Do you 'engage' with cyclists?
Discussion
V8forweekends said:
WinstonWolf said:
To my mind it should be the law that if you're physically fit you should not be allowed to use a car for journeys under three miles...
For second, I thought you were serious! I'm going to have a lot of fun getting all my cans of oil and various car parts back from the motor factors on my bike, let alone all my groceries.
WinstonWolf said:
Would you drive a road car across a field?
Yes, quite often do it at car boot sales, overspill National Trust car parks etcWinstonWolf said:
So why would you expect me to ride on unsuitable paths?
A lot depends on who is defining unsuitable - if you say that holding me up is insignificant and irrelevant, then using a cycle path that takes a few extra seconds won't kill you.WinstonWolf said:
The problem is *you're* the traffic you're stuck in, not those of us who choose to cycle...
No, we're all part of it, including those who choose to cycle.
And anyway, if a cyclist holds you up a few extra seconds won't kill you...
PS, only one V8?
spaximus said:
And here we have why there will never be agreement. I know it is not the law, I was suggesting it should be. Most people accept that keeping cycles away from traffic is a good thing. If the council provide something it should be suitable.
Sustran, have had millions from all of us to develop cycle routes. They have officers who deal with the councils to encourage "integrated" solutions, which they are very good at doing.
Totally agree with the keeping clear of cycle lanes.
Your final point, many cyclists love to say we do not pay road tax as motorists so we have no more rights than cyclists, so regardless of who pays what, roads are shared space, where facilities are provided for one gropu or another to use exclusively they should be used by that group.
I do not see the roads as a battlefield that cyclists do, commonsense form both sides is all it takes to rub along but people from both sides of the fence seem to be determined to slug it out rather that rationally discuss things.
I see no reason for continues disagreement, but what needs to happen first is for the motoring public to abandon their belief that they have divine superiority over all other road users, especially bike riders. It is indeed a fact that motorists have no more right to the road than anyone else.Sustran, have had millions from all of us to develop cycle routes. They have officers who deal with the councils to encourage "integrated" solutions, which they are very good at doing.
Totally agree with the keeping clear of cycle lanes.
Your final point, many cyclists love to say we do not pay road tax as motorists so we have no more rights than cyclists, so regardless of who pays what, roads are shared space, where facilities are provided for one gropu or another to use exclusively they should be used by that group.
I do not see the roads as a battlefield that cyclists do, commonsense form both sides is all it takes to rub along but people from both sides of the fence seem to be determined to slug it out rather that rationally discuss things.
Separation is necessary when one group refuses to acknowledge the needs of the other. The question is, who is going to be moved?
Saddle bum said:
I see no reason for continues disagreement, but what needs to happen first is for the motoring public to abandon their belief that they have divine superiority over all other road users, especially bike riders.
I see no reason for "continues disagreement" if cyclists stop treating other road users as The Enemy.I am being somewhat facetious, as most don't.
But every PH cycling thread ends up making me think there is a loud minority of mental cyclists who hate other road users.
Johnnytheboy said:
I see no reason for "continues disagreement" if cyclists stop treating other road users as The Enemy.
I am being somewhat facetious, as most don't.
But every PH cycling thread ends up making me think there is a loud minority of mental cyclists who hate other road users.
Every PH cycling/Horse/lorry thread ends up making me think that there is a loud group of car drivers who think they have more right than everyone else to be on the road.I am being somewhat facetious, as most don't.
But every PH cycling thread ends up making me think there is a loud minority of mental cyclists who hate other road users.
Johnnytheboy said:
Saddle bum said:
I see no reason for continues disagreement, but what needs to happen first is for the motoring public to abandon their belief that they have divine superiority over all other road users, especially bike riders.
I see no reason for "continues disagreement" if cyclists stop treating other road users as The Enemy.I am being somewhat facetious, as most don't.
But every PH cycling thread ends up making me think there is a loud minority of mental cyclists who hate other road users.
Johnnytheboy said:
I see no reason for "continues disagreement" if cyclists stop treating other road users as The Enemy.
I am being somewhat facetious, as most don't.
But every PH cycling thread ends up making me think there is a loud minority of mental cyclists who hate other road users.
Yet it's obvious, and is pointed out in every cycling thread, that most, if not all cyclists are also drivers. Spend a week on the road being cut up and driven past closely at speed then blinded every evening and tell me how you'd regard the average motorist? I am being somewhat facetious, as most don't.
But every PH cycling thread ends up making me think there is a loud minority of mental cyclists who hate other road users.
yonex said:
Yet it's obvious, and is pointed out in every cycling thread, that most, if not all cyclists are also drivers. Spend a week on the road being cut up and driven past closely at speed then blinded every evening and tell me how you'd regard the average motorist?
I'd stop cycling. I'd certainly not spend the whole time on a car forum whinging about it.
spaximus said:
To my mind it should be the law if there is a cycle path it must be used. Cyclists by choosing not to use what is provided do wind up others who are held up.
No they don't. They wind people up who are thick and don't realise that they are the traffic they are stuck in, people who don't have eyes that work properly and can't see that as car drivers they/we create gazillions of hours of wasted time annually. It takes a special kind of mind to get wound up about seconds of delay by cyclists (or anybody else) while creating hours of delays themselves, but sadly you may be right in thinking the majority of people are that thick.
Johnnytheboy said:
Devil2575 said:
Every PH cycling/Horse/lorry thread ends up making me think that there is a loud group of car drivers who think they have more right than everyone else to be on the road.
It's a car forum. What did you expect?zedstar said:
No point engaging with cyclists, some (not all) seem to not understand we all have to share the road. A case in point was me waiting at a junction, pulled out slowly, spotted a cylist coming and so waited before pulling into traffic so he could get past, as he was unsure of why I had stopped (I think) halfway he slowed down and rode around me. This is exactly why i had stopped. He shouted out 'f
kING wkER' as he rode around.
So I see him, wait for him, he slows down through some confusion - totally understandable, but being considerate of him makes me a fking wker?
You admitted yourself that you started pulling out of a junction before it was clear. If roles were reversed, wouldn't you be a little circumspect at least as you passed a car doing exactly that?kING wkER' as he rode around.So I see him, wait for him, he slows down through some confusion - totally understandable, but being considerate of him makes me a f
king wker? Devil2575 said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Devil2575 said:
Every PH cycling/Horse/lorry thread ends up making me think that there is a loud group of car drivers who think they have more right than everyone else to be on the road.
It's a car forum. What did you expect?I suspect there's a fair bit of chicken and egg here.
I'd never had a negative thought about cyclists in my life until I started frequenting car and motoring-based forums and finding out what they thought of me. It was quite a shock! Having said that, if the manner of complaint had been a bit less, well, mental, I might have been more inclined to sympathise with their outlook.
As with so many things in life, it's not the message but the manner of delivery that determines the reception.
As both cyclist and car driver, I see the same amount f-wits on bikes as I do in cars. It doesn't matter what transport they're using, a thick tw@t is a thick tw@t.
As a cyclist, I believe that we should all be riding as far to the left as possible as it's safer however, not far over enough to pick up all the sharp stuff in your tyres, the greasy film on the painted lines or to catch your pedal on the curb; there's also the danger that if you're too far over it encourages drivers to squeeze by you within MM's. This sadly is where thick drivers fail because they have poor road planning. For example, approaching a traffic island while also considering overtaking a cyclist is generally not a good idea, it's best to wait until after the island. Countless times you get people almost on your back tyre too eager to get through or, even slamming on their brakes at the last minute when they realise that two of us can't fit in the space. If there's a huge puddle ahead, consider thst the cyclist will move out, likewise for parked cars and buses at bus stops. Finally, those fking great holes in the road that you don't want to stick your alloy wheel in? Well funnily enough the cyclist doesn't want to take that impact either so consider they'll need room there too.
As a cyclist, I believe that we should all be riding as far to the left as possible as it's safer however, not far over enough to pick up all the sharp stuff in your tyres, the greasy film on the painted lines or to catch your pedal on the curb; there's also the danger that if you're too far over it encourages drivers to squeeze by you within MM's. This sadly is where thick drivers fail because they have poor road planning. For example, approaching a traffic island while also considering overtaking a cyclist is generally not a good idea, it's best to wait until after the island. Countless times you get people almost on your back tyre too eager to get through or, even slamming on their brakes at the last minute when they realise that two of us can't fit in the space. If there's a huge puddle ahead, consider thst the cyclist will move out, likewise for parked cars and buses at bus stops. Finally, those f
king great holes in the road that you don't want to stick your alloy wheel in? Well funnily enough the cyclist doesn't want to take that impact either so consider they'll need room there too.Johnnytheboy said:
Devil2575 said:
Every PH cycling/Horse/lorry thread ends up making me think that there is a loud group of car drivers who think they have more right than everyone else to be on the road.
It's a car forum. What did you expect?
That as opposed to deranged rantings from overgrown petulant children with anger management issues.
As both cyclist and car driver, I see the same amount f-wits on bikes as I do in cars. It doesn't matter what transport they're using, a thick tw@t is a thick tw@t.
As a cyclist, I believe that we should all be riding as far to the left as possible as it's safer however, not far over enough to pick up all the sharp stuff in your tyres, the greasy film on the painted lines or to catch your pedal on the curb; there's also the danger that if you're too far over it encourages drivers to squeeze by you within MM's. This sadly is where thick drivers fail because they have poor road planning. For example, approaching a traffic island while also considering overtaking a cyclist is generally not a good idea, it's best to wait until after the island. Countless times you get people almost on your back tyre too eager to get through or, even slamming on their brakes at the last minute when they realise that two of us can't fit in the space. If there's a huge puddle ahead, consider thst the cyclist will move out, likewise for parked cars and buses at bus stops. Finally, those fking great holes in the road that you don't want to stick your alloy wheel in? Well funnily enough the cyclist doesn't want to take that impact either so consider they'll need room there too.
As a cyclist, I believe that we should all be riding as far to the left as possible as it's safer however, not far over enough to pick up all the sharp stuff in your tyres, the greasy film on the painted lines or to catch your pedal on the curb; there's also the danger that if you're too far over it encourages drivers to squeeze by you within MM's. This sadly is where thick drivers fail because they have poor road planning. For example, approaching a traffic island while also considering overtaking a cyclist is generally not a good idea, it's best to wait until after the island. Countless times you get people almost on your back tyre too eager to get through or, even slamming on their brakes at the last minute when they realise that two of us can't fit in the space. If there's a huge puddle ahead, consider thst the cyclist will move out, likewise for parked cars and buses at bus stops. Finally, those f
king great holes in the road that you don't want to stick your alloy wheel in? Well funnily enough the cyclist doesn't want to take that impact either so consider they'll need room there too.How would cyclists ever get enough confrontation to validate the use of helmet cameras if they used the road in a considerate and safe manner?
They are the same breed as the feminists that spend their free time seeking out things that offend them and dreaming up new ways in which they are oppressed.
They are the same breed as the feminists that spend their free time seeking out things that offend them and dreaming up new ways in which they are oppressed.
CarAbuser said:
How would cyclists ever get enough confrontation to validate the use of helmet cameras if they used the road in a considerate and safe manner?
They are the same breed as the feminists that spend their free time seeking out things that offend them and dreaming up new ways in which they are oppressed.
I cycle, I'm also fortunate that I don't drive a big girls car...They are the same breed as the feminists that spend their free time seeking out things that offend them and dreaming up new ways in which they are oppressed.
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