RE: Subaru BRZ v Toyota GT86: Delivery Miles

[nickfrog]

chrispmartha said:

Johnnytheboy said:

So you're saying Toyota should have manufactured 2nd hand Porsches instead?

Are being deliberately obtuse?

I'm not saying anything other than trying to show a reason for them not selling.

What Toyota probably should have done is give it more power to be able to compete with the current crop of hot hatches and also come up with decent finance options.

But Chris, I have had 2 Boxsters at the budget you mention but this time around preferred to spend £16k in a 20 month old / 11k GT86 that has more than 3 years left of its original warranty. I know exactly how much a 70k miles 987 costs to run. And it will be far far more than my Toyota, particularly if you put a proper warranty on it so that you compare like for like and avoid a £8k bill for a new engine. What has finance got to do with anything ? If you don't like the Toyota rates, borrow somewhere else.

Your comparison is a bit silly I am afraid, as others have tried to highlight.

[Steve vRS]

s m said:

I thought these 2 snippets might interest people asking about sales

GT86

Thats some drop off in 2014.

Steve

[WhiteAMG45]

I had my GT86 for two years and I enjoyed every second but as the many posts have said it had some great attributes but some flaws.
I think uk market was going to be hard market to crack because the GT86 is a car that is bought by a small section of the market.

Plus points
Great engine but needs to be reved
goodlooking car
handling was great
not bad MPG I got 28.5 average for the whole two years
Made you smile everytime you drove it
excellent customer service

cons
Lack of Umph
Being duffed up by non-sporty cars
Had the looks but not the go
Second -hand value dropping
Thin paint and the bodywork was thin so it could get damaged easily

I have had my AMG A45 for month and I am pleased I got it

[cptsideways]

KTF said:

cptsideways said:

14k ish buys you one at BCA this past week, they might all have avons on the back which might be a clue to their history

Do tell.

There were at least a dozen at Nottingham BCA today, looks like they have been or are due to go through. All bar one had a new set of Avon's on the back, so my guess is some sort of event cars.

[jjr1]

WhiteAMG45 said:

I had my GT86 for two years and I enjoyed every second but as the many posts have said it had some great attributes but some flaws.
I think uk market was going to be hard market to crack because the GT86 is a car that is bought by a small section of the market.

Plus points
Great engine but needs to be reved
goodlooking car
handling was great
not bad MPG I got 28.5 average for the whole two years
Made you smile everytime you drove it
excellent customer service

cons
Lack of Umph
Being duffed up by non-sporty cars
Had the looks but not the go
Second -hand value dropping
Thin paint and the bodywork was thin so it could get damaged easily

I have had my AMG A45 for month and I am pleased I got it

I don't get the had the looks but not the go bit?

I had mine for two years and nothing on the twisties was even remotely close or bothered to try apart from one Ducati out toward Market Rasen. Fair play to him he was not going to be rimmed by a 200bhp coupe and he was prepared to go radio rental. He had the rear tyre squirming like I have never seen on a bike and did leave me !

On every other occasion no cars would put up a decent challenge.

In a straight line I 100% agree, including my mate in his 320D matching me every incremental mph up to 130mph plus and laughing his tits off as I just sat on his exhaust with not a chance of going past. But how often do you really want to go fast in a straight line? The roads are littered with cameras and bd unmarked cars.

[zeeboy]

I'm really not trying to flame here, but why would anyone buy a GT86 when you can get the last (2009) iteration of the 350z (a brilliant piece of machinery) for well under 12k? You then have the fun AND the power.

[LasseV]

zeeboy said:

I'm really not trying to flame here, but why would anyone buy a GT86 when you can get the last (2009) iteration of the 350z (a brilliant piece of machinery) for well under 12k? You then have the fun AND the power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUhLXvxlQR4

[McFarnsworth]

braddo said:

But it's a piece of cake to make it faster!!!

And the whole ethos of the car was to be a base for modification if the owner wanted to (whether that be for speed or style).

Except it isn't in most of the EU. Toyota made a car designed to be modified, yet doing so in most countries stops it being road legal.

[BritishRacinGrin]

zeeboy said:

I'm really not trying to flame here, but why would anyone buy a GT86 when you can get the last (2009) iteration of the 350z (a brilliant piece of machinery) for well under 12k? You then have the fun AND the power.

The 350Z is big, fat and old.

[RobM77]

zeeboy said:

I'm really not trying to flame here, but why would anyone buy a GT86 when you can get the last (2009) iteration of the 350z (a brilliant piece of machinery) for well under 12k? You then have the fun AND the power.

Too heavy and cumbersome for many of us.

[LasseV]

McFarnsworth said:

Except it isn't in most of the EU. Toyota made a car designed to be modified, yet doing so in most countries stops it being road legal.

Well, it isn't toyotas fault... But on the other hand, some basic mods which are legal in every country will add a lot of performance to this car. It does response for modding very well.

[McFarnsworth]

LasseV said:

Well, it isn't toyotas fault... But on the other hand, some basic mods which are legal in every country will add a lot of performance to this car. It does response for modding very well.

True, that's hardly the car's fault, but it's probably yet another reason why it's not selling more. Why would you buy a very mod friendly car in a country that doesn't allow it?

[chrispmartha]

nickfrog said:

But Chris, I have had 2 Boxsters at the budget you mention but this time around preferred to spend £16k in a 20 month old / 11k GT86 that has more than 3 years left of its original warranty. I know exactly how much a 70k miles 987 costs to run. And it will be far far more than my Toyota, particularly if you put a proper warranty on it so that you compare like for like and avoid a £8k bill for a new engine. What has finance got to do with anything ? If you don't like the Toyota rates, borrow somewhere else.

Your comparison is a bit silly I am afraid, as others have tried to highlight.

How is my comparison 'silly' the fact is it isn't selling well I am only looking at possible reasons as to why, I'm not particularly comparing the pros and cons of the cars I compared, just pointing out what is available and why it might affect GT86 sales.


As for finance I think you're being naive of you think manufacturers finance rates don't affect sales.

[liner33]

zeeboy said:

I'm really not trying to flame here, but why would anyone buy a GT86 when you can get the last (2009) iteration of the 350z (a brilliant piece of machinery) for well under 12k? You then have the fun AND the power.

No you'd buy the 370z, unless you base your decisions on what Chris Harris says.

Also not a big seller either though and at least the '86 does have rear seats

[LordGrover]

Re the 350Z comments above, I traded in my 350Z to buy the Toyota.
Chalk and cheese. I loved the Datsun but for completely different reasons, a great car but not exactly a lightweight sports coupe.
There are things I miss about it but very happy with my decision.

[kambites]

zeeboy said:

I'm really not trying to flame here, but why would anyone buy a GT86 when you can get the last (2009) iteration of the 350z (a brilliant piece of machinery) for well under 12k? You then have the fun AND the power.

I can think of a number of reasons...

1) Where exactly am I supposed to put the children in a 350Z?
2) The GT86 uses roughly half as much fuel.
3) The GT86's chassis is in a completley different league, IMO, I just don't like the way the 350Z drives. The 370Z is a slightly different matter but the GT86 is still better.

[Johnnytheboy]

zeeboy said:

I'm really not trying to flame here, but why would anyone buy a GT86 when you can get the last (2009) iteration of the 350z (a brilliant piece of machinery) for well under 12k? You then have the fun AND the power.

One is new, one is six years old.

[liner33]

kambites said:

I can think of a number of reasons...

1) Where exactly am I supposed to put the children in a 350Z?
2) The GT86 uses roughly half as much fuel.
3) The GT86's chassis is in a completley different league, IMO, I just don't like the way the 350Z drives. The 370Z is a slightly different matter but the GT86 is still better.

Half as much fuel ! Rubbish , maybe 10mpg more , my 370 is averaging 28mpg , so about 25% more fuel for about twice the power , seems more than fair to me

[nickfrog]

Half the fun though.

[HokumPokum]

i think the driving position is great.

every time i get into one I am thinking cayman, except with better gearing. Great sitting position, Steering wheel feels great, gear knob is close to hand and pedals are nicely placed to allow H&T and the brakes are not over-servoed. Yes it doesn't zing enough so what... you get what you pay for.

all hatchbacks and regular coupes have much poorer driving positions. I am thinking one when they do a run out edition..... hopefully with a 2,5L