RE: Delivery miles: Hot hatch bargains
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Pixelpeep7r said:
emicen said:
Nismo Joke at 20 grand, bargain.
Put down the glue and back away from the keyboard.
oh give it a fPut down the glue and back away from the keyboard.
king rest will you lot. Do some research - its HOW MUCH STUFF COSTS NOW!Here's a couple of clues; I didnt say anything about the prices of any of the other hot hatches, the second word in my statement wasnt an autocorrect.
Someone wants to spend £30k on a new CTR, batter in, I have a friend about to pull the trigger on one. Golf R, same. Dropping north of £20k on a Joke because they slapped some red stripes, bucket seats and "racing heritage" twaddle on it, can only really be attributed to substance abuse.
J4CKO said:
17 grand in 2001 versus inflation to now puts it at an equivalent of 25 grand, based on,
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1...
I am not a big fan of Nurburgring times as a measure, but it is almost a minute quicker, 8.47 for the 2001 model, 7.50 for the new one.
in which case the three cars i listed above are even better value than the type-r was in 2001 !http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1...
I am not a big fan of Nurburgring times as a measure, but it is almost a minute quicker, 8.47 for the 2001 model, 7.50 for the new one.
Pixelpeep7r said:
hotchy said:
the last type R was only 15k.
No, it wasn'tit was £15,995 in 2001 (16,995 if you wanted AC)
2001?! it is now 2014
THAT WAS THIRTEEN YEARS AGO!!!
fuel was 83.5p per litre back then too.
You are being conned into thinking this is normal
Remagel2507 said:
Anyone know what colour that VXR is ? Advert says blue but Vauxhall only offer one shade of blue for the VXR and it definitely isn't that
The blue on that car is 'buzz blue' which is new this year along with a horrid green. The blue you used to see on many vxr cars was called arden blue and is no longer.
Gandahar said:
It's not proper noise, its piped in via a tube or something and Kraftwerk were employed to make it sound good. Apparently.
Hopefully you will be on autosport live forum at 1.30am for first FP1 for Oz so I can talk further.
I've got the burgers in for FP1 and bacon for FP2 which is breakfast of course. First one of the year. See you later.
Hello andy Hopefully you will be on autosport live forum at 1.30am for first FP1 for Oz so I can talk further.
I've got the burgers in for FP1 and bacon for FP2 which is breakfast of course. First one of the year. See you later.
FP1 might be a bit of a struggle but I'll be around at some point. Yes fake noise in the M but I understand it can be turned down and in any case you can hear engine/exhaust. Either way it sounds better than the golf.
ETA: as far as the whole "they are too expensive now" thing goes. My astra was 16k in 2007, according to inflation calculators that's around 19k in today's money. The equivalent new Astra would be about £25k, maybe a touch more. So based on that alone (not very scientific I agree) the car prices have gone up by 3 times inflation.
Edited by Crafty_ on Thursday 12th March 13:31
Edited by Crafty_ on Thursday 12th March 13:53
vxsmithers said:
Pixelpeep7r said:
hotchy said:
the last type R was only 15k.
No, it wasn'tit was £15,995 in 2001 (16,995 if you wanted AC)
2001?! it is now 2014
THAT WAS THIRTEEN YEARS AGO!!!
fuel was 83.5p per litre back then too.
You are being conned into thinking this is normal
Do you mean £14k for an Ep3 in 2004?
If that is the case then it would be just short of £20k brand new, 3 years after launch, for a car with so little options and 200bhp, I would say that price would be too high to compete with the Fiesta ST which is the area it would be in.
The new car after discounts will more than likely be available for £25-28k fully loaded 3 years after it comes out which is a fair price considering the extra power, and equipment.
Pixelpeep7r said:
simundo777 said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Who needs a hot hatch? I've just purchased a brand new MX5 (the existing NC model) nav-tech sport 2.0 for £16200.
Even if your financing they're offering large contributions and 0% free credit.
Because an MX5 is not "hot" in the slightest. Even if your financing they're offering large contributions and 0% free credit.
However, in the interests of pistonheads I have answered a couple of questions brought up in the ensuing frothing;
"£20k?????!!!!!!"
&
"Front wheel drive??????!!!!!!"
If you wish, you can get your little rwd sports car for almost 25% less. Brand new
billy939 said:
vxsmithers said:
Pixelpeep7r said:
hotchy said:
the last type R was only 15k.
No, it wasn'tit was £15,995 in 2001 (16,995 if you wanted AC)
2001?! it is now 2014
THAT WAS THIRTEEN YEARS AGO!!!
fuel was 83.5p per litre back then too.
You are being conned into thinking this is normal
Do you mean £14k for an Ep3 in 2004?
If that is the case then it would be just short of £20k brand new, 3 years after launch, for a car with so little options and 200bhp, I would say that price would be too high to compete with the Fiesta ST which is the area it would be in.
The new car after discounts will more than likely be available for £25-28k fully loaded 3 years after it comes out which is a fair price considering the extra power, and equipment.
vxsmithers said:
Pixelpeep7r said:
hotchy said:
the last type R was only 15k.
No, it wasn'tit was £15,995 in 2001 (16,995 if you wanted AC)
2001?! it is now 2014
THAT WAS THIRTEEN YEARS AGO!!!
fuel was 83.5p per litre back then too.
You are being conned into thinking this is normal
The new car is loaded with stuff that the EP3 didn't have, not to mention the increased costs of meeting modern safety regs, emissions requirements, matching German (perceived) build quality and more importantly it's performance is in a completely different league. I bet with the amount of testing and pissing around they have been doing at the ring for the last 3 years, they are probably selling them at a loss for £30K.
Yes it's more expensive, but it's more car!
My dad bought an Escort RS Turbo Custom new in 1985. It cost £ 10,000. With inflation that now equates to £ 28,000. But now you get a lot more for the money when taking the inflation factor into account.
He went on and bought a 1987 911 Carrera Sport in 1990 for £ 33,000 - in today's money that's over £70,000.
He went on and bought a 1987 911 Carrera Sport in 1990 for £ 33,000 - in today's money that's over £70,000.
Never mind all this inflation rubbish, £30k is still £30k, i.e. a lot of money in most peoples books to blow on a hot hatch. Consider that the average wage in the UK is around £26k a year and you can see why there is a lot of talk of cars being too expensive these days. Put it this way, if someone said go out and put £30k of your hard earned cash on a car, I am sure many would baulk at the idea.
However no one actually buys cars outright any more, they just rent them. As the article amply demonstrates, ultra low interest rates and massaged PCP figures mean people on average salaries can "afford" £30k cars because it's not really £30k you are chucking at it, it's "only" £300 a month, this is why manufacturers are able to put the prices up and still sell cars.
Having said all that, I'm rather sad in that I don't actually desire ANY of the cars mentioned in the article. Yes they may all have lots of horsepower and come loaded with toys but none of them excites me. Sleep inducing VAG products, the underachieving GT86\BRZ, the pig ugly BMW (yes even the facelift) and offerings from Ford and Vauxhall, no thanks. The only one to get close in looks and driving fun is the Renault but even that has issues as A) It's a Renault and B) It only comes as a 3 door which severely restricts it's practicality as a family hatchback. In short, despite the fact that a hot hatch would suit my current family car needs down to the ground, there isn't a single one on sale today that would make me part with my hard earned £30k (sorry £300 a month )
However no one actually buys cars outright any more, they just rent them. As the article amply demonstrates, ultra low interest rates and massaged PCP figures mean people on average salaries can "afford" £30k cars because it's not really £30k you are chucking at it, it's "only" £300 a month, this is why manufacturers are able to put the prices up and still sell cars.
Having said all that, I'm rather sad in that I don't actually desire ANY of the cars mentioned in the article. Yes they may all have lots of horsepower and come loaded with toys but none of them excites me. Sleep inducing VAG products, the underachieving GT86\BRZ, the pig ugly BMW (yes even the facelift) and offerings from Ford and Vauxhall, no thanks. The only one to get close in looks and driving fun is the Renault but even that has issues as A) It's a Renault and B) It only comes as a 3 door which severely restricts it's practicality as a family hatchback. In short, despite the fact that a hot hatch would suit my current family car needs down to the ground, there isn't a single one on sale today that would make me part with my hard earned £30k (sorry £300 a month
)IanCress said:
I think list price is becoming less important. These days it's all about the finance details - is there a manufacturer deposit contribution, what GFV will they give on a PCP, what's the best lease deal available etc. Can't imagine many people would actually splash out £30k to buy a Honda Civic outright.
Completely agree. You set yourself a budget on what monthly payments you can afford and what you'll put down up front as a deposit and then bob's your teapot. Obviously there's other contributing factors to take into account but that seems to be the main focus. That's just the general consensus these days. There's no problem with this IMO i might add. I've become a victim to this myself. Pixelpeep7r said:
macky17 said:
Yeah, the issue isn't the current prices v. prices 10-15 years ago - the issue is that you can no longer buy a light, simple, fun, 200bhp hot hatch which the 2001 Civic was. Everything has to be fully-loaded, top spec, germanic build quality, 260+bhp, etc. etc. It's our fault as consumers for being so demanding with our hot hatch requirements.
Question: If Honda miraculously re-released the 2001 Civic at £16k today, would you buy it even at that price? I'm guessing not.
Seriously, has there been a bus load of 'don't do any research' type posters just arrive in this forum?Question: If Honda miraculously re-released the 2001 Civic at £16k today, would you buy it even at that price? I'm guessing not.
Edited by macky17 on Thursday 12th March 12:41
Ford Fiesta ST
Price (new): £16,995
Power output: 180bhp
0-62mph: 6.9sec
Top speed: 137mph
Road tax: £125 a year (at 2013/14 rates)
Fuel economy: 47.9mpg
Mini Coupe Cooper S
Price (new): £19,985
Power output: 184bhp
0-62mph: 6.9sec
Top speed: 143mph
Road tax: £125 a year
Fuel economy: 48.7mpg
Kia Proceed GT
Price (new): £19,995
Power output: 201bhp
0-62mph: 7.4sec
Top speed: 143mph
Road tax: £200 a year
Fuel economy: 38mpg
that should start you off nicely.
Oddball RS said:
Pixelpeep7r said:
macky17 said:
Yeah, the issue isn't the current prices v. prices 10-15 years ago - the issue is that you can no longer buy a light, simple, fun, 200bhp hot hatch which the 2001 Civic was. Everything has to be fully-loaded, top spec, germanic build quality, 260+bhp, etc. etc. It's our fault as consumers for being so demanding with our hot hatch requirements.
Question: If Honda miraculously re-released the 2001 Civic at £16k today, would you buy it even at that price? I'm guessing not.
Seriously, has there been a bus load of 'don't do any research' type posters just arrive in this forum?Question: If Honda miraculously re-released the 2001 Civic at £16k today, would you buy it even at that price? I'm guessing not.
Edited by macky17 on Thursday 12th March 12:41
Ford Fiesta ST
Price (new): £16,995
Power output: 180bhp
0-62mph: 6.9sec
Top speed: 137mph
Road tax: £125 a year (at 2013/14 rates)
Mini Coupe Cooper S
Price (new): £19,985
Power output: 184bhp
0-62mph: 6.9sec
Top speed: 143mph
Road tax: £125 a year
Kia Proceed GT
Price (new): £19,995
Power output: 201bhp
0-62mph: 7.4sec
Top speed: 143mph
Road tax: £200 a year
that should start you off nicely.
Pixelpeep7r said:
You really don't see it do you?
the point is simple. Petrol is still the same petrol. it has no more RON's than it had before.
This car is not the same car!
it has over 100bhp more than the original not to mention all the other improvements, enhancements, development and standard equipment that wasn't even known of back in 2001
My computer today is far faster, has more features and standard equipment than in 2001 too.the point is simple. Petrol is still the same petrol. it has no more RON's than it had before.
This car is not the same car!
it has over 100bhp more than the original not to mention all the other improvements, enhancements, development and standard equipment that wasn't even known of back in 2001
Ok, there's a difference between silicon and tonnes of metal, but at least some of the improvement is just 'progress' and not really chargeable as such.
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