Small engines in large cars
Discussion
Whilst browsing for a new vehicle I've come across examples like this:
If i'm correct, it's a Skoda Octavia with a 1.2 engine.
Reviews seem to conclude that this combination works. However, is this just favouritism by the reviewers or does this package actually make sense?
I know there are other examples (Ford with a small petrol in a Focus etc), so do these packages actually work? Or is it a 'more value for your money' sort of thing?
If i'm correct, it's a Skoda Octavia with a 1.2 engine.
Reviews seem to conclude that this combination works. However, is this just favouritism by the reviewers or does this package actually make sense?
I know there are other examples (Ford with a small petrol in a Focus etc), so do these packages actually work? Or is it a 'more value for your money' sort of thing?
Ford have just put the 1.0 Ecoboost in the Mondeo. Reviews i've seen so far are a little under-whelmed, saying the 1.6 diesel is still the better option, although more costly.
The performance for the Octavia isn't bad at all, 10.5 secs to 60 versus 12 for the Mondeo. Quite surprising since the Skoda has 105bhp compared to the Mondeo's 123bhp. Perhaps it's down the the Octavia's lightweight MQB architecture.
The performance for the Octavia isn't bad at all, 10.5 secs to 60 versus 12 for the Mondeo. Quite surprising since the Skoda has 105bhp compared to the Mondeo's 123bhp. Perhaps it's down the the Octavia's lightweight MQB architecture.
It will be a pretty highly stressed turbo unit.
The Octavia is already the pinnacle of motoring for spend thrift monotonous types. So low tax and higher MPG in an Octavia will really get them hard.
The Octavia is already the pinnacle of motoring for spend thrift monotonous types. So low tax and higher MPG in an Octavia will really get them hard.
Edited by BuzzBravado on Friday 6th March 08:54
Edited by BuzzBravado on Friday 6th March 08:54
Friend of mine has recently bought a 13 plate Focus with the 1.0 Ecoboost.
It's not fast, but a perfectly capable unit for the car and he's happy with it. But as someone said, I imagine that it's quite highly strung and turbo charged - I perhaps wouldn't want to own one a few years down the line when the warranty has expired...
It's not fast, but a perfectly capable unit for the car and he's happy with it. But as someone said, I imagine that it's quite highly strung and turbo charged - I perhaps wouldn't want to own one a few years down the line when the warranty has expired...
Is that not the same engine they put in the VW Touran.. 1.2 tsi?
A bigger car weighting about 300kg more?
We have an 06 140bhp 2.0 diesel touran, and I really wouldn't want anything less. Gonna cause a problem soon as the wife wants to change it and the budget won't run to getting the same again but 5 years newer.
A bigger car weighting about 300kg more?
We have an 06 140bhp 2.0 diesel touran, and I really wouldn't want anything less. Gonna cause a problem soon as the wife wants to change it and the budget won't run to getting the same again but 5 years newer.
Its the power you need to look at it. The latest 1.2 TSI is 110PS which is the as you'd get from an N/A or diesel 1.6
The other benefit is the turbo tends to mean lots of low down torque which makes them quite easy to drive.
This trend started nearly 10 years ago with the VW Golf GT using a 1.4 TSI 170 engine, and the problems those have suffered aren't really related to them been 'stressed', more just poor quality components (timing chains etc).
The other benefit is the turbo tends to mean lots of low down torque which makes them quite easy to drive.
This trend started nearly 10 years ago with the VW Golf GT using a 1.4 TSI 170 engine, and the problems those have suffered aren't really related to them been 'stressed', more just poor quality components (timing chains etc).
This trend for small but highly tuned engines is good - they are much nicer to drive than the old wheezy small NASP engines you used to get in humdrum cars. As a previous poster has said you need to look at the power output rather than the displacement.
One that does spring to mind is the 1.6D (115bhp?) Volvo sold/sell in a V70 or S80. That's a BIG car and in the case of the estate is liable to have a extra 500+ KG in it when you put 4 people and their crap in. The only 140bhp NASP 2.4i car was a slug so god alone knows what that must be like. That engine is barely adequate in a Focus.
One that does spring to mind is the 1.6D (115bhp?) Volvo sold/sell in a V70 or S80. That's a BIG car and in the case of the estate is liable to have a extra 500+ KG in it when you put 4 people and their crap in. The only 140bhp NASP 2.4i car was a slug so god alone knows what that must be like. That engine is barely adequate in a Focus.
grimmac said:
Is that not the same engine they put in the VW Touran.. 1.2 tsi?
A bigger car weighting about 300kg more?
We have an 06 140bhp 2.0 diesel touran, and I really wouldn't want anything less. Gonna cause a problem soon as the wife wants to change it and the budget won't run to getting the same again but 5 years newer.
My fiancee drove a newish Polo 1.2 the other week. She currently has an 03 1.4 and she said that she noticed the difference (she pootles around normally). The salesman was hell bent on selling her a 1.0 or a 1.2, but she won't change for a smaller engine unless she finds one that feels like her current one.A bigger car weighting about 300kg more?
We have an 06 140bhp 2.0 diesel touran, and I really wouldn't want anything less. Gonna cause a problem soon as the wife wants to change it and the budget won't run to getting the same again but 5 years newer.
I don't know if this is a direct comparison though as I don't know if the Polo 1.0 and 1.2 have a turbo on.
BritishRacinGrin said:
A small turbocharged engine can make the same power and torque as a large naturally aspirated one, return better fuel economy and deliver peak torque lower in the rev range making them more comfortable to drive. This is not a new trend.
They also don't last as long and have many more parts to failEasternlight said:
I think Soda also do the Superb with a 1.4
Greenline spec for even more thrift.
That's a petrol 1.4 with 148bhp which is luxury next to the 1.6 diesel Greenline with 118bhp and under 100g carbon so no tax (no torque figures in the article though) . Hmmm, one of those as an estate with a full boot, going up a hill http://m.whatcar.com/car-news/2015-skoda-superb-re...Greenline spec for even more thrift.
va1o said:
Its the power you need to look at it. The latest 1.2 TSI is 110PS which is the as you'd get from an N/A or diesel 1.6
The other benefit is the turbo tends to mean lots of low down torque which makes them quite easy to drive.
This trend started nearly 10 years ago with the VW Golf GT using a 1.4 TSI 170 engine, and the problems those have suffered aren't really related to them been 'stressed', more just poor quality components (timing chains etc).
Good point re the power.The other benefit is the turbo tends to mean lots of low down torque which makes them quite easy to drive.
This trend started nearly 10 years ago with the VW Golf GT using a 1.4 TSI 170 engine, and the problems those have suffered aren't really related to them been 'stressed', more just poor quality components (timing chains etc).
However, the stress level of the engine using that power does concern me. I guess we'll only have long term info as time progresses.
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