The 'cyclists should pay road tax' folks
Discussion
Devil2575 said:
scubadude said:
I said "road users" if you let your 5yr old cycle on the road that's up to you I guess... but I wouldn't.
Your daughter could wobble and cause a car to swerve and mow down a bus stop full of Mumsnet members- she needs 3rd party insurance if she rides on the road- end of.
A child could run into the road and cause a car to swerve into a group of fluffy kittens, should children and in fact all pedestrians have 3rd party insurance?Your daughter could wobble and cause a car to swerve and mow down a bus stop full of Mumsnet members- she needs 3rd party insurance if she rides on the road- end of.
Finlandia said:
heebeegeetee said:
Finlandia said:
They did, but at a much higher cost than if it had been automated, they have continued doing it though.
How do you work that out? 2. To be honest though, I kind of lost the interest after your Nazi reference to number plates, no meaning in continuing this anymore.
2. That's just a cop-out, because you keep repeatedly losing the argument.
ewenm said:
Devil2575 said:
scubadude said:
I said "road users" if you let your 5yr old cycle on the road that's up to you I guess... but I wouldn't.
Your daughter could wobble and cause a car to swerve and mow down a bus stop full of Mumsnet members- she needs 3rd party insurance if she rides on the road- end of.
A child could run into the road and cause a car to swerve into a group of fluffy kittens, should children and in fact all pedestrians have 3rd party insurance?Your daughter could wobble and cause a car to swerve and mow down a bus stop full of Mumsnet members- she needs 3rd party insurance if she rides on the road- end of.
Mave said:
Finlandia said:
Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it's right. Why would you be cycling at high speed on a narrow string of tarmac on a busy beach with hundreds of kids running around?
I'm not saying its right, I'm suggesting why there might be an outcry.Don't you think there might be an outcry if the police started issuing speeding fines for people doing 50mph on a wet, busy but still 70mph motorway?
If you are unable to judge your speed roughly to keep it at the posted 10mph limit, then maybe you should get a GPS speedo or an app for your mobile that shows your speed, or cycle elsewhere.
Finlandia said:
Mave said:
Finlandia said:
Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it's right. Why would you be cycling at high speed on a narrow string of tarmac on a busy beach with hundreds of kids running around?
I'm not saying its right, I'm suggesting why there might be an outcry.Don't you think there might be an outcry if the police started issuing speeding fines for people doing 50mph on a wet, busy but still 70mph motorway?
If you are unable to judge your speed roughly to keep it at the posted 10mph limit, then maybe you should get a GPS speedo or an app for your mobile that shows your speed, or cycle elsewhere.
Devil2575 said:
ewenm said:
Devil2575 said:
scubadude said:
I said "road users" if you let your 5yr old cycle on the road that's up to you I guess... but I wouldn't.
Your daughter could wobble and cause a car to swerve and mow down a bus stop full of Mumsnet members- she needs 3rd party insurance if she rides on the road- end of.
A child could run into the road and cause a car to swerve into a group of fluffy kittens, should children and in fact all pedestrians have 3rd party insurance?Your daughter could wobble and cause a car to swerve and mow down a bus stop full of Mumsnet members- she needs 3rd party insurance if she rides on the road- end of.
couldn't be bothered with the 1st 12 pages so:
go to china, bikes do appear to have registration plates.
but of course it doesn't work.
and thats a country where they have a population and political/military/police structure large enough to enforce such nonsense.
look at the state of motorists with their illegal parking and traffic fines ! where on earth would you start ?
go to china, bikes do appear to have registration plates.
but of course it doesn't work.
and thats a country where they have a population and political/military/police structure large enough to enforce such nonsense.
look at the state of motorists with their illegal parking and traffic fines ! where on earth would you start ?
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
No need, there is no speed limit for bicycles. We all just use common sense...
Clearly not all do, or there wouldn't have been the need for enforcement.
You're fat and jealous of how good we look in Lycra, aren't you tubs.
heebeegeetee said:
Finlandia said:
heebeegeetee said:
Finlandia said:
They did, but at a much higher cost than if it had been automated, they have continued doing it though.
How do you work that out? 2. To be honest though, I kind of lost the interest after your Nazi reference to number plates, no meaning in continuing this anymore.
2. That's just a cop-out, because you keep repeatedly losing the argument.
WinstonWolf said:
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
No need, there is no speed limit for bicycles. We all just use common sense...
Clearly not all do, or there wouldn't have been the need for enforcement.You're fat and jealous of how good we look in Lycra, aren't you tubs.
Tony33 said:
y main gripe is about having two sets of road users who appear to have different rulesets even if officially there is only one. We separate pedestrians who move in a very unstructured way and motorists who have a very structured set of rules. Cyclists fall somewhere in between and some seem to choose whether they behave like cars or pedestrians when it suits them.
Losing momentum on a bike requires physical effort to regain but the resulting approach tends to be that some cyclists are the least patient of road users, choosing to keep going even if it significantly increases risk.
Surely though blanket rules are less useful and less likely to be ignored than rules tailored to specifics. Losing momentum on a bike requires physical effort to regain but the resulting approach tends to be that some cyclists are the least patient of road users, choosing to keep going even if it significantly increases risk.
Regarding your second point... I still don't really understand <b>why</b> a lack of patience is a problem here. You mention an increase in 'risk', but we've been through the important and fundamental distinction in who accepts that risk when a bike runs a light vs a car (I appreciate there are scenarios where pedestrians are at very real risk- personally I'd propose allowing bikes through pedestrian crossings too but only at slow walking speed... once again).
Frankly I just don't see why it's a good idea to let cyclists get in front of all the cars at lights, then sit there waiting for them to go green. They accelerate away painfully slowly in a big peloton that's impossible to overtake only to get up to speed and then come back past you at the next set of lights, sit in front, wait for them to change and repeat. Personally I'd much rather they just carried on through and got ahead of me rather than buzzing around my car.
It also stops them all jostling for position off the lights... which is extremely irritating for a driver as it makes getting past impossible.
I appreciate I am speaking for London here. There are fewer cyclists in a lot of other cities.
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
No need, there is no speed limit for bicycles. We all just use common sense...
Clearly not all do, or there wouldn't have been the need for enforcement.You're fat and jealous of how good we look in Lycra, aren't you tubs.
WinstonWolf said:
How do you enforce a limit that doesn't apply
You're fat and jealous of how good we look in Lycra, aren't you tubs.
Nobody other than fit women look good in lycra. You're fat and jealous of how good we look in Lycra, aren't you tubs.
I ride a bike 30 miles a day and manage to do it without dressing like a ridiculous gayer.
edit to add: on reflection there have been occasions where I have dressed like a ridiculous gayer and ridden a bike, so I'll hold my hands upto that one. It wasn't lycra though
Edited by Motorrad on Wednesday 4th March 13:51
WinstonWolf said:
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
No need, there is no speed limit for bicycles. We all just use common sense...
Clearly not all do, or there wouldn't have been the need for enforcement.You're fat and jealous of how good we look in Lycra, aren't you tubs.
Motorrad said:
WinstonWolf said:
How do you enforce a limit that doesn't apply
You're fat and jealous of how good we look in Lycra, aren't you tubs.
Nobody other than fit women look good in lycra. You're fat and jealous of how good we look in Lycra, aren't you tubs.
I ride a bike 30 miles a day and manage to do it without dressing like a ridiculous gayer.
edit to add: on reflection there have been occasions where I have dressed like a ridiculous gayer and ridden a bike, so I'll hold my hands upto that one. It wasn't lycra though
Edited by Motorrad on Wednesday 4th March 13:51
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
No need, there is no speed limit for bicycles. We all just use common sense...
Clearly not all do, or there wouldn't have been the need for enforcement.You're fat and jealous of how good we look in Lycra, aren't you tubs.
Motorrad said:
Nobody other than fit women look good in lycra.
I ride a bike 30 miles a day and manage to do it without dressing like a ridiculous gayer.
I have some gay friends and they wouldn't dream of wearing lycra I ride a bike 30 miles a day and manage to do it without dressing like a ridiculous gayer.
I resisted Lycra for a long time but after a while I reaslised that from a practical point of view it was simply better. Padded cycling shorts work far better than anything else I have tried for a long ride.
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