RE: Shed Of The Week: Alfa GTV

RE: Shed Of The Week: Alfa GTV

Friday 6th March 2015

Shed Of The Week: Alfa GTV

A long pros list, a long cons list and an alluringly cheap price for this Twin Spark GTV



History is littered with examples of stuff being sold off surprisingly cheaply. Shed is no more interested in politics than he is in ladies' underwear, but even he can be provoked into dark mutterings when subjects such as the Post Office, Eurostar, and Britain's power industry come up in the conversation.

In the world of motors, the first emotion brought on by a suspiciously low car asking price is, perhaps understandably, suspicion. A lot of the time, buying jitters are understandable.

Let's agree on one thing - it's very pretty
Let's agree on one thing - it's very pretty
But then there are other times when you just have to swallow your fear and take things at face value. This could be one of those times.

It's impossible to overstate the excitement of the Alfa GTV launch back in 1995. The Kamm-tail look shell was designed by Pininfarina. The sumptuous insides were crafted by Walter de Silva. Not only was it sexy, it handled beautifully and had great engines. Autocar instantly crowned it Car of the Year. Bruno Cena was crowned Engineer of the Year. And Shed believes that Felicity Kendal might have been crowned Rear of the Year round about then.

Now you can get one, a GTV that is, for £750 or less, complete with 'private' (anybody know what that means?) numberplate.

(Health warning: if you feel you might in any way be susceptible to Alfa madness, look away now and read about Geneva or something instead, or risk being lured onto the rocks.)

Are they rocks, though? It's fair to say that Alfa Romeo doesn't have the sort of reliability reputation you'd bet your hutch on, let alone your house. But just because a family has a dodgy rep, it doesn't necessarily mean that every scrap of dodgy DNA is passed undiluted on to each new generation. Admittedly, in 2001 - the year that this GTV was new - Alfa came bottom out of 22 marques ranked by Motor Warranty Direct. By 2002, things had improved: Alfa had shot up to next to bottom. By 2004 it had zoomed out of the relegation zone up to, erm, fourth from bottom.

Not a V6, but the TS is not without appeal
Not a V6, but the TS is not without appeal
14 years on, warranties are a distant memory. Any model-specific issues have long been identified and sussed out. Now it's just about ongoing management - and that's an entirely realistic proposition.

The last GTV Shed we had was back in October '13, a dark blue 2000 model 3.0 V6. It had high miles (161,000), baggy suspension and an uncertain cambelt prognosis. Nevertheless, the owner reported 100 per cent reliability. This one here is a different kettle of calamari. For a start, it's the 2.0-litre Twin Spark, which like the V6 is a fine engine but in a different way. For a start, it revs like a swine. It is also considerably lighter than the six. This reduces the tendency of the GTV's front end to push straight on in corners, and of course is kinder to the front suspension, a known GTV weakness.

If you're the kind of person that's attracted by activities such as base jumping, bear-baiting and bare-knuckle boxing, you won't bother doing the belts and tensioners long before the recommended 72K interval. Sensible folk will maybe halve that. This car's belt was changed three years ago, so the door that leads into the corridor of uncertainty on that one is just starting to creak open.

Only drivers who fit the Italian build need apply
Only drivers who fit the Italian build need apply
2.0 Twin Sparks have been known to suffer from oil starvation, most likely from oil pump failure. That's a hard one to guard against. You'll know it when it happens, though. There'll be a bit of a bang, followed by a quiet whimper from an area about three feet above the driver's seat.

Aluminium suspension is a wonderful thing when it's new, but not so good when the bolts holding it on have enwidened their holes. If it has this problem, a four-wheel alignment won't stop it chewing through tyres. Polyflexing the back end (which isn't rose-jointed on the 2.0) is one way to stave off subframe erosion.

Those classic alloys can be a bit soft too, confirmed in this case by the owner's refurb suggestion. Obviously the electrics are, well, Italian. Immobilisers, central locking, random lights, all these and more can play up. If it's a Friday afternoon car you can add rubbish door seals. Rads are fragile too.

GTVs aren't massively practical. If you thought Italian drivers had short legs, you'll find that Italian passengers are even more afflicted when you get in the back. Make sure you've got your mobile with you in case you need to call for assistance. Boot space is literally that, one pair of boots and it's full.

£750 and a GTV reg? Bargain!
£750 and a GTV reg? Bargain!
On the plus side, all the keys are present and correct, a potential money-saver. Most importantly, a looked-after example will drive as well as it looks. That Tipo platform was a good'n. With just 88K miles covered, there's every reason to think that there'll be some juice left in the chassis, and not too much dulling of the sublimely quick steering with which every sporting Alfa from the mid-90s has been blessed.

The officially-acknowledged Most Boring Man in Britain was on the radio the other day talking about his speciality, the history of manhole covers. Some of it was actually quite interesting. And did you know that the price of a dairy cow is around £1,000?

This is nothing to do with anything. It's just a distraction to try and help Alfa madmen. Call it a public service.


Epilogue: Unfortunately as sometimes happens with Shed between processing this story yesterday afternoon and publication this morning the featured GTV has sold. If you're feeling brave there's another 2.0 TwinSpark for £500 here...


Here's the ad for the featured car.

Well cared for GTV 2.0 Twin Spark Lusso with full main dealer and specialist service history. Original stamped service book, receipts and handbooks. New cambelt and clutch fitted 2012, four new tyres and wheel alignment December 2014. MOT until end of September 2015. Recent purchase of a convertible means I have to reluctantly sell.
Comes with personal plate F2GTV, three orginal keys, two working remote locking fobs,a master key and the key code card.
This GTV is a Lusso so it has the 16" alloys and full Momo leather interior, including door cards and dash. All four seats are unmarked and look new.
There are some small stone chips on the bonnet, two minor parking scuffs, and the alloys could do with refurbishing, hence the very reasonable asking price. With a bit of attention this could be a great car for a relatively small amount of money.
A bit of a bargain. Cash only.

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Crapgame

Original Poster:

32 posts

114 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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An Alfa GTV for under a bag of sand! really is there anymore stylish a way to wave the money of. I say yes knowing it will go pete tong!

(wayhay for typing and not looking at the thread title.. ><)

The Don of Croy

5,992 posts

159 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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"Boot space is literally that..."

- thanks for that. And you're almost 20 years out on 'rear of the year'.

Nice car, shame it sold.

J4CKO

41,487 posts

200 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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Like it !

Johnspex

4,342 posts

184 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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It's sold.

Johnspex

4,342 posts

184 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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Johnspex said:
It's sold.
Dam'n. Didn't see the previous "it's sold".

tribbleslayer

9 posts

143 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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All cars can have their reliability problems - yet we are on to Fiat Number 4 (A Panda 100hp) and Alfa number 4 (a 3.0GTV). Ok, the Alfa has morphed into a weekend / fair weather car for much of the winter, but we've had it 5 years now, with no issues to speak of. It's been all around the UK + several Highland trips (we are in the NW of Scotland)..... never let us down yet. It's fast, fun, lovely to look at.....and was fantastic value for money even 5 years back, never mind now. Great machines!

B'stard Child

28,371 posts

246 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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My brother had one in twin spark format - it didn't break him financially so he traded it it for a chrome bumper 1.8 MG BGT.... I think that tried harder to break him!!

Love the looks but am I the only one who thinks it should have been designed with a removable hard top - the lines always make me think that's what they should have done

mikal83

5,340 posts

252 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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I after a cheapp ragtop version............in red!

JamesMK

556 posts

251 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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I want one!

ianwayne

6,283 posts

268 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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They've been this price for a while. I went to look at an R reg one 2 years ago that was on ebay.

Had quite a whine form the engine bay which I think was pulley bearings. Had the leather interior though which is lovely on these. I was outbid on it but it went for under a grand.

The MK 2 ones like this look nicer I think, because they have fully painted bodies rather than the tatty black vinyl sill covers on the earlier ones.

iloveboost

1,531 posts

162 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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'so the door that leads into the corridor of uncertainty on that one is just starting to creak open.'
I'd like you to write all articles in the style of a thriller. biggrin
Good shed, but for that reason I'd prefer a chain cam engine, or a belt one with at least a few years left. I don't know why everybody can't 'do a Ford' and make them last 100K miles/10 years.

MadDog1962

890 posts

162 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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Top shedding. Well worth the risks.

I always fancied one back in the day.

JamieH2304

6 posts

114 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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On the face of it, thats a bargain. Others can be had for this price but are typically far worse examples.

All the more of a bargain when you look at this at the other end of the Twin Spark GTV scale. OK its a top example in for auction but you could be driving similar for very little outlay.

http://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2015-03...

AC43

11,473 posts

208 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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One of the sweetest and most tuneful 4 pots known to mankind.


fezst

234 posts

124 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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Always thought these were just plain ugly getmecoat

dbdb

4,324 posts

173 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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My brother bought one of the first ones imported - a red Spider Lusso, with black leather interior. It was too early for the very attractive Momo seats fitted to this one. We went to the launch of the car and he liked it so much he bought one there and then.

It was a lovely car with beautiful styling which made it feel more special than its underpinnings gave it any right to. They are one of those cars which make you feel good, just by sitting in it.

It was tremendously fragile though and he had a lot of trouble with it. It went back to the dealer quite a few times. A fast trip to Scotland saw something fail in the rear suspension, which is disappointing in a six month old car. Much as he liked it, he'd had enough as he no longer fully trusted it to be reliable and traded it in for a BMW 328i convertible (black with saffron leather). That was also a lovely car, though very different in feel; more 'grown up', but less charismatic.

He still has a fondness for the Alfa no matter its faults; they're like that. They have a character to them which makes forgiveness easy and natural.

dbdb

4,324 posts

173 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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fezst said:
Always thought these were just plain ugly getmecoat
I think they are very pretty cars. They're striking and unusual too - rather like your Z3 2.8 which is a car I also think has beautiful styling. It is refreshing in a world of very similar cars.

Iamnotkloot

1,423 posts

147 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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I like these. Had a 3.0 V6 and it was a characterful thing. Pretty reliable too though the maintenance to keep it tip top soon added up.
But the four pot? Nah, the recommendation is 36000 miles for the belt (half that of the V6) or every 3 years and that is a costly PITA. My brother didn't do his at 3 years and at, oooh about 3 years and one day, it let go and so did his engine. Bye bye.
But at that price? Go on then......
Edited: of course it's sold now.

Guvernator

13,143 posts

165 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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fezst said:
Always thought these were just plain ugly getmecoat
Have to agree, I really don't get the love for these. Cracking engines, especially in v6 form but it just looks awkward from almost every angle to me.

TA14

12,722 posts

258 months

Friday 6th March 2015
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article said:
For a start, it's the 2.0-litre Twin Spark, which like the V6 is a fine engine but in a different way. For a start, it revs like a swine. It is also considerably lighter than the six. This reduces the tendency of the GTV's front end to push straight on in corners, and of course is kinder to the front suspension, a known GTV weakness.
I notice that this has been repeated a lot since it was mentioned on Top Gear and I knew that it would come up again. The difference is about 35 to 40 kg in 1,400 kg or about 2% in weight distribution and a fair whack of that is due to the larger wheels that are on the V6 model so ball park about 1% weight distribution change due to the engine, 1.5% max. In the PH land of driving gods this may make all the difference but not to most of us and the benefits of the V6 far outweigh your 1 and a bit per cent weight distribution cornering advantage.