RE: Clio Renaultsport 220 Trophy - Exclusive!

RE: Clio Renaultsport 220 Trophy - Exclusive!

Thursday 5th March 2015

Clio Renaultsport 220 Trophy - Exclusive!

PH gets the inside line on the (hopefully) much improved Clio from the boss of Renaultsport



Ten years ago, in an anonymous glass and steel shed on a forgettable industrial estate on the edge of Paris, a little red hatchback was born that captured the hearts and minds of a generation. It wore pert grey Speedline Turini wheels, hip-hugging Recaro seats, and tucked up inside the hem of its front wings were motorsport-derived remote reservoir Sachs dampers. It was like nothing the hot hatch market had ever seen - a tarmac rally car that could dogfight supercars down a B-road with a boot full of shopping. We're talking, of course, about the Clio 182 Trophy.

Ride height 20mm lower at front, 10mm behind
Ride height 20mm lower at front, 10mm behind
A decade later, we're being ushered into that same characterless unit to witness to the birth of a new Clio Trophy. It's fair to say, expectations are high. But, before the big reveal, Renaultsport management is keen to set the record straight about the current Clio 200 EDC. "We believe Clio 4 (RS) is a success; it is the car we wanted to do", explains Regis Fricotte, Sales and Marketing Director, unapologetically. "Clio 3 (RS) was a race car for everyday. With Clio 4 (RS) we wanted to provide a comfortable car for everyday race". As a sales strategy it has worked, driving growth in markets such as Australia and Japan, while maintaining similar volume across Europe. In fact, you may be surprised to learn, as we were, that Renaultsport has sold 10 per cent more Clio 4 RS models than Clio 3, across a similar time frame.

Nevertheless, Fricotte admits, there are some elements of the current Clio 200 that could be improved, particularly for the customer looking for something more dynamic, more radical. That car is the new Clio Trophy, and there's one parked in the workshop next door, finished in special edition Frost White matt paint with contrasting black roof and spoiler.

First impressions are positive. Although the flat, slightly sparkly, finish won't be to everyone's taste, changes to the ride height have created a far more aggressive stance, and the gloss black roof and spoiler help to trim height from the slab-sided profile. Visible through the windscreen, and echoing the front 'blade', are a pair of new seats with integrated headrests, while Trophy decals adorn the side skirts, front blade and numbered sill plates (even though numbers are not actually limited). There are further subtle tweaks to the interior trim and new diamond-effect facings for the 18-inch Radical wheels, but as a styling job it manages to differentiate itself from the standard car, yet remain reasonably restrained.

Faster and more efficient - win!
Faster and more efficient - win!
If you were expecting the new Clio Trophy to - like its predecessor - prickle with trick, bespoke parts, you may be disappointed. This is, for the most part, a recalibration job. Yes, there are new components, but none of them are stamped with Sachs, Ohlins, Recaro or Brembo. Instead, this is a fettle here, a tune there, a new bit of code for this and some updated software for that. The problem is such talk immediately undersells the work that has been done. It's only when we get to drill down into the details, with the individual engineers involved, that the full scope of the transformation is revealed.

When the 1.6 turbo motor first arrived in a crate from Nissan, bound for the engine bay of the Clio 4 RS, the Renaultsport engineers had just enough time to make it fit. The opportunity to extract more power has only come recently. On the inlet side, restrictive pipes have been replaced with enlarged diameter items for better airflow. A new, larger, turbo, has been fitted that works at higher pressures (1.03bar up from 0.96bar), along with a revised exhaust system, bigger flexi pipe and a new Euro6 compliant catalyst. The result is an extra 20hp, just over half of which derives from the larger turbocharger. And, as an added bonus, CO2 emissions are reduced, allowing the Trophy to drop down a VED band.

Gearbox tweaks have halved shift time
Gearbox tweaks have halved shift time
Praise be; alongside these engine revisions, the Getrag EDC gearbox has undergone substantial recalibration work. Frequently the most infuriating and disappointing aspect of the standard Clio 200, engineers have tuned the software on the Trophy to deliver, what they promise to be, a far more connected experience. The system now reacts much faster to inputs from the driver, with response times halved in the most extreme RS mode (Race). And, although the fixed position paddles are identical, their throw has been reduced by 30 per cent.

If you've driven a Clio 200 EDC before, consider this: in normal mode, the Trophy delivers new ratios as fast as the current car can engage them in Race mode. According to the engineers, it's enough to transform the performance, and produce shifts that are now so fast your brain doesn't register the delay. Even in full auto mode, the 'box promises improved driveability, and no longer will it stubbornly refuse to shift up between second and third under constant throttle openings. All of which - if we ignore the fact that the EDC gearbox carries a 30-40kg weight penalty - is music to our ears.

The Trophy now revs higher too, which should help reduce the frequency with which owners bang their heads into the limiter when on track. It's now 6,800 (from 6,500) in the first three gears, a change that also permits greater flexibility on downshifts. Within the relative safety of fourth and fifth gears, you also get the benefit of something Renaultsport is calling Torque boost, whereby the electronics bequeath you the full 206lb ft on offer, 14lb ft more than in the lower gears.

Paddles have a shorter travel too
Paddles have a shorter travel too
So, more power, more torque, but no Perfohub offset steering axis front suspension; won't torque steer be a problem? Not according to ride and handling engineer Terry Baillon. Nor does he see the need for a mechanical limited slip differential, even if his professional curiosity is peaked whenever the subject of the so-equipped 208 GTI 30th is brought up. One arrives for evaluation in two weeks, we learn.

Baillon then pulls a blinder, picking up a file of road test printouts from the table - one from each of the assembled publications. Schadenfreude, or whatever the French equivalent is, fills the room. But Baillon does not simply want to see us squirm; he acknowledges the value of these reviews, and - with the caveat that the Clio 200 is purely a product of its design brief - a general alignment with their sentiment.

To appeal to the purist European customer, and answer the critics, Baillon was charged with giving the chassis a sharper, more track-focused bias and, to this end, the revisions he has made are comprehensive. The ride height has been lowered 20mm at the front and 10mm at the rear, which is a huge amount when you consider the current Cup chassis drops only 3mm. Front spring rates have remained unchanged but the rears have been raised by 40 per cent. Stiffer, longer, bump stops have been introduced all round, still operating in conjunction with the excellent hydraulic system that's incorporated within the retuned dampers. He has also added a faster steering rack, reducing the ratio by 10 per cent.

The Fiesta and 208 are ready...
The Fiesta and 208 are ready...
In unison with the new Michelin Pilot Super Sport tyres, body roll and understeer are down five per cent over the current Cup chassis, grip and cornering speeds are up, steering response is up eight per cent and the car is more inclined to oversteer. "The difference is huge", Baillon says. "It's more like a Megane RS", he reveals "and if we can talk about our competitors, it's close to the Fiesta ST. That, for us, was some kind of target".

The inevitable question follows; what does that mean in terms of lap time? An impressive three seconds faster over a 1:47 lap comes the emphatic reply.

Due to go on sale in the UK from June - for an as yet undisclosed premium - on paper at least, the Clio Renaultsport Trophy 220 EDC answers all the criticisms levelled at the standard car. Arguably, the Trophy - perhaps without the power upgrade - represents the car the 200 Cup should have been from the start, but either way, it's a considerable step in the right direction. Let's hope it delivers on those promises when we drive the car some time in May.





   

 

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KMB

Original Poster:

254 posts

222 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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It's getting better, not sure on the Fiesta ST comment, seems like Renault are admitting they took their eye off the hot hatch ball...

JDMDrifter

4,039 posts

164 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Hoping this will put the RS Clio back on the map!

matpilch

246 posts

139 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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these wheels are pig ugly

Repent

358 posts

172 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Its obviously what the market wants but it hardly looks the part does it? It just looks like a mid range model with a lot of boxes ticked for a lucky daughters first car or something, nothing about that gives off it's harder edge to me and the wheels are just bling. They can do it, they stick bits on the hot Megane's that reflect their ethos. These look st.



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Edited by Repent on Tuesday 3rd March 11:23

loose cannon

6,029 posts

240 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Sounds like somebody still trying to justify they got it right to me !
I wouldn't ever buy one with that gearbox Let alone it's a 4 door and lacks anything like recaros etc that they obviously don't want to pay out under warranty for fat people ruining them,
It does not inspire confidence for any new renaultsports ala Megane 4

loose cannon

6,029 posts

240 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Also those wheels are not new are they ? There just diamond cut which I think is naff and lasts about 3 weeks untill the laquer starts peeling away

kayzee

2,781 posts

180 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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"We believe Clio 4 (RS) is a success"

Actually lol'd at this... where are they then? I've still not seen one irl, whereas I see 6-7 Fiesta ST's every day. I've even see a few 208 GTi's which actually look pretty good imo!

Well done for getting sales, but at what cost? The majority of ClioSport is against this model and they should be your core (and loyal) customers.

loose cannon

6,029 posts

240 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Does it sell lots in other country's ?
Or do they just not care because as a normal hatchback it has sold quite well which to be honest
When it boils down to it they only care about overall clio 4 success which is fair enough
But ignore your loyal Rs fans at your peril which no dought you will as ever
If the next Megane Rs doesn't have a manual box I won't be buying one let alone anything else to do with it
Imagine the horror of a 6 grand used clio 200 t then the box dies yikes it's scrap

matt1269

598 posts

173 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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loose cannon said:
Does it sell lots in other country's ?
Read the article. Sold more than the 200.

loose cannon

6,029 posts

240 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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not true though is it ? The 200 was not sold in the same markets load of old tosh

ManOpener

12,467 posts

168 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Those wheels are gopping, but I can't help thinking that both this and the 200 Turbo are actually quite good looking cars.

dukebox9reg

1,570 posts

147 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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In the bottom 4 pics the top right looks like a Kia Cee'd.

Well the 200T sells more than the 200. Well that's interesting.

joe1145

198 posts

120 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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"Torque boost, whereby the electronics bequeath you the full 206lb ft on offer, 14lb ft more than in the lower gears."

marketing at it's finest. Instead of it being a torque reduction in the lower gears, its a torque increase in the higher gears.

basically it has a torque limiter in the lower gears

Digitalize

2,850 posts

134 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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So they've admitted it's still not as good as the Fiesta ST? Despite being the sporty version of a hot hatch?

soad

32,829 posts

175 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Repent said:
Its obviously what the market wants but it hardly looks the part does it? It just looks like a mid range model with a lot of boxes ticked for a lucky daughters first car or something, nothing about that gives off it's harder edge to me and the wheels are just bling. They can do it, they stick bits on the hot Megane's that reflect their ethos. These look st.



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Edited by Repent on Tuesday 3rd March 11:23
I know which one I'd prefer. But manufacturers have to move on with the times. No one is forcing you to buy the latest offering.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

127 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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When I started reading the article it did sound like cosmetic job and my heart sank. But actually if they have made the auto respond more quickly and have made it more "rapier" like in the handling this could be a bit of a hidden gem. Will have to wait for road tests. It was a nearly car before, also the old NA 200 was fresh in memory also. Time heals.

I quite like the fact it's got Supersports on, proper tyre for a 5 door hatchback. I quite like the 5 doors as well, it is useful at times even though adds weight. It's still fat looking, black once again will help, ditch the wheels for some lightweight OZ and use black duct tape on that huge front badge wink

Even I can add a bit of magic to this sows ear. Will keep my eye on this and hope it is the silk purse.


Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd March 12:42

Baryonyx

17,990 posts

158 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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It still looks absolutely dreadful, and the fact that such massive revisions could be made to things like ride height and shift time just shows how wrong Renault got the first model.

Repent

358 posts

172 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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soad said:
I know which one I'd prefer. But manufacturers have to move on with the times. No one is forcing you to buy the latest offering.
Very true, and as I said it's clearly what the market wants. I'm not in the market for a new one of these and never will be, I can't knock their product placement but I guess I'm being an idealist and mourning the fact that this honed version no longer talks the talk. As an enthusiast these are the things that are nice to witness now and in the future, its part of what makes them special.

It's a bit like BMW releasing an F30 CSL and adorning it with the standard M Sport stuff and some diamond cut 19's. The looks just dont match the ethos.

GTEYE

2,092 posts

209 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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Perhaps just me, but it looks to be a big improvement on the existing 200.

Time unfortunately does move on, and R-S do have to move with it. Looks to have addressed some of the major issues, and the looks are starting to grow on me as well.

MikeDo

81 posts

117 months

Tuesday 3rd March 2015
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I think it looks OK to me. But then again I do already own the stock RS Clio EDC and that's not a bad car if you give it a chance, The chassis set-up especially is pretty much spot on. Be interested to see if the engine/gearbox re-maps get offered at some point to owners of existing cars.

As to sales. Don't think Renault care too much about the UK market. Sells very well in the home market (IE. France) and it's second largest RS market (IE. Australia). In Australia last year, it out sold the RS Megane for the first time ever. Lets be honest here though, Renault has only ever sold 100's of RS cars, rather then the 1,000's. And could never compete with that gargantuan that Ford is (over 10k ST's in the first year alone).

I think some folks just need to accept that Renault is now targeting a different market with the RS Clio and if you don't like it... buy something else. Plenty of choice out there.

Tried a new model Fiesta ST myself and decided that it wasn't the car for me. Low speed ride quality being my main complaint. Not knocking the car, it's a great little motor and I'm sure many will like and buy one. That's what choice is about.

Be VERY interested to read a "proper" review of the new RS Clio Trophy myself.

Enjoy...