RE: Porsche - Geneva 2015

[DeolTheBeast]

On paper does not seem to show as much progress as 996 --> 997.

Probably a great car, probably more refined than ever before at cruising speed. Yet I really don't care and would take a 4.0 997 over this in an instant. End of an era as some seem to have been saying in the comments here.

[thegreenhell]

I'm glad that it's not covered in gaudy graphics. That's one thing I really don't like about the 997.2 RS (3.8 and 4.0).

[bobberz]

thegreenhell said:

I'm glad that it's not covered in gaudy graphics. That's one thing I really don't like about the 997.2 RS (3.8 and 4.0).

The 1/4 panel vents and dinner table wing are enough to distinguish it. Too bad there's no manual option. I still don't get why America seems to be the last bastion of the manual transmission, even though we were the ones who really adopted the automatic. It just doesn't compute, for me. All of the classic sports cars came from the UK, Italy, and Germany, yet they've all seemed to have given up on the manual. Meanwhile, most American performance cars are only available with three pedals, like the Viper and Shelby Mustangs.

To me, the 991 is the best looking generation since the 993. I'd be happy with the stunning Targa and a manual transmission. I believe this is also the first time the Targa has looked better than the standard 911.

Granted, I'd still much rather have a 356B coupe than any 911, but that's another story.

[MrML]

Why all the matt black plastic? (Vents, splitter, intake) looks a bit cheap in the pics? I guess looks are less relevant to a track biased car but it's got no class...

[Davey S2]

There was a small gap between the 997.1 GT3 and RS (a whopping 4 seconds round the 'Ring at the hand of Herr Rohrl - so in reality no difference at all for the mortal drivers).

They tried to widen the gap between the 2 models with the 997.2 but this one seems to have reverted to the original. Performance gains will be down to a very, very skilled driver who can exploit the benefits of the wider track and tyre performance.

For the money I'd rather a manual 997.2 GT3 and a fast Caterham for the track.

[WCZ]

jamespink said:

Que? Just don't get what is underwhelming about that car... it's immense...

10kg weight reduction, bit bigger body and some more power meh
was expecting it to be absolutely bonkers

[WCZ]

BlackPrince said:

I used to see an orange 997.1 RS on my daily scooter commute into the city centre, and whenever there was an open area, the owner would open the taps and scream by. Was the only 911 I've ever seen been driven even slightly enthusiastically. That 997.1 RS in orange with std factory graphics became my dream car. This one i'm lukewarm about for some reason. Not sure whether its the electric steering, the lack of graphics, the "mere" 50hp increase since the 997.2 or the 100hp deficit compared w/ the 458S , but it doesn't give me that 'fizz'.

Curious what is actually fashionable for tweenies to wear? I thought jeans and pumps with no socks were still in fashion but then i'm an oldie with no fashion sense at all

used to see a 997.1 RS almost every day, funnily enough when the prices rocketed he stopped using it and now drives an E class!

[Claudia Skies]

thegreenhell said:

I'm glad that it's not covered in gaudy graphics. That's one thing I really don't like about the 997.2 RS (3.8 and 4.0).

Not 100% sure, but I think there's a no-cost option to "delete gaudy graphics"!

[GTEYE]

goodhand said:

GTEYE said:

Needs some graphics IMHO to stand out from the "normal" GT3. Might be almost too subtle in a dark colour.

Take your pick...

I think I would go 996 Style (or really like the original RS 2.7).....white body, blue graphics, blue wheels, don't think they've ever really improved on that. IMHO anyway!

[MikeGalos]

Asterix said:

7 seconds faster than the previous RS over a distance of 28km.

Ummm, Wooooooooo!

Or, put another way. It's average speed at Nurbergring has gone up .6% (from 103.2MPH to 103.9MPH). Why that's practically enough to compensate for a difference in humidity that day.

(corrected calculation to 20.8km rather than 28)

Edited by MikeGalos on Wednesday 4th March 13:15

[Shaoxter]

MikeGalos said:

Asterix said:

7 seconds faster than the previous RS over a distance of 28km.

Ummm, Wooooooooo!

Or, put another way. It's average speed at Nurbergring has gone up 1.6% (from 140MPH to 142MPH). Why that's practically enough to compensate for a difference in humidity that day.

143mph average speed??
p.s. the Nordschleife is 20.8km long, not 28km. So average speed is more like 106mph.

[MikeGalos]

Shaoxter said:

MikeGalos said:

Asterix said:

7 seconds faster than the previous RS over a distance of 28km.

Ummm, Wooooooooo!

Or, put another way. It's average speed at Nurbergring has gone up 1.6% (from 140MPH to 142MPH). Why that's practically enough to compensate for a difference in humidity that day.

143mph average speed??
p.s. the Nordschleife is 20.8km long, not 28km. So average speed is more like 106mph.

Thanks. I'll go back and edit.

[twinturban]

Looks amazing but £30+k seems like a lot for 20bhp and 10kg weight reduction.

All that plus the lower rev limit make me think Porsche didn't hold back with regular GT3, nor leave much room for improvement.

Totally irrelevant with a 2 year waiting list but I'd be a bit disappointed with the spec if I had one on order.

[Debaser]

I think it looks great!

[JackP1]

Setting trends since.......oh, wait.

[jp-sr71]

And 12 secs slower than a Nismo GTR....

<Standing by for incoming>

[anniesdad]

The Sagaris wings didn't pass approval, but looks like Porsche have been able to do so by fitting some mesh in the arches.

Although Preuninger says you may want to remove them for a trackday, why I'm not so sure...