The 'cyclists should pay road tax' folks

The 'cyclists should pay road tax' folks

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Mr Gear

9,416 posts

189 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Johnnytheboy said:
In my experience, people who wear or carry activity-specific clothing or equipment seem to be the ones who don't look very happy about the activity they are performing, be it cycling, jogging, country walking, whatever.

Your comment explains this!
I LOVE cycling! The fact that it irritates idiots when I'm doing it is merely a bonus.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

187 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Johnnytheboy said:
In my experience, people who wear or carry activity-specific clothing or equipment seem to be the ones who don't look very happy about the activity they are performing, be it cycling, jogging, country walking, whatever.

Your comment explains this!
This is just silly. In your experience? So anecdotal evidence then and worth precisely fk all biggrin

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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It's probably a fair observation that people who take whatever they are doing a bit too seriously are more likely to buy all the kit, but it doesn't follow that all the kit = miserable git.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Mr Gear said:
Johnnytheboy said:
In my experience, people who wear or carry activity-specific clothing or equipment seem to be the ones who don't look very happy about the activity they are performing, be it cycling, jogging, country walking, whatever.

Your comment explains this!
I LOVE cycling! The fact that it irritates idiots when I'm doing it is merely a bonus.
I didn't say you don't like it, just that some of you don't look like you like it.

But as I also say this seems to be a feature of any hobby activity that can be done in special clothing.

I think maybe it's a serious face rather than a grumpy face.

scubadude

2,618 posts

196 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Motorrad said:
I find a decent saddle (not some razor sharp item designed for a road bike) makes all the difference.
I challenge you to find a saddle that can be ridden for 100+miles without close fitting shorts that doesn't reduce the riders "underparts" to raw meat.

If you ride with a 10" wide gym spec seat you are clearly not "cycling" but using a push-bike to get to the pub... nothing wrong with that but its not cycling in the typical sense.

Bicycle saddles didn't magically become the shape they are, a century of trial and error and millions of $ of research has got them to where they are and they all work best with minimal and tight clothing- much like motor bicyclists prefer thick and protective clothing that makes them look a bit like the Bomb squad when they are in Tesco's but sensible when riding cyclists wearing lycra on a bike look (IMVHO) like cyclists, yes you would look daft in Homebase but you go home and get changed and take the Jag when buying paint don't you? :-)

If you choose to cycle a fair amount you would eventually gravitate to comfortable, breathable, lightweight, aerodynamic, easily washable and suitably padded clothing- lo and behold you would be wearing lycra bike clothes.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

187 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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otolith said:
It's probably a fair observation that people who take whatever they are doing a bit too seriously are more likely to buy all the kit, but it doesn't follow that all the kit = miserable git.
People who take what they are doing seriously may do so because they enjoy it. Also just because someone is working hard and so not grinning doesn't mean that they don't enjoy it.

I think this guy either just says things to provoke a response or he really is a clueless idiot.

kiseca

9,339 posts

218 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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jmorgan said:
Lycra! No, no , just no. There is only so much the eye can stand and middle aged+ pie abusers do not allow the eye to recover. All major road accidents are after the drivers has seen the lycra, that is a fact. It is wrong on so many levels. If anything is going to be taxed, then the lycra mafia. To the hilt. No one see's any benefit from using it, it causes a hive mind control over cyclists.... some are better than others at resisting it.
The benefits of Lycra:
1) It's skin tight, so in a headwind it's not flapping about in the wind like a sail and slowing you down.
2) The chamois pad in the trousers keeps your arse dry so your 40 mile ride doesn't give you an uncomfortable rash.
3) The trousers are also skintight and don't have a seam running over the crotch so you don't chafe your bits off while maintaining a 90 cadence for two hours. A comfortable saddle makes no difference here.
4) Bright colours so you can be seen easier (I have my doubts that this bit works)
5) It dries incredibly quickly so when you get where you're going you're not wearing wet, sticky clothes.

Cyclists wear lycra because it's practical for cycling and makes cycling more comfortable, and you don't need to be Chris Froom to feel the benefits.

Or you can wear jeans and a t-shirt and running shoes and be slower, more worn out, sweaty and have a rash that makes you walk like a cowboy when you get to the office or wherever....

Motorrad

6,811 posts

186 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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scubadude said:
I challenge you to find a saddle that can be ridden for 100+miles
I'm not saying people shouldn't wear it, merely that they look ridiculous doing so. I don't think for one second any of the spacktards I overtake on the way to the office are doing a hundred plus miles either. A couple of my colleagues feel the need to dress up in their fruity little costumes to do the 10 miles to work. I enjoy laughing at them.

I'll nail my colours to the mast here- I have worn and do wear lycra when on a bicycle and I'm fully aware of what I looked like doing it. On that occasion I was spending 2 weeks in the saddle on a touring holiday of the Pyrenees. In conjunction with ball wax I can report everything was fine.

Edited by Motorrad on Wednesday 4th March 16:07

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Devil2575 said:
otolith said:
It's probably a fair observation that people who take whatever they are doing a bit too seriously are more likely to buy all the kit, but it doesn't follow that all the kit = miserable git.
People who take what they are doing seriously may do so because they enjoy it. Also just because someone is working hard and so not grinning doesn't mean that they don't enjoy it.

I think this guy either just says things to provoke a response or he really is a clueless idiot.
As I never get a reaction from you it must be the latter. rofl


jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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kiseca said:
jmorgan said:
Lycra! No, no , just no. There is only so much the eye can stand and middle aged+ pie abusers do not allow the eye to recover. All major road accidents are after the drivers has seen the lycra, that is a fact. It is wrong on so many levels. If anything is going to be taxed, then the lycra mafia. To the hilt. No one see's any benefit from using it, it causes a hive mind control over cyclists.... some are better than others at resisting it.
The benefits of Lycra:
1) It's skin tight, so in a headwind it's not flapping about in the wind like a sail and slowing you down.
2) The chamois pad in the trousers keeps your arse dry so your 40 mile ride doesn't give you an uncomfortable rash.
3) The trousers are also skintight and don't have a seam running over the crotch so you don't chafe your bits off while maintaining a 90 cadence for two hours. A comfortable saddle makes no difference here.
4) Bright colours so you can be seen easier (I have my doubts that this bit works)
5) It dries incredibly quickly so when you get where you're going you're not wearing wet, sticky clothes.

Cyclists wear lycra because it's practical for cycling and makes cycling more comfortable, and you don't need to be Chris Froom to feel the benefits.

Or you can wear jeans and a t-shirt and running shoes and be slower, more worn out, sweaty and have a rash that makes you walk like a cowboy when you get to the office or wherever....
Justify it all you want, it ain't natural..........

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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jmorgan said:
kiseca said:
jmorgan said:
Lycra! No, no , just no. There is only so much the eye can stand and middle aged+ pie abusers do not allow the eye to recover. All major road accidents are after the drivers has seen the lycra, that is a fact. It is wrong on so many levels. If anything is going to be taxed, then the lycra mafia. To the hilt. No one see's any benefit from using it, it causes a hive mind control over cyclists.... some are better than others at resisting it.
The benefits of Lycra:
1) It's skin tight, so in a headwind it's not flapping about in the wind like a sail and slowing you down.
2) The chamois pad in the trousers keeps your arse dry so your 40 mile ride doesn't give you an uncomfortable rash.
3) The trousers are also skintight and don't have a seam running over the crotch so you don't chafe your bits off while maintaining a 90 cadence for two hours. A comfortable saddle makes no difference here.
4) Bright colours so you can be seen easier (I have my doubts that this bit works)
5) It dries incredibly quickly so when you get where you're going you're not wearing wet, sticky clothes.

Cyclists wear lycra because it's practical for cycling and makes cycling more comfortable, and you don't need to be Chris Froom to feel the benefits.

Or you can wear jeans and a t-shirt and running shoes and be slower, more worn out, sweaty and have a rash that makes you walk like a cowboy when you get to the office or wherever....
Justify it all you want, it ain't natural..........
Tell you what, how about you come out on a ride with some of us? I bet you'd be happy to borrow someone else's shorts long before we're home...

Freddy88FM

Original Poster:

474 posts

133 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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jmorgan said:
Justify it all you want, it ain't natural..........
Neither is driving wink

jmorgan

36,010 posts

283 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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WinstonWolf said:
Tell you what, how about you come out on a ride with some of us? I bet you'd be happy to borrow someone else's shorts long before we're home...
Never!

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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jmorgan said:
WinstonWolf said:
Tell you what, how about you come out on a ride with some of us? I bet you'd be happy to borrow someone else's shorts long before we're home...
Never!
You say that now, but when the seam of your pants has worn a hole in your gentleman's region you'll understand, nay, beg for Lycra biggrin

Mave

8,208 posts

214 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Finlandia said:
It's not the same though, there would be no outcry if drivers got fined for doing double or more the speed limit, well some would, but you get the picture smile
If you are unable to judge your speed roughly to keep it at the posted 10mph limit, then maybe you should get a GPS speedo or an app for your mobile that shows your speed, or cycle elsewhere.
I think you've missed my point. I suspect there would be an outcry if motorists were given speeding tickets when they weren't speeding. So why be surprised if cyclists get annoyed about being given a speeding ticket when they weren't speeding?

Devil2575

13,400 posts

187 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Johnnytheboy said:
As I never get a reaction from you it must be the latter. rofl
I thought so. You don't seem very clever to be fair biggrin

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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irked just did a quick scoot across town in normal shorts, twisted a bk yikes and *that's* why you should wear Lycra...

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Mr Gear said:
Johnnytheboy said:
In my experience, people who wear or carry activity-specific clothing or equipment seem to be the ones who don't look very happy about the activity they are performing, be it cycling, jogging, country walking, whatever.

Your comment explains this!
I LOVE cycling! The fact that it irritates idiots when I'm doing it is merely a bonus.
biggrin

It's funny because most car drivers seem really fed up all the time, cycling is amazing. Good 2hrs chasing Owls tonight, middle of the countryside, full moon. Meanwhile 'Jeremy' in accounts drove home had a couple of beers and bhes relentlessly about how stty his day went smile

Finlandia

7,803 posts

230 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Mave said:
Finlandia said:
It's not the same though, there would be no outcry if drivers got fined for doing double or more the speed limit, well some would, but you get the picture smile
If you are unable to judge your speed roughly to keep it at the posted 10mph limit, then maybe you should get a GPS speedo or an app for your mobile that shows your speed, or cycle elsewhere.
I think you've missed my point. I suspect there would be an outcry if motorists were given speeding tickets when they weren't speeding. So why be surprised if cyclists get annoyed about being given a speeding ticket when they weren't speeding?
Then we are back to 'don't take the piss and you won't get in trouble'.

It may not be against the law, but it's not big and clever either, and it looks like someone has had enough of it or there wouldn't have been any speed checks.


funkyrobot

18,789 posts

227 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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WinstonWolf said:
irked just did a quick scoot across town in normal shorts, twisted a bk yikes and *that's* why you should wear Lycra...
I think I saw it on the floor outside Sainsbury's.

smile