RE: Mercedes-AMG C63: Driven
Discussion
acey81 said:
If you focus on the first 90% of the performance envelope, and maybe not the last 10%, why not give the S-version AWD as an option? Especially the wagon would be brilliant if it had AWD, it would be the complete daily driver. Fantastic engine, and engine note, good performance and something different than the RS4 Audi.
Yes, surprising 4wd is not an option. It would add a string to the bow that M3/4 does not currently offer.pegon said:
neil1jnr said:
The Merc is 120KG heavier, C63 saloon vs M4, I think the extra power and torque on the S model easily negates any weight disadvantage the Merc has.
I'd still take the M4 every time though.
You are wrong here, the equivalent to the C63 is the M3, and not as you suggest, the M4. And the weight difference is 60 kg.I'd still take the M4 every time though.
Not that it matters at all.
80kg might make a big difference in a Caterham, but in a 1700kg saloon it's not going to be very noticeable.Wills2 said:
pegon said:
neil1jnr said:
The Merc is 120KG heavier, C63 saloon vs M4, I think the extra power and torque on the S model easily negates any weight disadvantage the Merc has.
I'd still take the M4 every time though.
You are wrong here, the equivalent to the C63 is the M3, and not as you suggest, the M4. And the weight difference is 60 kg.I'd still take the M4 every time though.
Not that it matters at all.
I've got a pre facelift W204 saloon with the diff that I absolutely adore. I love how the older model C63's look (to my eyes at least) they're a lot more aggressive than the facelift with its big air intakes on the bumpers. Although the interior was a HUGE improvement to me the the exterior of the facelift seemed to loose a little something.
As much as I wanted to love the new 63, I just cant. I think what AMG have done with making the engine feel almost NA and keeping the sound undiluted and raw is nothing short of a mechanical wonder, I just can't take to the exterior styling. It's far too Q car for AMG, if you parked this next to a new 220 CDI with the AMG sports package I bet you'd struggle to tell the difference at a glance.
As much as I wanted to love the new 63, I just cant. I think what AMG have done with making the engine feel almost NA and keeping the sound undiluted and raw is nothing short of a mechanical wonder, I just can't take to the exterior styling. It's far too Q car for AMG, if you parked this next to a new 220 CDI with the AMG sports package I bet you'd struggle to tell the difference at a glance.
Zeegoff said:
I've got a pre facelift W204 saloon with the diff that I absolutely adore. I love how the older model C63's look (to my eyes at least) they're a lot more aggressive than the facelift with its big air intakes on the bumpers. Although the interior was a HUGE improvement to me the the exterior of the facelift seemed to loose a little something.
As much as I wanted to love the new 63, I just cant. I think what AMG have done with making the engine feel almost NA and keeping the sound undiluted and raw is nothing short of a mechanical wonder, I just can't take to the exterior styling. It's far too Q car for AMG, if you parked this next to a new 220 CDI with the AMG sports package I bet you'd struggle to tell the difference at a glance.
Agreed, but that subtlety can be seen as a good thing also. To me everything seems well measured though it would be better if the rear arches were flared a little.As much as I wanted to love the new 63, I just cant. I think what AMG have done with making the engine feel almost NA and keeping the sound undiluted and raw is nothing short of a mechanical wonder, I just can't take to the exterior styling. It's far too Q car for AMG, if you parked this next to a new 220 CDI with the AMG sports package I bet you'd struggle to tell the difference at a glance.
Wills2 said:
pegon said:
neil1jnr said:
The Merc is 120KG heavier, C63 saloon vs M4, I think the extra power and torque on the S model easily negates any weight disadvantage the Merc has.
I'd still take the M4 every time though.
You are wrong here, the equivalent to the C63 is the M3, and not as you suggest, the M4. And the weight difference is 60 kg.I'd still take the M4 every time though.
Not that it matters at all.
Plus, if you compare them in their respective lightest available formats the M3 is 120KG lighter than the C63 [1595vs1715]
And any weight saving does make a difference even ‘only’ 120kg or ‘only’ 80kg
Lift a 80kg or 120kg barbell at your local gym and you can see how much weight that really is.
Obviously some people don’t care about excess weight but personally I think lighter = better - even if it’s only 80/120kg. It helps the with handling, acceleration, breaking even fuel consumption etc. - basically everything.
Might not be a massive difference but every little helps …
It’s funny how people cry on about how heavy cars are getting and then when one is a bit lighter they say, oh you wouldn’t notice anyway, should have been 500kg lighter and so on - you can’t win :-)
I really like this car and I think the C-Class saloon is the perfect size.
An off topic comment: Pistonheads is my favorite automotive site. However, your images are still stuck at 750px × 562px size. That is really too small for the age of full HD screens being the norm. Can't we get 720p (1280x720) at least? After reading your article, I had to go elsewhere to get a good look.
Thank you.
An off topic comment: Pistonheads is my favorite automotive site. However, your images are still stuck at 750px × 562px size. That is really too small for the age of full HD screens being the norm. Can't we get 720p (1280x720) at least? After reading your article, I had to go elsewhere to get a good look.
Thank you.
I can see myself in a lovely C63s Coupe in 18m with the new full TFT dashboard - no more tacky Ipad
Merc are onto a winner here. Reviews are glowing. Only issue really is decisive looks of the saloon. Agreed needs wider rear arches but I think the coupe will look lovely if the the S63coupe is anything to go by.
Merc are onto a winner here. Reviews are glowing. Only issue really is decisive looks of the saloon. Agreed needs wider rear arches but I think the coupe will look lovely if the the S63coupe is anything to go by.
I'd agree with that apart from the odd exceptions such as the 300sel 6.3/450sel 6.9 (although they did denote the engine capacity on the back as well) it wasn't part of the nomenclature.
Merc needed to move away from denoting the capacity some time ago as they started to down size the engines.
Yes it's marketing in the same way that having 560sl marked that car out to everyone as being the biggest and best, merc still need to be able to have a model hierarchy and wouldn't want to put barriers in the way of the sale by appearing to be going backwards.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Merc needed to move away from denoting the capacity some time ago as they started to down size the engines.
Yes it's marketing in the same way that having 560sl marked that car out to everyone as being the biggest and best, merc still need to be able to have a model hierarchy and wouldn't want to put barriers in the way of the sale by appearing to be going backwards.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
craigjm said:
I bet that dashboard won't be in the coupe but will be next generation of C-class. I really can't see them pissing off so many early adopters by doing that
Only time will tell - take a lookhttp://www.worldcarfans.com/115012087571/mysteriou...
joedesi said:
I've seen that but less than two years after launch seems unlikely but who knows. Magazlnes and websites often get things wrong with spy pics. It may not even be being tested for C class application markwm said:
Some video of it driving around town
http://youtu.be/DYHYcvv2DzM
I'm all for understated but I think this is just too understated for me.
On the contrary, I think it's brilliant that it looks almost identical to a diesel C-class adorned with AMG body kit parts. The only giveaway is the burble when you squeeze the accelerator, and I love that.http://youtu.be/DYHYcvv2DzM
I'm all for understated but I think this is just too understated for me.
I've always been more of a BMW fan but the M-cars are getting increasingly shouty with their design language and the subtlety is lost. Not to mention piping fake engine noise through the speakers.
Although the sat nav in this C-class interior is particularly horrific.
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