RE: Honda - Geneva 2015
Discussion
allergictocheese said:
Gearboxes on high revving Hondas have always been a weak point. This car won't be revving so high, so it'll be interesting to see whether issues appear. Well, when I say interesting. I mean I don't really care!
You must have driven a dog then, as any high revving Type R I have driven (DC2, EK9, FD2 aka the actually nice to drive JDM version of the FN2) had great gearboxes. Nice and short throw with a proper mechanical feel. Edited by Mini 360 on Tuesday 3rd March 09:25
Mini 360 said:
You must have driven a dog then, as any high revving Type R I have driven (DC2, EK9) had great gearboxes. Nice and short throw with a proper mechanical feel.
The shift in the DC2 and EK9 have a noticeably better feel than in the EP2/FN2 due to the use of shifter cables in the latter as opposed to rods. I always thought the shift was excellent in the EP3, far better than one would expect for a car at that pricepoint.vz-r_dave said:
SPD14 said:
I think they'll struggle to sell in these days of sub-5 second hatches, although i'm sure the hardcore Honda fans will lap them up. Also, IMHO it looks pretty damn ugly.
Each to their own and all that!
Yeah because everyone buys a hot hatch for it's 0-60 and not because of the driving dynamics/feel...... Each to their own and all that!
As mentioned earlier black would make it look smaller and blend in some of the more in your face design elements. The wheel arches don't look very expensive, to put it mildly.
I think in black or dark blue it would look ok in the flesh. Interestingly the last Focus RS was pretty in your face and the new one more toned down.
I like the way the interior carries on the R tradition.
I think in black or dark blue it would look ok in the flesh. Interestingly the last Focus RS was pretty in your face and the new one more toned down.
I like the way the interior carries on the R tradition.
Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd March 09:40
SPD14 said:
I wasn't saying everyone bases their decision purely on the 0-60 time, but I don't think such a relatively slow time will help sales, especially considering that's it's got 310bhp.
5.7 seconds to 60 is still pretty damn good in a FWD car on road tyres. Doesn't matter how much power its got, front wheel drive will always be grip limited from a dig (having had various tuned and turbo'd FWD cars cracking 6 seconds is pretty good regardless of power).
What you should be interested in are the 15mph roll on times, and 30-50, 50-70, 80-100 etc times, which in real life are more relevant, unless of course, you live your life 1/4 mile at a time.
Hmm well it's not a looker but as already stated the standard car is ugly as sin so no surprises there,
Why oh why oh why the red seats
Hopefully for honda it's gonna smash the ring time by a fair amount otherwise it has been 4 years of yawn and yawn
And won't really be the car they have been telling us for a few years is going to be a "new thing "
Why oh why oh why the red seats
Hopefully for honda it's gonna smash the ring time by a fair amount otherwise it has been 4 years of yawn and yawn
And won't really be the car they have been telling us for a few years is going to be a "new thing "
themanwithnoname said:
5.7 seconds to 60 is still pretty damn good in a FWD car on road tyres.
Doesn't matter how much power its got, front wheel drive will always be grip limited from a dig (having had various tuned and turbo'd FWD cars cracking 6 seconds is pretty good regardless of power).
What you should be interested in are the 15mph roll on times, and 30-50, 50-70, 80-100 etc times, which in real life are more relevant, unless of course, you live your life 1/4 mile at a time.
This. People who obsess about 0-60 times, especially for a FWD car, are showing their ignorance. Doesn't matter how much power its got, front wheel drive will always be grip limited from a dig (having had various tuned and turbo'd FWD cars cracking 6 seconds is pretty good regardless of power).
What you should be interested in are the 15mph roll on times, and 30-50, 50-70, 80-100 etc times, which in real life are more relevant, unless of course, you live your life 1/4 mile at a time.
macky17 said:
Will look much better in black. The vital piece of information missing:how heavy is it? Under 1400kg and this could be special.
Only if they do a silver wheel option. That black lower bodykit is there to disguise the sheer bulk of the thing. Black body, back bodykit and black wheels could be a mess!!kambites said:
macky17 said:
This. People who obsess about 0-60 times, especially for a FWD car, are showing their ignorance.
That doesn't mean they're not right about how the market will view it, though. I can not wait for the road tests because on anything other than dry smooth roads a high powered turbo charged fwd car shows it's traction limitations very quickly.
An RS will destroy it.
P.S. I drive a turbocharged FWD hatch!
I think it looks good. Its abit brash like the mk2 focus was when that came out but i think it will soften with age. The market is flooded with boring looking hatches, so maybe there is a market for something alittle bolder.
Personally i think its alittle sad if you rule out the car purely because it doesnt come with the lights shown in the concept. I hate the quad pipes on the Golf R but it wouldnt stop me buying one.
The 0-60 time is pretty good considering the RS did it in 5.9 and the RS500 with 345bhp did it in 5.6, so its comparable at least.
Red seats have always been pretty standard in Type Rs s, so nothing new there. And regardless of what has already been said, Honda gearboxes have one of the best shift feels at this price point. S2k for example?
Two major complaints of old type r's where the peaky power delivery, now turbo... and the harsh ride... now adaptive dampers. Potentially this could still work out the best fwd hot hatch available, and I am looking forwrd to the reviews.
Personally i think its alittle sad if you rule out the car purely because it doesnt come with the lights shown in the concept. I hate the quad pipes on the Golf R but it wouldnt stop me buying one.
The 0-60 time is pretty good considering the RS did it in 5.9 and the RS500 with 345bhp did it in 5.6, so its comparable at least.
Red seats have always been pretty standard in Type Rs s, so nothing new there. And regardless of what has already been said, Honda gearboxes have one of the best shift feels at this price point. S2k for example?
Two major complaints of old type r's where the peaky power delivery, now turbo... and the harsh ride... now adaptive dampers. Potentially this could still work out the best fwd hot hatch available, and I am looking forwrd to the reviews.
Not for me I'm afraid. I'm sure it will be hugely fast, handle brilliantly and be superbly engineered.
But it looks a mess and I just feel that the hottest hatches have gone beyond their sweet spot in terms of price / performance.
Warm hatches (with say 180-200 bhp), with a decent chassis and an affordable price tag are far more appealing to me and more usable in the real world.
But it looks a mess and I just feel that the hottest hatches have gone beyond their sweet spot in terms of price / performance.
Warm hatches (with say 180-200 bhp), with a decent chassis and an affordable price tag are far more appealing to me and more usable in the real world.
The Article said:
Clever turbo technology is promised to allow plentiful low-end torque (295lb ft is delivered at 2,500rpm)
I know it goes on to say "as well as sustained acceleration throughout the rev range" but this worries me. The joy of driving the previous generations of type Rs was their fantastic ability to rev and build power high up the rev range. If this version is delivering loads of low end grunt surely it won't feel or drive any different to the current crop of hot hatches from the VAG stable.Looks are subjective - personally I like them. It isn't as good or dramatic as the concept, but what car ever is?
Ecosseven said:
the hottest hatches have gone beyond their sweet spot in terms of price / performance.
Warm hatches (with say 180-200 bhp), with a decent chassis and an affordable price tag are far more appealing to me and more usable in the real world.
I was thinking that earlier, had a Fiesta ST with Mountune the other day and apart from its size its spot on. Warm hatches (with say 180-200 bhp), with a decent chassis and an affordable price tag are far more appealing to me and more usable in the real world.
All the latest hot hatches are pretty much 5 door and appeal to middle aged men with 1.5 kids.
The rear lighs not making the cut is a bit gutting, and I'd have to see those rear arches in the flesh to make a final decision on them, but overall, I like it. My leased Volvo has gone back and my personal mileage had collapsed so f
k it - I may just have one if they aren't ludicrously priced and it's a good steer.
Hopefully more info on pricing tomorrow and demonstrators/availability soon!!
k it - I may just have one if they aren't ludicrously priced and it's a good steer.Hopefully more info on pricing tomorrow and demonstrators/availability soon!!
Bradley1500 said:
If this version is delivering loads of low end grunt surely it won't feel or drive any different to the current crop of hot hatches from the VAG stable.
All those VAGs are selling too.I think its pretty standard for hot hatches to have a large power band. It would still however be nice for the engine to have some character.
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