RE: Hypercar training programmes compared!
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Yes it is. A 1.6 TDCI Focus will do exactly the same as a C63 AMG on the road, carry as much, do the speed limit and be almost as nice to drive. But there are big differences between them.
A radical SR8 does 0-60 in 2.8s, FXX, 2.44. That's a yawning gulf at that level. And as extream as the radical is, the FXXs are on a whole other level. Without taking in to account that things like caterham a will keep up with super cars on the road for much less, but that's not the point.
A radical SR8 does 0-60 in 2.8s, FXX, 2.44. That's a yawning gulf at that level. And as extream as the radical is, the FXXs are on a whole other level. Without taking in to account that things like caterham a will keep up with super cars on the road for much less, but that's not the point.
SteveSteveson said:
Yes it is. A 1.6 TDCI Focus will do exactly the same as a C63 AMG on the road, carry as much, do the speed limit and be almost as nice to drive. But there are big differences between them.
A radical SR8 does 0-60 in 2.8s, FXX, 2.44. That's a yawning gulf at that level. And as extream as the radical is, the FXXs are on a whole other level. Without taking in to account that things like caterham a will keep up with super cars on the road for much less, but that's not the point.
Track times are not about 0-60 times. And if you think you can't buy a race car for under 500K that will stomp all over an FXX, I don't know what to say. Heck, for under 700K GBP, you can buy Nigel Mansell's 1990 F1 car . Throw in spare parts and crew, catering, hookers and blow for six track days and call it a million, for a car with real history (6 GP wins), one that will absolutely crush an FXX. Oh, and you can sell it later for even more money without Ferrari whining at you.A radical SR8 does 0-60 in 2.8s, FXX, 2.44. That's a yawning gulf at that level. And as extream as the radical is, the FXXs are on a whole other level. Without taking in to account that things like caterham a will keep up with super cars on the road for much less, but that's not the point.
The problem with the FXX is that it's taking a car with a lot of engineering compromises to be a street car, then adapting it back to the track, then charging an astronomical margin on top. As mentioned, they are cash cows, and Macca and Ferrari are laughing all the way to the bank.
Edited by articulatedj on Friday 13th March 20:02
T0MMY said:
I appreciate that laptimes are not the sole purpose of these hypercars though, I'm just interested.
That is sort of my point. I get that hypercars are different animals when they do street and track work, and they cost more because of it. Once they become dedicated track cars, then they are directly comparable to other race cars. And in that comparison, the FXX loses badly. Another level my arse.And Ferrari will never let the FXX be tested, because they don't want to make it obvious that the emperor has no clothes. That's why they need dedicated Ferrari owners to buy them, so they can keep up the mystique, without anyone ratting them out. And the car community just seems to hoover up the BS about them being "special". Personally, I think a six time GP winner driven by Prost and Mansell is a bit more special, but maybe I'm crazy.
Edited by articulatedj on Friday 13th March 20:17
You might get an ex F1 car for less, but do you have any idea what the running costs are? A bit brakes on an FXX and Ferrari will make a new one, if it is not held in stock. Part brakes on an old GP car? That'll mean machining a whole new part. Never mind the fact that you can turn up, drive your FXX, go home. An Ex race car is not so simple. And anyway, the people in question arn't choosing, many of them race historic race cars, including ex F1 cars. The people buying these cars are not making a financial choice of "is that financially sensible" it is "am I willing to spend that for that" and to them it clearly is.
SteveSteveson said:
You might get an ex F1 car for less, but do you have any idea what the running costs are? A bit brakes on an FXX and Ferrari will make a new one, if it is not held in stock. Part brakes on an old GP car? That'll mean machining a whole new part. Never mind the fact that you can turn up, drive your FXX, go home. An Ex race car is not so simple. And anyway, the people in question arn't choosing, many of them race historic race cars, including ex F1 cars. The people buying these cars are not making a financial choice of "is that financially sensible" it is "am I willing to spend that for that" and to them it clearly is.
There's dozens of Motorsport companies that look after ex f1 cars and bring them to the track for the owner along with a full crew and then take them off again at the end of the dayI'm sure an FXXk is a wonderful car, but as said above, it's hugely compromised as a race car by the fact it's based on a road car. Any F1 car from mid 70's onwards would make it look silly on a race track
I maintain my statement from earlier - the fxxk customers are having their pants pulled down, and are enjoying every minute of it, so good on them as i'm sure they can afford it
I was invited to a Ferrari FXX day a couple of years ago at Yass Island, trust me I didn't see anyone who was driving without a big smile on his face. The 599XX cars were also there and the 'Cliente' ex F1 cars that Ferrari sell to special customers; its basically a Big Boys Toys Club and if you are wealthy enough to afford it then why not, its a great way to spend a few weekends doing something you like with like minded people you know.
Some of the drivers were pretty quick, and some pretty average, but as it's been pointed out Ferrari sell cars to average drivers and seemed value their input, but fundamentally its all about having a bit of fun - and the accommodation, meals and cocktail parties that are put on by Ferrari are pretty generous too - lots of ladies were invited along or you can bring your own if you want - all in all a great way to spend a few days.
Some of the drivers were pretty quick, and some pretty average, but as it's been pointed out Ferrari sell cars to average drivers and seemed value their input, but fundamentally its all about having a bit of fun - and the accommodation, meals and cocktail parties that are put on by Ferrari are pretty generous too - lots of ladies were invited along or you can bring your own if you want - all in all a great way to spend a few days.
daytona365 said:
Very few people in the world can drive these types of cars, to anything like their full potential.
Not that I entirely disagree with your sentiment but really, nobody in the world can drive any car to its full potential. It doesn't mean they won't have fun trying though.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff