinterväghållning av cykelvägar behöver förbättras samt borttagning av lösgrus, håligheter och höga trottoarkanter.
•Cykelfabrikanter bör tillhandahålla cyklar med låsningsfria bromsar, ekerskydd och cyklar som är lätta att kliva av och på (framförallt för äldre personer).
Google translate:
Examples of mitigation measures to reduce the number of bicycle accidents:
• The rider must wear a helmet and reflexes and adjust your speed to the road conditions and traffic.
• Refrain alcohol. The combination of alcohol and cycling is very inappropriate.
• Bike paths should be greater extent separated from other traffic, winter maintenance of bicycle paths for improvement and removal of loose gravel, cavities and high curbs.
• bicycle manufacturers should provide bikes with anti-lock brakes, spokes and bikes that are easy to get on and off (particularly for older people).
Looks like it's mainly the actions of the cyclist that causes the injuries, 80% are single accidents, 8% cyclist on cyclist, a common cause being high speed (not adjusting the speed to the conditions and surroundings) and heavy braking.
This is also the view of the bicycle police.
Whenever I engage in these debates I constantly have to remind that I am only talking about ordinary, utility cycling, and the fact that it is no more dangerous than any other normal activity. Google translate:
The investigator Jan Schyllander, who wrote the report says that high speed and heavy braking is a common cause of accidents that ends in hospital visits
Exempel på skadeförebyggande åtgärder för att minska antalet cykelolyckor:
•Cyklisten ska använda hjälm och reflexer samt anpassa hastigheten till väglag och övrig trafik.
•Avstå alkohol. Kombinationen alkohol och cykelåkning är mycket olämplig.
•Cykelvägar bör i högre utsträckning separeras från annan trafik, vinterväghållning av cykelvägar behöver förbättras samt borttagning av lösgrus, håligheter och höga trottoarkanter.
•Cykelfabrikanter bör tillhandahålla cyklar med låsningsfria bromsar, ekerskydd och cyklar som är lätta att kliva av och på (framförallt för äldre personer).
Google translate:
Examples of mitigation measures to reduce the number of bicycle accidents:
• The rider must wear a helmet and reflexes and adjust your speed to the road conditions and traffic.
• Refrain alcohol. The combination of alcohol and cycling is very inappropriate.
• Bike paths should be greater extent separated from other traffic, winter maintenance of bicycle paths for improvement and removal of loose gravel, cavities and high curbs.
• bicycle manufacturers should provide bikes with anti-lock brakes, spokes and bikes that are easy to get on and off (particularly for older people).
Looks like it's mainly the actions of the cyclist that causes the injuries, 80% are single accidents, 8% cyclist on cyclist, a common cause being high speed (not adjusting the speed to the conditions and surroundings) and heavy braking.
This is also the view of the bicycle police.
In efforts to prove me wrong people constantly cite what happens to people who engage in high speed, off-road and/or stunt-type cycling such as bmx.
You are citing evidence from high speed cycling involving heavy braking. I'm not talking about that, I an talking about cycling such as this, shown in this film of everyday cycling in Malmo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvnGKI_rEoo
Earlier in this thread, you stated as fact that cycle helmets will save you from head injury. But the real fact is is that the countries with the highest rates of helemt use also have the highest rates of cyling head injury, and the countries with the lowest rates of helmet use also have the lowest rates of cycling head injury.
Sweden's figures are rather astonishing imo with 45% of traffic injuries being suffered by cyclists. That still means that a similar figure of injuries are being suffered by motorists though, desoite the enormous increases in car safety. If car occupants were forced to wear helmets it is beleived that the numbers of lives saved would be greater than the numbers of cyclists lives saved.
So Finlandia, why don't you wear a helmet when driving?
The police in the studio is saying that more and more cyclists are hurt and a big factor is the disregard for traffic rules, he also says that the police will be enforcing cyclists more from now on.
http://tv.aftonbladet.se/webbtv/nyheter/brott-och-...
From 14:00 if the video doesn't load as it should.
According to the study and the bicycle police the issues are speeds that are too high for the surroundings and/or conditions in all types of cycling, more cyclists are injured than motorists (cars).
Folksam har tidigare rapporterat att det nu är fler cyklister än bilister som skadas allvarligt i trafiken och skillnaden bara ökar. Huvudskador står för de svåraste skadorna. Men axlar och armar, som står för hela hälften av de svåra cykelskadorna, är fortfarande oskyddade.
Google translate:
Folksam has previously reported that there now are more cyclists than motorists who are seriously injured in traffic and the difference is increasing. Head injuries account for the severe injuries. However, shoulders and arms, which accounts for the entire half of the difficult bicycle injuries, are still unprotected.
^^Finlandia, you need to post some data, not just Youtube clips and news articles. There's a massive difference between anecdote and actual study.
Here's one example of a comprehensive study that showed zero impact on cycling safety when comparing mandatory helmet use with non-mandatory use: http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f2674
Here's one example of a comprehensive study that showed zero impact on cycling safety when comparing mandatory helmet use with non-mandatory use: http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f2674
Dammit said:
^^Finlandia, you need to post some data, not just Youtube clips and news articles. There's a massive difference between anecdote and actual study.
Here's one example of a comprehensive study that showed zero impact on cycling safety when comparing mandatory helmet use with non-mandatory use: http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f2674
A few pages back I posted Swedish statistics and studies in links, 45% of the traffic injuries in Sweden are cyclists, 88% of cycling accidents are single or bike on bike accidents, more cyclists are injured than motorists.Here's one example of a comprehensive study that showed zero impact on cycling safety when comparing mandatory helmet use with non-mandatory use: http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.f2674
ETA, head, shoulder and arm injuries are the biggest, in one of the links they were doing testing for shoulder pads to be worn alongside a helmet to reduce risk of long term/permanent injury.
Edited by Finlandia on Saturday 7th March 14:57
And that's great, but it has very little bearing on the UK - 80% of accidents here are the result of drivers hitting cyclists with their vehicles, and a helmet has been shown to have no impact on the clinical outcome of such encounters, as major thoracic damage is usually the most significant issue.
Your figures suggest significant segregation if 88% of accidents are bike-on-bike, and we simply don't have that here.
Your figures suggest significant segregation if 88% of accidents are bike-on-bike, and we simply don't have that here.
Finlandia said:
A few pages back I posted Swedish statistics and studies in links, 45% of the traffic injuries in Sweden are cyclists, 88% of cycling accidents are single or bike on bike accidents, more cyclists are injured than motorists.
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20090417002224/http:/www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/research/rsrr/theme1/ppr445.pdfSweden's different then. Let's use data from the UK, which paints a very different picture (two-thirds of cycle accidents being a motorist not looking at a junction), where it's available and disagrees.
Dammit said:
JagXJR said:
Oh I see, just poor spelling.
And you think I need to go back to school?
Yes, frankly. But that said, if you started to show a glimmer of comprehension with regards to your own actions you'd lose some of your Thread Clown value, so maybe not.And you think I need to go back to school?
Still ridiculous content but Rome wasn't built in a day!
Dammit said:
And that's great, but it has very little bearing on the UK - 80% of accidents here are the result of drivers hitting cyclists with their vehicles, and a helmet has been shown to have no impact on the clinical outcome of such encounters, as major thoracic damage is usually the most significant issue.
Your figures suggest significant segregation if 88% of accidents are bike-on-bike, and we simply don't have that here.
There are cycle paths here, but not that many and not used by that many, the major cities here look quite like London in miniature, when it comes to cycling.Your figures suggest significant segregation if 88% of accidents are bike-on-bike, and we simply don't have that here.
80% is single bike accident, 8% is bike on bike.
Still doesn't seem like there is much of a comparison - I'm sure you have some dangerous incompetents like Jag XJR who can't drive around cyclists safely, but you would seem to have far fewer of them than we do.
Here the biggest danger to cyclists is Jag XJR and his clones, and cycle helmets do very very little to mitigate the consequences of an entitled fool ploughing into you.
Here the biggest danger to cyclists is Jag XJR and his clones, and cycle helmets do very very little to mitigate the consequences of an entitled fool ploughing into you.
JagXJR said:
Some are attempting to keep it going, I'm just responding to their ridiculous posts where they quote me. What would you have me do, ignore them?
This is why you should not engage with cyclists, many of them are unable to engage on a sensible basis.
So my posts are on topic, not abusive and quite polite (given the ridiculous remarks from others).
Quite happy to end it, others just wont let it go though.
You weren't in Oxfordshire today were you, someone with skills approaching your level cut me up then gave me the finger. Very brave these car drivers, they never seem to want to hang around after the abuse. That's the thing with bullies eh, pieces of insecure crap basically This is why you should not engage with cyclists, many of them are unable to engage on a sensible basis.
So my posts are on topic, not abusive and quite polite (given the ridiculous remarks from others).
Quite happy to end it, others just wont let it go though.
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