Horrendous roadside litter - worse than ever before?
Discussion
sc0tt said:
What colour?
It was a beige one. Why when ever you see an abandoned mattress its always piss stained? people never throw away nice stuff.
It was on the news earlier this week about all the bags of s
t and the bottles of piss that was left behind in kent after operation stack. If no bins are supplied where are the truckers going to dump there crap?Saw an article recently about cuts in council budgets affecting litter collection.A spokesperson stated that their priorities now lay with the Governments push on CSE (child sexual exploitation) and street cleaning was almost a non-issue.
The council are now (trying) to rely on litter "champions" ie clean your own street...
The council are now (trying) to rely on litter "champions" ie clean your own street...
stevensdrs said:
You don't get litter problems in Singapore. Get caught dropping litter there and you face jail and a good flogging. The problem is getting worse here because no one gives a fk anymore.
Yes, and for that reason alone I'd much rather live in the UK. If you like Singapore so much, why not move? I hear the tax rates are low. Saudi Arabia might be nice, too. Lots of sun k anymore.
For my part, I'm unconvinced. There's much less litter about, generally, than there was when I was a child. Perhaps there are localized piles of muck, but in the main the streets seem cleaner. Until the PC do-gooders got into power, you couldn't hardly move without stepping in dog turds and/or piles of discarded cigarette butts. And moving on from my childhood, to when I was a youth - we'd just let our dog s
t on the street, and my friends and I would compete to see who could flick our fag butts furthest. Then just leave them there, where they landed. (After all, they'll burn down to just the filter, right?) That was just what you did back then.Strange to think of my youth as "back then", when it was only 20 years ago, but... there you go. It must have been a different time, as things do seem a lot cleaner now. And I won't argue with anybody's attempt to keep it that way - just don't ever forget how f
king dirty things were in the past.Edited by to3m on Friday 27th February 23:59
belleair302 said:
Time to get those in prison picking up litter to earn their keep
I think it's an ideal job for the long-term unemployed to do to earn their benefits but you'll always get someone along to say, "But you're doing someone out of a job", despite the fact that it's clear nobody is doing it now.eliot said:
I think much if it comes out of those massive open topped artic trailers that are used for ferrying plastic recycling around the country.
Agree with this one. Also a lot of waste trucks with general rubbish that travel the motorway with now netting on top. Amazing the amount of rubbish that flows out and onto the roads from them.I agree it's worse than ever but then people are scummier than ever.
I expect litter collection is another area where councils are cutting back.
I've always thought it's an ideal activity (along with graffiti removal and sorting waste at the dump) for community service participants. However, where have they all gone? Can't remember when I last saw a work party.
I expect litter collection is another area where councils are cutting back.
I've always thought it's an ideal activity (along with graffiti removal and sorting waste at the dump) for community service participants. However, where have they all gone? Can't remember when I last saw a work party.
9mm said:
I agree it's worse than ever but then people are scummier than ever.
I expect litter collection is another area where councils are cutting back.
I've always thought it's an ideal activity (along with graffiti removal and sorting waste at the dump) for community service participants. However, where have they all gone? Can't remember when I last saw a work party.
I think people do still get community service but it is perhaps not enforced as heavily as it should be..... we have revolving door "slap on the wrist" justice after all. If somebody is given 300 hrs community service and doesn't show up you can bet the punishment will be more community service (that they wont show up for...). I expect litter collection is another area where councils are cutting back.
I've always thought it's an ideal activity (along with graffiti removal and sorting waste at the dump) for community service participants. However, where have they all gone? Can't remember when I last saw a work party.
Councils are cutting back on trivial jobs like street cleaning without a doubt.... they need the money to fund their diversity and inclusivity customer experience enhancement consultant jobs.
Councils can't be expected affordably to collect every bit of litter ;but I would certainly like to see some headline big fines on the idiots who do litter as a disincentive for others. I live in the country on near deserted lanes but the litter is still a problem. Energy drinks and takeaway debris in the main - and I assume dropped by locals. The worst ones are the wkers who walk their dogs in our local forest and pick up their dog crap in bags and, not finding a bin(surprise! It's the countryside not a park ) , hang it on trees. I am not bothered if their dogs st in the woods- like the rabbits , deer, foxes and badgers- but do they realise their little plastic bags will be here in a decade but the crap would have broken down in a few days?
kers who walk their dogs in our local forest and pick up their dog crap in bags and, not finding a bin(surprise! It's the countryside not a park ) , hang it on trees. I am not bothered if their dogs st in the woods- like the rabbits , deer, foxes and badgers- but do they realise their little plastic bags will be here in a decade but the crap would have broken down in a few days? What kind of person genuinely just throws stuff on the floor, out of the car window or whatever? What are they thinking?
I saw a young lad yesterday throwing the wrapper off his Gregg's pasty out of the window of his corsa. On the motorway last week I was behind a van, sign written with an "environmental" company that install insulation. Driver released a sandwich wrapper, crisp packet and some other packaging out of the window on the M1 in queuing traffic. I couldn't believe it! Nearly called the number on his van to report his behaviour, but my bluetooth wasn't connected up.
Amazing.
I saw a young lad yesterday throwing the wrapper off his Gregg's pasty out of the window of his corsa. On the motorway last week I was behind a van, sign written with an "environmental" company that install insulation. Driver released a sandwich wrapper, crisp packet and some other packaging out of the window on the M1 in queuing traffic. I couldn't believe it! Nearly called the number on his van to report his behaviour, but my bluetooth wasn't connected up.
Amazing.
You should see the railway line I work on from Knighton (just south of Leicester) to Coalville - the areas around every single road bridge and the now vacated 'travellers commune' are tainted with everything you can think of that can be thrown out of a car / van window or over the fence, it's disgusting to behold. Food / drink cans / leftovers aside I've come across scooters, lawnmowers, bikes, wheelie bins, trampolenes, fridges, washing machines, lorry tyres, the lot!
Saw a plumber from a well known company toss an empty pack of B&H out of his van one afternoon going over Wandsworth Bridge so I called the number on the back and was answered by a helpful young woman who took his reg number.
At the next set of lights I pulled up next to him and saw him ending a call on his hands free looking pissed off. He looked over and asked was it me. I was in a convertible so I answered yes and he called me a fking tosser. Don't chuck litter out of your van then, I replied. Lights turned green and off I went.
A Very satisfying little exchange. Next time hopefully he'll think twice.
At the next set of lights I pulled up next to him and saw him ending a call on his hands free looking pissed off. He looked over and asked was it me. I was in a convertible so I answered yes and he called me a f
king tosser. Don't chuck litter out of your van then, I replied. Lights turned green and off I went. A Very satisfying little exchange. Next time hopefully he'll think twice.
Some points
H&S: I've seen crews litter picking on dual carriageways. 3 vehicles at stages distances to warn drivers. Two people litter picking. So that's 3 vehicles, min of 5 people, what's the cost of that?
Our local tip is now closed Thursdays and Fridays. Why?
Sometimes councils make it difficult. Someone I know had asbestos garage rood sheets. Licensed firms wanted £1,100 to remove and take away. Nearest council tip wouldn't accept it, council tip 40 odd miles away would but he had to pay £200 odd. He just went for a drive one evening.
Not thinking people just toss from window.
McDonalds leased the Little Chef site on the A31 on the edge of the New Forest. Huge permission issues as there are reports out there that clearly state that when a new McDonalds opens then it also creates a major litter problems within a three mile radius.
I don't know what the solution is but the government do need to find one.
H&S: I've seen crews litter picking on dual carriageways. 3 vehicles at stages distances to warn drivers. Two people litter picking. So that's 3 vehicles, min of 5 people, what's the cost of that?
Our local tip is now closed Thursdays and Fridays. Why?
Sometimes councils make it difficult. Someone I know had asbestos garage rood sheets. Licensed firms wanted £1,100 to remove and take away. Nearest council tip wouldn't accept it, council tip 40 odd miles away would but he had to pay £200 odd. He just went for a drive one evening.
Not thinking people just toss from window.
McDonalds leased the Little Chef site on the A31 on the edge of the New Forest. Huge permission issues as there are reports out there that clearly state that when a new McDonalds opens then it also creates a major litter problems within a three mile radius.
I don't know what the solution is but the government do need to find one.
Free bulky waste collections may help, but a lot of fly tipping is black economy workers doing clearances who don't have permits to dispose of waste, and don't want to pay fees in order that their cash price remains competitive.
The council I work for issues fpn's for street litter but they are universally hated, and a local rag invariably picks up their sob story, followed by numerous"council gestapo" threads on certain hobbyist web forums.
But there is a large section of society that just don't seem to care they are creating a sthole to live in.
Maybe its always been in society? But we just have more consumerist junk now ( ie in 1950s, would a poor family have thrown furniture away? People had open fires to burn household , and there wasn't the plastic packaging around)
I would be wary about throwing litter back - a guy was stabbed to death a couple of years ago in south London over an altercation about something being thrown into a car window.
If we ever introduce a license system to have children, I would make one of the questions is "will you teach your offspring what a bin is for?"
Ian
The council I work for issues fpn's for street litter but they are universally hated, and a local rag invariably picks up their sob story, followed by numerous"council gestapo" threads on certain hobbyist web forums.
But there is a large section of society that just don't seem to care they are creating a s
thole to live in.Maybe its always been in society? But we just have more consumerist junk now ( ie in 1950s, would a poor family have thrown furniture away? People had open fires to burn household , and there wasn't the plastic packaging around)
I would be wary about throwing litter back - a guy was stabbed to death a couple of years ago in south London over an altercation about something being thrown into a car window.
If we ever introduce a license system to have children, I would make one of the questions is "will you teach your offspring what a bin is for?"
Ian
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