Do you 'engage' with cyclists?
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Dammit said:
Which is fine, not sure how that implies that mandatory helmets would increase road safety and the general health of the nation though?
According to studies made two of three cycling related head injuries would have been avoided by using a helmet. According to researchers cycling seems to be costing the nation here, in hospital care. In all there are 23,000 hospital visits a year and 3,500 hospital visits resulting in hospital stay longer than 24h.Cycling is good for you, but you need to follow the rules of traffic, that's what the police said in the video I linked to.
Dammit said:
Still doesn't seem like there is much of a comparison - I'm sure you have some dangerous incompetents like Jag XJR who can't drive around cyclists safely, but you would seem to have far fewer of them than we do.
Here the biggest danger to cyclists is Jag XJR and his clones, and cycle helmets do very very little to mitigate the consequences of an entitled fool ploughing into you.
The clones are coming to get you lol. Here the biggest danger to cyclists is Jag XJR and his clones, and cycle helmets do very very little to mitigate the consequences of an entitled fool ploughing into you.
Sounds like the biggest danger to you is yourself.
If you ride safely you have nothing to worry about. If you ride blindly then one day some zombie driver will knock your fool ass off. A helmet might help but as, if there is no sense there is no feeling, maybe not.
No doubt the car driver will get blamed, as it happens on this forum. No point in engaging with them as they simply will not listen to reason. As shown on this thread.
Far better to buy a camera and ALWAYS have it recording. The first time you don't will probably be the first time you need it. This advice is for everyone, cyclist too. I appreciate cycles not having registration plates showing makes them harder to track down, but it protects you against wild accusations like the ones made on this thread
Some people need to grow up! Hopefully before they hurt themselves.
Finlandia said:
Dammit said:
Which is fine, not sure how that implies that mandatory helmets would increase road safety and the general health of the nation though?
According to studies made two of three cycling related head injuries would have been avoided by using a helmet. According to researchers cycling seems to be costing the nation here, in hospital care. In all there are 23,000 hospital visits a year and 3,500 hospital visits resulting in hospital stay longer than 24h.Cycling is good for you, but you need to follow the rules of traffic, that's what the police said in the video I linked to.
yonex said:
You weren't in Oxfordshire today were you, someone with skills approaching your level cut me up then gave me the finger. Very brave these car drivers, they never seem to want to hang around after the abuse. That's the thing with bullies eh, pieces of insecure crap basically 
And what did you do to prompt this?If you were able to read you would be aware that I give horses and cyclists a wide berth. Don't want to damage my car.
Also keep pointing out that I don't engage with other drivers/riders as there is no point.
I know there are bad drivers out there, just as many as cyclists. That's why I advise getting a camera.
Do you have any proof or is this another of your rants that you offer with no evidence such as this one?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Stap me. May i ask that anyone who has any interest at all in the helmet debate have a read of this:
http://www.daclarke.org/AltTrans/MuladyResponse.ht...
It's American, but |I do think is of interest. There's also some interesting data relating to rate of car crashes there.
http://www.daclarke.org/AltTrans/MuladyResponse.ht...
It's American, but |I do think is of interest. There's also some interesting data relating to rate of car crashes there.
JagXJR said:
And what did you do to prompt this?
If you were able to read you would be aware that I give horses and cyclists a wide berth. Don't want to damage my car.
Also keep pointing out that I don't engage with other drivers/riders as there is no point.
I know there are bad drivers out there, just as many as cyclists. That's why I advise getting a camera.
Do you have any proof or is this another of your rants that you offer with no evidence such as this one?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
It's funny that you keep harking back to the speeding thread. On one hand obviously very keen on upholding the law yet when it comes to other traffic its 'fIf you were able to read you would be aware that I give horses and cyclists a wide berth. Don't want to damage my car.
Also keep pointing out that I don't engage with other drivers/riders as there is no point.
I know there are bad drivers out there, just as many as cyclists. That's why I advise getting a camera.
Do you have any proof or is this another of your rants that you offer with no evidence such as this one?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
k them'. So every ride I have to carry a camera, to protect myself from people like you. Thanks but I'll do without. In answer to what my crime was I made the mistake of cycling at about 36kmh when some self important tosspot (in an Audi, go figure) on a straight road gave me no room the swerved in front of me, I think he felt it was amusing. You see there is generally no good reason for people behaving like this, probably 50 - 80 cars passed me today, one muppet out of the group of them, of course you condone this as your little brain believes all cyclists are vermin, oh and there was no proof....of course.I suggest if you want to carry on masturbating with your friends in the other thread then perhaps send them a message to meet up?
JagXJR said:
If you were able to read you would be aware that I give horses and cyclists a wide berth. Don't want to damage my car.
Great, so there is absolutely no need to sound your horn as you pass.As you said yourself, you anticipated everything except for the cyclist's response to your horn (which itself I find a little strange, I would expect an advanced driver to realise a horn could be interpreted as aggressive.
So if you anticipated everything that actually happened, and had an escape plan for everything that might happen, there should be need to use your horn.
Mave said:
Great, so there is absolutely no need to sound your horn as you pass.
As you said yourself, you anticipated everything except for the cyclist's response to your horn (which itself I find a little strange, I would expect an advanced driver to realise a horn could be interpreted as aggressive.
So if you anticipated everything that actually happened, and had an escape plan for everything that might happen, there should be need to use your horn.
Yup, he's a liar amongst other things.As you said yourself, you anticipated everything except for the cyclist's response to your horn (which itself I find a little strange, I would expect an advanced driver to realise a horn could be interpreted as aggressive.
So if you anticipated everything that actually happened, and had an escape plan for everything that might happen, there should be need to use your horn.
yonex said:
It's funny that you keep harking back to the speeding thread. On one hand obviously very keen on upholding the law yet when it comes to other traffic its 'fk them'. So every ride I have to carry a camera, to protect myself from people like you. Thanks but I'll do without. In answer to what my crime was I made the mistake of cycling at about 36kmh when some self important tosspot (in an Audi, go figure) on a straight road gave me no room the swerved in front of me, I think he felt it was amusing. You see there is generally no good reason for people behaving like this, probably 50 - 80 cars passed me today, one muppet out of the group of them, of course you condone this as your little brain believes all cyclists are vermin, oh and there was no proof....of course.
I suggest if you want to carry on masturbating with your friends in the other thread then perhaps send them a message to meet up?
Its funny that you keep harking back to being abusive, but some people are like that I guess k them'. So every ride I have to carry a camera, to protect myself from people like you. Thanks but I'll do without. In answer to what my crime was I made the mistake of cycling at about 36kmh when some self important tosspot (in an Audi, go figure) on a straight road gave me no room the swerved in front of me, I think he felt it was amusing. You see there is generally no good reason for people behaving like this, probably 50 - 80 cars passed me today, one muppet out of the group of them, of course you condone this as your little brain believes all cyclists are vermin, oh and there was no proof....of course.I suggest if you want to carry on masturbating with your friends in the other thread then perhaps send them a message to meet up?
It's your attitude that gets you noticed, certainly on the Internet at least.
So you expect us to just take your word for it that a car driver (even if he was driving an Audi) suddenly decided, for no good reason to cut you up on a perfectly straight road. Just for kicks? Given your unsubstantiated claims elsewhere.
Oh and thanks for putting words in my mouth but that's another thing you are wrong on. I have never referred to cyclists as vermin, in fact even posted that I had never heard of cyclists being referred to as rodents after reading a ridiculous or out of date quote from someone I have never heard of. I would post a quote to it if I could be bothered to go back through the posts but I consider I have wasted enough time on the likes of you and your ridiculous claims! It's all there though for those that read others posts, instead of just posting garbage and vitriol.
No you don't have to carry a camera, I would suggest IF you ride like a muppet (as I suspect from your posts) that it would not be a good idea as the evidence could be used against you. Your choice though.
Me, I'd rather have a camera. That way when some idiot (like some on here) makes their ludicrous allegations and a bunch of lycra clad friends back them up, I can just "play back the tape". That for the sake of £30 odd quid could save me a lot of hassle.
Your last sentence says it all about your attitude really. Which is why it is a waste of time engaging with the likes of you. Instead of listening like a reasonable human being, you just like to be abusive. No wonder you seem to attract negative reactions really is it?
Mave said:
Great, so there is absolutely no need to sound your horn as you pass.
As you said yourself, you anticipated everything except for the cyclist's response to your horn (which itself I find a little strange, I would expect an advanced driver to realise a horn could be interpreted as aggressive.
So if you anticipated everything that actually happened, and had an escape plan for everything that might happen, there should be need to use your horn.
So why are horns fitted to cars then? If everyone drove/rode correctly, as you say they would not be needed.As you said yourself, you anticipated everything except for the cyclist's response to your horn (which itself I find a little strange, I would expect an advanced driver to realise a horn could be interpreted as aggressive.
So if you anticipated everything that actually happened, and had an escape plan for everything that might happen, there should be need to use your horn.
So let me give you another example, when I drive I like to leave a braking space between me and the car in front. Quite often some idiot will fill that gap leaving me less space than I would like. Must be safe to them otherwise they would not jump into the space, but less space than I am comfortable with.
I just drop back and leave the space I am comfortable with. I don't sound the horn without a need to, or flash my lights or make any gestures. I leave that to the muppets out there.
No I don't expect someone's reaction to a perfectly legal sounding of the horn alerting them to the fact I was there (since they couldn't be bothered to look) to be a illegal reaction like abuse. As a normal well-balanced human being why would I? That I find a little strange!
However after getting it from argumentative people on this thread I am now alerted to the possibility. Thanks for that.
As to being a liar, I have already apologised for that, shame some of you can't admit when you are wrong instead of flogging the same dead horse!
JagXJR said:
Blah, blah, let's try and talk about something else
It's ok. From your posts I can deduce you're not worth bothering with, I've added pompous and arrogant to the list for good order. Go get some driver training before you cause further problems. Oh and pop back the next time you want apologise for something else.
yonex said:
It's ok. From your posts I can deduce you're not worth bothering with, I've added pompous and arrogant to the list for good order. Go get some driver training before you cause further problems.
Oh and pop back the next time you want apologise for something else.
Likewise. Oh and pop back the next time you want apologise for something else.
I'd like to apologise for you, you're a sorry sounding individual.
Time to move on!
Finlandia said:
According to studies made two of three cycling related head injuries would have been avoided by using a helmet. According to researchers cycling seems to be costing the nation here, in hospital care. In all there are 23,000 hospital visits a year and 3,500 hospital visits resulting in hospital stay longer than 24h.
Cycling is good for you, but you need to follow the rules of traffic, that's what the police said in the video I linked to.
Have you got the link to these studies, and the hospital stats?Cycling is good for you, but you need to follow the rules of traffic, that's what the police said in the video I linked to.
daveinhampshire said:
I don't have an issue with cyclists or horses, I give both as much room as possible. Like most things, if someone has a chip on their shoulder riding a bike or driving a car will make no difference, they're idiots in or on either.
It's the horses on bikes that really grind my gears.Dammit said:
Finlandia said:
According to studies made two of three cycling related head injuries would have been avoided by using a helmet. According to researchers cycling seems to be costing the nation here, in hospital care. In all there are 23,000 hospital visits a year and 3,500 hospital visits resulting in hospital stay longer than 24h.
Cycling is good for you, but you need to follow the rules of traffic, that's what the police said in the video I linked to.
Have you got the link to these studies, and the hospital stats?Cycling is good for you, but you need to follow the rules of traffic, that's what the police said in the video I linked to.
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