The 'cyclists should pay road tax' folks
Discussion
It will be necessary to replace lost motoring taxes, but I can't see cycling being chosen as the activity to penalise. It's not something anyone reasonable wants to discourage, quite the opposite. More likely to be made up from increases in income taxes, purchase taxes or environmental taxes.
Finlandia said:
I think it will, at some point, the more people take to cycling, the more injuries there will be and the less money there will be in the state wallet from all motor taxes.
So why are we still issuing driving licences? the more people who drive, the busier the roads, the more accidents and fatalities, the greater the burden on hospitals, highway maintenance..... pablo said:
Finlandia said:
I think it will, at some point, the more people take to cycling, the more injuries there will be and the less money there will be in the state wallet from all motor taxes.
So why are we still issuing driving licences? the more people who drive, the busier the roads, the more accidents and fatalities, the greater the burden on hospitals, highway maintenance..... I don't know about the UK, but in Sweden more and more youngsters are jumping the licence.
Finlandia said:
pablo said:
Finlandia said:
I think it will, at some point, the more people take to cycling, the more injuries there will be and the less money there will be in the state wallet from all motor taxes.
So why are we still issuing driving licences? the more people who drive, the busier the roads, the more accidents and fatalities, the greater the burden on hospitals, highway maintenance..... I don't know about the UK, but in Sweden more and more youngsters are jumping the licence.
I notice that many moan about cyclists not paying VED etc blah blah blah don't seem to moan about the many cars that also don't pay much or any at all.....
The horrid Prius and all the other hybrid stuff?!
I've no problems with more cyclists using the roads, all I'd like to see is a level playing field in the Insurance/Fault areas where they can cause damage/injury but still be classed as non-fault.
It wouldn't necessarily need to be compulsory, just marketed by Insurers for large urban areas like London to start. See where it goes.
The horrid Prius and all the other hybrid stuff?!
I've no problems with more cyclists using the roads, all I'd like to see is a level playing field in the Insurance/Fault areas where they can cause damage/injury but still be classed as non-fault.
It wouldn't necessarily need to be compulsory, just marketed by Insurers for large urban areas like London to start. See where it goes.
toddygti said:
all I'd like to see is a level playing field in the Insurance/Fault areas where they can cause damage/injury but still be classed as non-fault.
There are some countries in which there is an automatic presumption of non-fault on the part of the cyclist unless proven otherwise, but the UK is not one of them. The cyclist does not have to be insured, but he does remain personally liable for any damage he causes.otolith said:
There are some countries in which there is an automatic presumption of non-fault on the part of the cyclist unless proven otherwise, but the UK is not one of them. The cyclist does not have to be insured, but he does remain personally liable for any damage he causes.
Germany being one. My sister lived there for a few years and it hasn't lead to the death and destruction that some on here prophesize it would if introduced in the UK. pablo said:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http:/...
Chart 3 - Approx 75% of people whose commute to work is 2 to 5 miles use a car....
These arent van drivers who need to take tools etc with them, they are mostly peope who work in retail or regular offices and I appreciate that some will combine the commute with a school run or something but my commute runs parallel to the Bristol ring road and I see a lot of sole occupancy cars as traffic crawls... once past the suburban area, traffic thins out and moves quicker.....
This drives me mad - I work with a bloke who often moans about having 'being held up by cyclists' on his drive in. He lives about three miles from the office, and drives straight here (no school drop-off, no kit to carry). I usually cycle in from about six miles out and even over that distance, which includes a good few miles of semi-rural NSL before I hit town, I'm comfortably quicker than cars to the city centre due to the traffic. So it's clear that it's not cyclists that are holding him up (I don't see all that many), it's other cars/vans etc. Now obviously some of those people will genuinely need to drive - all well and good - but I bet my bottom dollar that a large proportion of them are just lazy Johnny-one-in-a-cars, exactly the same as him. Try telling him this, though, and his flabby face turns an alarming shade of puce as he blurts out the usual bChart 3 - Approx 75% of people whose commute to work is 2 to 5 miles use a car....
These arent van drivers who need to take tools etc with them, they are mostly peope who work in retail or regular offices and I appreciate that some will combine the commute with a school run or something but my commute runs parallel to the Bristol ring road and I see a lot of sole occupancy cars as traffic crawls... once past the suburban area, traffic thins out and moves quicker.....
ks about road tax and red light jumping.
Finlandia said:
funkyrobot said:
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
no matter how much you quiver your lip.
What is your problem, can't you act in a civilised manner?funkyrobot said:
Finlandia said:
funkyrobot said:
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
no matter how much you quiver your lip.
What is your problem, can't you act in a civilised manner?Finlandia said:
funkyrobot said:
Finlandia said:
funkyrobot said:
Finlandia said:
WinstonWolf said:
no matter how much you quiver your lip.
What is your problem, can't you act in a civilised manner?t.Hi there, are you losing an argument?, why not change the subject with our handy subject-changing guide or maybe claim offence at some mild insult, you could also try to steer the debate onto grammar, all of these handy hints are available in our "Help!, I'm losing an argument" guide just £3.99 from all good bookshops...
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