RE: Subaru BRZ v Toyota GT86: Delivery Miles
Discussion
davyvee said:
Nothing new at the same price can touch the 86/BRZ if you want a rwd coupe. In fact is has no direct competition at it's price point.
If you don't need four seats, I'd be stretching to a Ginetta G40R. It is a fair chunk more expensive, but I'd guess the residuals will mean it costs no more to run. 
anonymous said:
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Four or five years old? A GT-86 will cost you tuppence ha'penny by then. Hardly a reasonable comparison.
Sorry, where are five-year-old GT-86s?Those looking for a new GT-86 are not going to be trawling AT and dealers for five year old cars that are not even remotely similar.
I have no doubt you and others would, you like them. More power to you.
I think it has more to do with the way you say things than the pertinence of what you say. The "impress the neighbours" vs "actual enthusiast" piece in particular is a little unnecessary. Just in my opinion of course.
Anyway, back on topic, after a day at Bedford on the "new" GT last week, the GT86 is proving quite a package, despite the engine, which is fine over 5k, ie track use. I have no idea how much a 2-year old Cayman with 11k miles would be with the cost of 1 or 2 added years of warranty (depending whether bought OPC or not) to match the Toyota's 5 year but surely it must be around £35k, compared to the equivalent GT86 at £16k.
As for the DC2 being head and shoulders above the GT86, I think that's really harsh. We used to run them at Palmers and they were brilliant but apart from resistance to brake fade, I can't think of one area were they were better.
Anyway, back on topic, after a day at Bedford on the "new" GT last week, the GT86 is proving quite a package, despite the engine, which is fine over 5k, ie track use. I have no idea how much a 2-year old Cayman with 11k miles would be with the cost of 1 or 2 added years of warranty (depending whether bought OPC or not) to match the Toyota's 5 year but surely it must be around £35k, compared to the equivalent GT86 at £16k.
As for the DC2 being head and shoulders above the GT86, I think that's really harsh. We used to run them at Palmers and they were brilliant but apart from resistance to brake fade, I can't think of one area were they were better.
Edited by nickfrog on Saturday 21st March 09:05
nickfrog said:
As for the DC2 being head and shoulders above the GT86, I think that's really harsh. We used to run them at Palmers and they were brilliant but apart from resistance to brake fade, I can't think of one area were they were better.
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Engine? Seats? Steering wheel? Interior space? Just questioning because I only have DC2 experience (which was slightly modified) and like the idea of a GT86 but for a few details.]
Gompo said:
nickfrog said:
As for the DC2 being head and shoulders above the GT86, I think that's really harsh. We used to run them at Palmers and they were brilliant but apart from resistance to brake fade, I can't think of one area were they were better.
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Engine? Seats? Steering wheel? Interior space? Just questioning because I only have DC2 experience (which was slightly modified) and like the idea of a GT86 but for a few details.]
GT86 seats not quite as supportive as the DC2s though, but stillspot on for the track particularly with a Glock but easier to live with than the DC2s as a daily.
Steering wheel : little in it.
Interior space : bound to be very similar but I haven't used the DC2 with more than 2 on board.
nickfrog said:
IMO : engine on track on a par, but a bit gruff in the GT86. On the road still a but gruff of course but slightly more "driveable" a lower rpms so all in all very little in it functionnaly.
GT86 seats not quite as supportive as the DC2s though, but stillspot on for the track particularly with a Glock but easier to live with than the DC2s as a daily.
Steering wheel : little in it.
Interior space : bound to be very similar but I haven't used the DC2 with more than 2 on board.
Cheers.GT86 seats not quite as supportive as the DC2s though, but stillspot on for the track particularly with a Glock but easier to live with than the DC2s as a daily.
Steering wheel : little in it.
Interior space : bound to be very similar but I haven't used the DC2 with more than 2 on board.
I'm tall, so space needed for me. I don't necessarily need rear seat space, but it hopefully means that there's more leg room than a normal two seater. Loved the DC2 seats, just made it feel a bit special inside, moreso than a Civic VTi or something anyway.
Had a lightened flywheel in my DC2, not driven a standard one, but it seemed to add to the effect of the VTEC, but thought the B18 pulled fairly well from around 3.5-4k which was good enough for me.
Back more on subject, you can pick up either BRZ or GT86 for £15K these days, will we see them down at £10K sometime next year? Despite the two seats, and I expect less agility and fun; I'd still have to look at a 370z.
For a car that is now so cheap and yet with such good residuals why are they so expensive to lease?
Bearing in mind most drivers of new cars lease rather than buy many would-be buyers of the GT-86 may find the £10k more expensive 135 is a £100 a month cheaper way of accessing sideways fun.
Bearing in mind most drivers of new cars lease rather than buy many would-be buyers of the GT-86 may find the £10k more expensive 135 is a £100 a month cheaper way of accessing sideways fun.
Tannedbaldhead said:
For a car that is now so cheap and yet with such good residuals why are they so expensive to lease?
Bearing in mind most drivers of new cars lease rather than buy many would-be buyers of the GT-86 may find the £10k more expensive 135 is a £100 a month cheaper way of accessing sideways fun.
And is much, much faster. Plus it sounds much better. And is more practical. And more economical. And nicer inside. And better made. With better dealers.Bearing in mind most drivers of new cars lease rather than buy many would-be buyers of the GT-86 may find the £10k more expensive 135 is a £100 a month cheaper way of accessing sideways fun.
This iS why they didn't sell. People with £25k cash and wanting a £25k car buy 2nd hand. I imagine 90%+ new cars are bought on finance of some sort.
Lefty said:
Russ T Bolt said:
Lefty said:
With better dealers.
Not my experience. Toyota dealers are some way ahead of BMW in customer care.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff